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sorry but spurs are out. ajax will win 2:1 in amsterdam
injuries and a total collapse in the league
injuries and a total collapse in the league
They were good for 35 minutes. After that, nothing special. Spurs disrupted their play with route one stuff. Tie is still alive.Ajax were nothing short of fantastic.
Wanyama was all over the place, though not helped by Dele and Eriksen not stepping up as we'd have wanted. Trippier poor as he has been all season.Fair assessment, I particularly liked the point about Llorente, he was decent (albeit not brilliant) and in no way deserved the vitriol he was getting. I thought Wanyama and Trippier were pretty diabolical all game long, and Eriksen played far below his level. Dele was also otherwise muted.
I think Spurs still have a chance, but it'd be a long shot. Ajax are clearly the favorites. Predictably.
What'd he do now? Dutch report on yesterday's interview made him appear quite respectful to all teams, including Tottenham and Ajax.Is Klopp just determined to piss off everyone in Barca?
Tbh, your chances increased when playing the long ball to Llorente as it avoided being pressured on midfield and gave some Tottenham possession just outside the box allowing your midfield and backs to move up. I don't think Son is more capable of that kind of game.Wanyama was all over the place, though not helped by Dele and Eriksen not stepping up as we'd have wanted. Trippier poor as he has been all season.
It is difficult to assess Llorente properly. The thing is, on paper, as a 3rd choice striker, he's a good choice. Especially once he starts a few games in a row. He may score.
The issue is that he, by default, utterly changes how we play. We end up going long ball, which he isn't necessarily that adept at. Even if he is ok at it, the performance as a whole suffers vs what we get with Son and Kane imo. He may even end up scoring (like he did vs City) but the performance dropped off a cliff as soon as he came on (and Sissoko came off in fairness).
With Son back for the 2nd leg, I'd like to see Llorente back on the bench, at the very least to actually give us an attacking option off the bench. And I guess hope Lamela manages to actually get out of the treatment room for once in his life.
as a neutral you'd want the tie to be over after 1 game. personally i think liverpol will be in the game alot and unlike man united they will take them.Liverpool need a right good smashing tonight. 4-0 would be lovely.
Auditioning for Madrid when Zidane gets bored again?Is Klopp just determined to piss off everyone in Barca?
Verts has said he hasn’t got consussion. Chelsea’s revenue is a lot higher than ours and yet lately you have been finishing below us. Ajax have done amazingly well on their budget yes but they do well at developing players, their scouting network, especially youth scouting is clearly the best in the world.Spurs should be beating Ajax at home, from what I can see Ajax total revenue is lower than the amount any team in the premier league gets from just TV money. Just shows what developing your own young players can acheive.
Ajax in the Eredivise at least are far stronger home than away. 66 goals for and 12 against in 16 games, 14 wins two draws. Tie definitely not over, but harder not taking anything to Amsterdam.
Vertonghen presumably out for at least a week now, very obviously had a concussion. Risk of second impact syndrome killing him if he plays too early. Regardless of if any symptoms now or not. Can't see any doctor allowing him take the risk.
They increased because form and injuries meant a big chunk of our normal attacking play was compromised. Sanchez is not as good on the ball as Toby or Vertonghen (and Ajax knew it), Trippier was a bit useless, Wanyama looks like his legs have gone and both Dele and Eriksen are off form. A midfield of Winks and Sissoko, Son, Dele and Eriksen behind a fit Kane....alas, what could have been.Tbh, your chances increased when playing the long ball to Llorente as it avoided being pressured on midfield and gave some Tottenham possession just outside the box allowing your midfield and backs to move up. I don't think Son is more capable of that kind of game.
If you want to use combinations to reach Son, you're going to get the same thing that happened with Costa. He may get a chance, but he'll likely be interrupted and pressed off the ball most the time, resulting in frequent Ajax counter attacks.
Son might be more dangerous if he can pick up a loose ball outside of the box though. A combination with Llorente might thus actually be fruitful.
No matter what happens, but Pool 'hammering' Barca is not going to happen.Can see Barcelona just about winning a very close match tomorrow night but Liverpool hammering them at Anfield, I'll go 2-1 or 2-0 in the 1st leg and Liverpool to win by at least 3 at Anfield maybe more.
I heard that, doctor needs to make the diagnosis pretty obviously..., can't self diagnose concussion!, could be very dangerous. Let us see what the Spurs medical team say today. If they do let him play I seriously hope nothing bad happens, putting money above players safety could end very badly for the whole sport. From the TV pictures it looked like absolutely textbook concussion symptoms.Verts has said he hasn’t got consussion. Chelsea’s revenue is a lot higher than ours and yet lately you have been finishing below us. Ajax have done amazingly well on their budget yes but they do well at developing players, their scouting network, especially youth scouting is clearly the best in the world.
They do have an advantage in that I doubt any kid would turn them down if they came calling. Their record is just so good.
I said in the *concussion thread*, the only way to guarantee safety is for ANY head injury to result in immediate substitution. Consussion isn’t something you can diagnose from a sideline. In boxing for example you see many occasions where a fighter take a clean hit and for a few seconds he looks totally out of it but soon recovers.I heard that, doctor needs to make the diagnosis pretty obviously..., can't self diagnose concussion!, could be very dangerous. Let us see what the Spurs medical team say today. If they do let him play I seriously hope nothing bad happens, putting money above players safety could end very badly for the whole sport. From the TV pictures it looked like absolutely textbook concussion symptoms.
