Cavani is not respected enough around here

[mu4c_20le]

If we hadn't of signed Ronaldo, Cavani would have been our starter most games as no9. Top top player.

Started against Villa and didn't do much

 

[Ixion]

Started against Villa and didn't do much

Have we not yet learnt the lesson you cant judge anyone from 1 game

 

[mu4c_20le]

Have we not yet learnt the lesson you cant judge anyone from 1 game

Wolves, Burnley.....

 

[VidaRed]

One wonders if people think he was on a vacation in dubai instead of international duty ?

Lets not confuse him with lingard who needed time off to clear his head after coming back from a vacation.

Cavani was never getting any minutes anyways yesterday because he had played for uruguay. Even telles played for brazil and wasn't included in the squad. And before anyone jumps in with the fred rebuttal, let me remind you that fred did not play for brazil and that is why rangnick included him in the squad.

 

[NewGlory]

Two months ago we had 4 strikers.

Since then, one was loaned out because we had too many, one is out facing jail, and the two others started showing age, turning into old people unable to play.

Life sure is ironic

 

[JohnnyKills]

Respect is earned, not something you automatically get because you play for the club. Where is this bloke? Always injured, on international duty or getting time off. Time off for what exactly? We're in February and guy has played 668 minutes (equivalent of 7 games) for us this season. Good riddance when he leaves in the summer. For god's sake please sign some hungry and dedicated players who put the club first.

Completely agree.

The difference in treatment between Martial and Cavani is ridiculous. One is booed when he comes on and the other is treated as a hero even though he's been no more effective.

Over a season and a half at OT and he's scored what, 12 goals?

But hey, he's good-looking and looks like he's trying really hard, so great.

 

[MUFC OK]

Respect is earned, not something you automatically get because you play for the club. Where is this bloke? Always injured, on international duty or getting time off. Time off for what exactly? We're in February and guy has played 668 minutes (equivalent of 7 games) for us this season. Good riddance when he leaves in the summer. For god's sake please sign some hungry and dedicated players who put the club first.

Completely agree with this, sadly Alvarez was twerking for us in the media last window and we turned him down. He could have been the hungry, dedicated striker we need, he's going City now and the rest will surely be history. Even more gutting when you consider that Greenwood was the most legitimate reason not to go for him. What a very Manchester United sequence of events.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Completely agree.

The difference in treatment between Martial and Cavani is ridiculous. One is booed when he comes on and the other is treated as a hero even though he's been no more effective.

Over a season and a half at OT and he's scored what, 12 goals?

But hey, he's good-looking and looks like he's trying really hard, so great.

Agreed. Hugely likeable personality but he's too old now.
The other thing that counts against him is he wasn't interested in us until Athletico refused the fee, meaning United were his only option and he's had an eye on leaving ever since he joined. He even tried to leave in Jan but was told he couldn't. I really don't get the cult like following he has on here.

 

[JJ12]

He’s a fossil like Ronaldo.

Hope we sign a striker but to be honest we have a million holes as always as we have to replace holes that we’ve failed to do previously. I for one like to fill holes adequately.

This club, fecking hell.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Two months ago we had 4 strikers.

Since then, one was loaned out because we had too many, one is out facing jail, and the two others started showing age, turning into old people unable to play.

Life sure is ironic

Yeah, situation changed so quickly. Possibly we'll have zero strikers come July/August.

 

[el3mel]

The last season was entertaining. Enough is enough though, he has been rubbish and he's showing his age.

Sell in summer. Thanks for last season but that's about it.

I said it previously but even though I liked Cavani, comparing his United career to Zlatan and people actually believing Cavani has been better was ridiculous.

 

[Utd heap]

His hair looked really good live last night.

 

[redshaw]

The whole team has been so poor though compared to last season, the goals have even dried up for Ronaldo as the team has got progressively worse along the season resulting in Oles sacking and most of Rangnick's games have been a struggle. Saved by a one off goal by Fred against Palace, requiring a penalty for Norwich, very little in creating and allowing strikers to make things happen in general. We'd be complaining of other younger strikers if they were here right now. Even the couple of games with missed chances really boiled down to Bruno hitting the post and penalty misses, a lot of half chances really. Most of the season has been so poor like the second half last night. We're only just climbing out as a team after being in the ditch around December.

Some of the goals Cavani got last season like those headers would just not happen with our play now. Just awful slow lofted balls in that only result in headers going over or an easy catch by the keeper. Last night we passed many times to defenders. I can still see Sancho's ball in nowhere near a United player from the edge of the box. Pitiful play.

