4bars
Full Member
- Joined
- Feb 10, 2016
- Messages
- 5,139
- Supports
- Barcelona
There a lot of points of viewCiudadanos won the elections(unionists) and the pro Spain part got more votes (52%) but the electoral law gives proportionally more value to the votes in provinces with not so much population.
For example,to get a seat in the province of Barcelona can cost 60.000 votes and in Lleida/Girona only 40.000.
And since the independentism is strong in the countryside/towns they kept an easy majority.
Ciudadanos has grown a lot in recent years and probably Will continue doing It in the general elections.
Rajoy failed.He should have delayed these elections some more months.Besides the candidate(Albiol) wasn't a very attractive choice.
Now let's see if Puigdemont Will Come back from Belgium.
Today Rovira (candidate of ERC,since Junqueras is in prison) has been also accused of rebellion.
There was a big net of people involved,with police spying to police and politicians
Independentists votes progresssion
9-N 2014: 1.890.000
27-S 2015: 1.970.000
1-0 2017:2.040.000
21-D 2017: 2.065.000
That goes for the ones that the referendums indpenentist cheated voting 3 or 4 times. We got more votes yesterday than the 1-0 the same goes for Referendum 9-N to official elections of 27-S. What it shows how trustworthy we are as a society when we organize our unilateral referendum.
Also, ciudadanos won? well, the major vote was splitted in the 2 main parties, no biggy. Ciudadanos grew for the vanwagon effect and collected all PP votes (the major party in Spain had 4% in votes).
The funny thing is that the vast majority of the votes that ciudadanos had, mostly are in uneducated, labour hard workers with few resources and Ciudadanos is the new alt-right party, with more right economic policies than PP. Basically what happened with trump and rednecks. They just voted because anticatalanism populism (menwhile right wing .
About the Value of the votes in Barcelona, we can say the same for votes that went to garbage for CUP in Lleida and Tarragona to not reach the minimum for 1 seat. If the indpendentist would go together, like last elections, they would grab a few more seats as the extra votes of each, for each province would joint and reach a few seats more.
Other ways to see it
55% of the votes against 155 article
55% (at least) in favour of a referendum
17% votes classical National Spanish parties (like it would be tories and labour)
45% votes Total National Spanish parties
And all that with the catalan government intervened by the spanish government, a president in exile, the other major candidate catalan indpendentist party in prison and all the spanish media overboarding to make Ciudadanos win
The truth is that independentism grows year by year despite the repression of the government and IMO for to factors:
-Because more people see that is impossible to go forward in our society with the mentality from the spanish powers that emanate from the francoist oligarchy and their heirs
-Because the spanish people that immigrate on the 60-70 in mas to Catalonia are dying and their children are more and more integrated in our society (indpendentists or not this is great)
Despite the sensation of victory in catalonia, the international press saying the same (spanish media, as Orwell said decades ago is another matter, they leave in an alternative universe), for me is a defeat of the independentism as I understand it. I think after so many years trying and after what happened in september-november we had to grow more than what we did. We did not reach 50% but 47.5% the same as last time but with 5 points more of participation. 155 article fans had 43% and as always "that people in the middle" that they vote for animal parties like PACMA, for lets hold hands together without telling what you would vote in the most important question in catalan society currently like COMUNS, etc...
Independentist parties grabbed a social movement that people started without them, brought us beyond our limit as a country breaking offcial rules and boundaries. And I do not find it wrong, as if you want the independence, you need to do that, but they brought us there lying telling us that they had a plan. And they did not have a plan more than bring us to the referendum of the 1-O (that they did brilliantly) and cry to Europe for help like a baby. And you can't rely on third parties if you want to manage your own country, and even me, that I am not in politics, knew that Europe would not give a damn
We stuck at the same exactly point. Spanish politicians will not change. Catalan politicians will not change and lets the marmot day begin over and over.
In my opinion indpendentist partiesw should slow down, let catalan society rest and concentrate in fix and clean what the dirty hands of the central government touched during the 155 article imposition. Let indpendentism follow the course, Old people dying, young people able to vote and hope for Spain be a normal democratic country
In this post I give my personal opinion, very distant than what a vast majority of independentist think, And is dangerous because I criticize my own political movement and that would be grabbed in this thread by the ones that have a different opinion, but one think is clear, IMO we lost because we did not reach enough, but the unionist side, with all the State/police/law/media/international positions in their side, could not stop independentism but make it grow
PS: I did not write before and I will not write much because I am very weary of everything and in 2 days I fly home
Happy holidays