What? A neutral wouldn’t want the tie to be over after the first leg at all.as a neutral you'd want the tie to be over after 1 game. personally i think liverpol will be in the game alot and unlike man united they will take them.
Yap, he's been 0 squared for the whole season now.There's no denying/arguing against this any longer.
He's been total wank for the majority of this season, if it wasn't for injuries I wouldn't even want him in the team.
Now his goalscoring has dried up he offers nothing but the odd moment of quality/some decent flicks here and there.
sorry i meant to format it as a question.What? A neutral wouldn’t want the tie to be over after the first leg at all.
Son a liability for his defensive work? Hi joseAjax lost their way a bit in the second half, but I expect them to have Spurs figured out in Amsterdam. I believe Spurs-fans expect too much of Son. He's going to be liability in his defensive work agains Ajax and they'll need an extra midfielder to cover Mazraoui on the left. To score goals, you need to be more creative and I haven't seen any glimpse of that. Almost couldn't believe they started with that 5-man at the back... That's basically killing your most creative man like Eriksen who was up against 2-3 Ajax players all the time...
Ajax lost their way a bit in the second half, but I expect them to have Spurs figured out in Amsterdam. I believe Spurs-fans expect too much of Son. He's going to be liability in his defensive work agains Ajax and they'll need an extra midfielder to cover Mazraoui on the left. To score goals, you need to be more creative and I haven't seen any glimpse of that. Almost couldn't believe they started with that 5-man at the back... That's basically killing your most creative man like Eriksen who was up against 2-3 Ajax players all the time...
That all depends where they go after Ajax. De Ligt will succeed everywhere, no doubt. De Jong also, although he might need some time to adjust ad Barcelona. I think Ziyech would do great just below the real top teams in Italy or Spain, like Napoli, Valencia or Sevilla. Van de Beek should stay one more year at Ajax. I think he can be a sensation in the Bundesliga or at some PL clubs. Tagliafico will leave this summer to Spain, he will do fine there. Only one I have serious doubts about is Neres.Which one of these Ajax stars do you think will flop? Surely not all of them will succeed at the next level. Some are benefiting from the environment style of play and players around them.
Shaky backline? Ajax played RM, Juventus and you and only conceded 5. You lot played Dortmund, City and Ajax and also conceded 5 goals. In the group stages you conceded 10 goals while they conceded half of that, 5. You even let PSV score 2 against you. If Ajax have a shaky backline then so do you.We're still in this tie.
Ajax are overrated. We got at them badly in that second half, and if players like Kane and Son were on the pitch I would back us to grab a couple.
Sissoko in from the start in the return leg and Son back leading the line and we will look far more threatening, easily capable of scoring a few against a shaky backline.
Tonight we had zero quality in the final third with Llorente leading the line. We'll obviously have to play a hell of a lot better to come in to it, but we are capable of that. Some of the deliveries by our fullbacks were criminal and Alli/Eriksen were totally below par.
We can also be shaky, when did I say otherwise? The City game at the Etihad clearly showed that. My point is that Ajax can be vulnerable, we can go to their arena and score goals if everyone plays to their ability and we have a few players back.Shaky backline? Ajax played RM, Juventus and you and only conceded 5. You lot played Dortmund, City and Ajax and also conceded 5 goals. In the group stages you conceded 10 goals while they conceded half of that, 5. You even let PSV score 2 against you. If Ajax have a shaky backline then so do you.
Not the first time some of your players were below par and there's a very real chance they will again in the return. Son is not going to magically solve all your problems.
You always came across as a decent oppo fan but this defeat has made you really bitter mate.
We're not neutral here when it comes to Liverpool.sorry i meant to format it as a question.
Most backs would look somewhat poor against Neres and Ziyech with the excellent supply they get from Tadic, de Jong and van de Beek. They’re quite hard to defend against without getting physical. IMO Trippier did his job, Rose as well. That they were outclassed a bit doesn’t mean they didn’t do what was expected of them as well as they could tbh. Bit surprised both backs got substituted in that sense as disrupting the supply from midfield and Tadic seemed more logical.They increased because form and injuries meant a big chunk of our normal attacking play was compromised. Sanchez is not as good on the ball as Toby or Vertonghen (and Ajax knew it), Trippier was a bit useless, Wanyama looks like his legs have gone and both Dele and Eriksen are off form. A midfield of Winks and Sissoko, Son, Dele and Eriksen behind a fit Kane....alas, what could have been.
Meh. Ajax would push up anyway regardless of the attackers as long as midfield allows it: as long as you have possession of the ball, those attackers are harmless. Ajax defenders have plenty of pace to keep up with attackers too. More distance to your own goal then simply gives more time to intercept.There were a couple of times early on for instance where Llorente was 'released' in an attacking position quite deep in the Ajax half and Ajax had pushed up massively precisely because there was no worry about him running through. He did the best he could within his capabilities but situations like that Son (or even Kane) would have done a lot better and generally the threat of pace in behind would force Ajax back a little bit, or at least provide us with a lot more chance on the counter.
Not good, they’re going for the win today and I think Liverpool will be the ones sitting deep and hitting them on the counter. Barca will sit deeper (and start with Rakitic, Busquets and Vidal) in the second left if they have a lead in the first legGoing to be very interesting to see how Barcelona play tonight, their only home loss in La Liga was against Betis who are also very good pressers. What are the chances of them sitting much deeper than usual, playing Roberto in midfield and playing on the counter attack?