 

[MadDogg]

Even last season Cavani spent most of the season either injured or only being good off the bench. It was only the last few months of the season that he starting playing consistently well; previously he'd been poor whenever he started a match, although to be fair he tended to be good when bought on for the last 30 minutes or so.

 

[TMDaines]

Looking forward to his next appearance in a fortnight.

 

[Escobar]

Our forward department is an abaolute joke. 2 fossils who are way behind it, one arrested

 

[SambaBoy]

Was always going to be a difficult game for him. Tarkowski and Mee are great at defending the 18 yard box where Cavani thrives with excellent movement so he was negated in that aspect.

 

[Oranges038]

Should have scored, maybe thought it was a goal before he got it. The look of disbelief on his face when Pope made that save shows that he never even expected him to come across.

 

[Rake]

Should have scored, maybe thought it was a goal before he got it. The look of disbelief on his face when Pope made that save shows that he never even expected him to come across.

The goal wouldn't have stood since he was offside, but he didn't know that and absolutely should have scored.

 

[Ayoba]

I mean, he was about to enjoy his retirement in South American football when he left PSG before we signed him on a short team deal.

It's not his fault this club has no foresight in long term planning. Which top team in Europe relies on two striker's in their mid-30's??

 

[Jericho]

I mean, he was about to enjoy his retirement in South American football when he left PSG before we signed him on a short team deal.

It's not his fault this club has no foresight in long term planning. Which top team in Europe relies on two striker's in their mid-30's??

AC Milan? Bayern Munich?

 

[Ayoba]

AC Milan? Bayern Munich?

Well I'm convinced, let's keep Ronaldo and Cavani for another year!

 

[flameinthesun]

His best attributes were always his movement and workrate. His finishing was good not great and his link up play and dribbling were servicable. With his legs gone he really does not provide much for us and in my opinion in his current state is not really a top half of the league striker. Which is fine for his age but he should not be playing for us.

When you think that we have had Ronaldo, Cavani and Igahlo at their ages here....it just adds to the questions we should ask about future planning. This team is crying out for a mobile hard working striker who is as good at scoring as linking play.

 

[NewGlory]

His best attributes were always his movement and workrate. His finishing was good not great and his link up play and dribbling were servicable. With his legs gone he really does not provide much for us and in my opinion in his current state is not really a top half of the league striker. Which is fine for his age but he should not be playing for us.

When you think that we have had Ronaldo, Cavani and Igahlo at their ages here....it just adds to the questions we should ask about future planning. This team is crying out for a mobile hard working striker who is as good at scoring as linking play.

There's nothing wrong with having a world-class striker at the end of their career, in the squad - as long as you are growing a young striker, future superstar as they understudy, alongside them.

When the old striker (Ronaldo) insists starting every game and playing every game 90 minutes, that makes ZERO sense however. And when only remaining strikers in the squad are both old strikers, that makes even less sense, but even when Greenwood was around, we were playing him on the wing and not really developing him as a striker.

United is a mess. No news there. Shocking part it - we are a mess under every manager.

 

[Sandikan]

If we hadn't of signed Ronaldo, Cavani would have been our starter most games as no9. Top top player.

You've either not put much thought into this post, or have the loosest every definition of "most".

He can barely play 1 in 3 or 4 for starters due to constant niggly injuries and reading between the lines had to be massively convinced to stay on another season.
Meaning we're constantly letting him swan off home, have an extra week off here and there, have a few days extra after every international break etc.

There's not a chance you can rely on him for more than about 10 or so starts a season.

 

[shamans]

Completely agree.

The difference in treatment between Martial and Cavani is ridiculous. One is booed when he comes on and the other is treated as a hero even though he's been no more effective.

Over a season and a half at OT and he's scored what, 12 goals?

But hey, he's good-looking and looks like he's trying really hard, so great.

Ffs from which angle

 

[TMDaines]

This thread really is not ageing well.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Cavani was only ever any use off the bench for us. Thoroughly overrated and overappreciated.

Our clubs problem is how insistent we are in keeping players that are of not much use to us.

I suspect it's because we are incapable of more that 3-4 signings in a summer.

What we gonna do for next season.

Pogba Greenwood Cavani Mata Matic Martial Lingard and potentially Ronaldo gone.

We will have no squad at all.

And our first 11 will have taken a big hit too.

We will need to sign like 6 top top players which is impossible for us.

 

[kouroux]

Cavani was only ever any use off the bench for us. Thoroughly overrated and overappreciated.

Our clubs problem is how insistent we are in keeping players that are of not much use to us.

I suspect it's because we are incapable of more that 3-4 signings in a summer.

What we gonna do for next season.

Pogba Greenwood Cavani Mata Matic Martial Lingard and potentially Ronaldo gone.

We will have no squad at all.

And our first 11 will have taken a big hit too.

We will need to sign like 6 top top players which is impossible for us.

More than 6 tbh if the intent is to improve.

 

[Fortitude]

We're paying him a fortune for nothing now, unfortunately.

He doesn't want to be here and is not giving his all for us anymore, it looks like.

 

[UncleBob]

Disaster of a season so far.
Either injured or shit.

 

[Sandikan]

We had to convince him to stay an extra year and he's basically been a part timer this year.

There was about 2 games we thought, oh Cavani and Ronaldo together could work. Then he's barely been near it since.

 

[laughtersassassin]

More than 6 tbh if the intent is to improve.

Agreed really. We are really non an impossible situation. Think so many are burying their heads in the sand when it comes to this.

So much for Ole leaving us in a better spot.
And to be fair even I thought he had albeit not by much

 

[always_hoping]

Was known when brought in, such injury prone footballer.

 

[VidaRed]

Greenwood and rashford are more at fault for us being non existent upfront.

Cavani was never going to be a regular starter.

 

[SoCross]

Groin injury apparently.

 

[Oranges038]

Injured again.

Put him out with the bins on Monday.

 

[Judas]

This season has been a bit of a disaster. Sadly when he is fit, his performances aren't really delivering either.

 

[MadDogg]

What we gonna do for next season.

Pogba Greenwood Cavani Mata Matic Martial Lingard and potentially Ronaldo gone.

We will have no squad at all.

And our first 11 will have taken a big hit too.

We will need to sign like 6 top top players which is impossible for us.

Honestly, if we do it well it is exactly what we needed. Our squad is simply too big with too many players who either aren't good enough or aren't reliable enough. We desperately need a clean-out.

Of the ones you mention, Mata is basically no use at all anymore. Lingard and Matic not much better. Pogba and Martial are talented but it simply hasn't worked out, partly because neither of them have the work-ethic and consistency. Other than a period towards the end of last season, Cavani has been extremely unreliable in both availability and performance level. Ronaldo will only look to leave if we don't make the CL, and I feel that the only way we miss out on the CL is if Ronaldo continues looking like he's at coming to the end, in which case we need him to leave anyway. Hell, the next manager may want a different type of striker anyway. Greenwood is the only one that is a definite loss.

Let them all go, get one or two midfielders, one or two attackers, and then show faith in the youth to start being the squad players with a view for ultimately pushing for a starting spot. We could easily end up with a stronger, hungrier team on lower wages and with more reliability.

Of course, the key is to replace them correctly and that is where the big question marks are. We've proven completely unable to do it correctly over the last 8 years, but we've had a lot of changes over the last year or so. We'll have a new manager, Rangnick acting as an advisor to the board, and new members of the board itself. A clean-out of the players who aren't much use anymore is a good test for them. A worrying test because if they aren't up to it we'll be in a bad position, but fingers crossed.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Honestly, if we do it well it is exactly what we needed. Our squad is simply too big with too many players who either aren't good enough or aren't reliable enough. We desperately need a clean-out.

Of the ones you mention, Mata is basically no use at all anymore. Lingard and Matic not much better. Pogba and Martial are talented but it simply hasn't worked out, partly because neither of them have the work-ethic and consistency. Other than a period towards the end of last season, Cavani has been extremely unreliable in both availability and performance level. Ronaldo will only look to leave if we don't make the CL, and I feel that the only way we miss out on the CL is if Ronaldo continues looking like he's at coming to the end, in which case we need him to leave anyway. Hell, the next manager may want a different type of striker anyway. Greenwood is the only one that is a definite loss.

Let them all go, get one or two midfielders, one or two attackers, and then show faith in the youth to start being the squad players with a view for ultimately pushing for a starting spot. We could easily end up with a stronger, hungrier team on lower wages and with more reliability.

Of course, the key is to replace them correctly and that is where the big question marks are. We've proven completely unable to do it correctly over the last 8 years, but we've had a lot of changes over the last year or so. We'll have a new manager, Rangnick acting as an advisor to the board, and new members of the board itself. A clean-out of the players who aren't much use anymore is a good test for them. A worrying test because if they aren't up to it we'll be in a bad position, but fingers crossed.

I'd agree but we won't do it. We do things in half measures