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[onemanarmy]

But this isn't a 'debate' this is merely a chat room/open forum. The guys entitled to his opinion.

Where do you get your info that his info is wrong? You know 100% he's wrong do you? Where are your sources?

The whole purpose of this thread is to literally vent while we all wait for concrete information.

In the meantime it's fine for anyone to come at it from any angle they want. That's how open forums work. Give the guy some slack eh.

I don't, but I'm also not pushing my opinion based on guesses. All I'm saying is that a narrative is being pushed based on 2 lousy tweets, come on.

 

[AlexUTD]

So no information at all, except for a "pledge" from one of the interested parties.

How can you honestly go and compare both bids then, stating facts?

Yes i can compare bids when clearly one of the bids has a pledge to clear all debt, Fix stadium and training ground and invest in mens and womens team and the other bid do not pledge as much as a pint a a prawn sandwich.

 

[lsd]

Yes i can compare bids when clearly one of the bids has a pledge to clear all debt, Fix stadium and training ground and invest in mens and womens team and the other bid do not pledge as much as a pint a a prawn sandwich.

I can compare them on there is one I know for sure that has the money and a lot more to get us where we want. Whereas the other I'm not sure even exists and if he does certainly doesn't have the money on his own so is just a puppet for god knows what

 

[fallengt]

I thought this could end in April. Shouldve known better
Glazers are fecking disgrace to this club

 

[We need an rvn]

I can compare them on there is one I know for sure that has the money and a lot more to get us where we want. Whereas the other I'm not sure even exists and if he does certainly doesn't have the money on his own so is just a puppet for god knows what

Obviously not a Qatar fan, which is fair enough given a number of things. But surely you can see the appeal to many fans swaying towards the Qatar bid over Sir James Arthur Ratcliffe FIChemE when one bid is promising to invest / clear debt etc, like @AlexUTD has stated, whilst the other hasn't stated anything about investing in the stadium & clearing the debt which is a huge burden on the club and can hinder transfers under financial regulations. A lot of fans just want us debt free, upgrading to the stadium and training facilities and using our income to purchase players - both for the male and female side of it.

You've also got to factor in that Sir James Arthur Ratcliffe FIChemE has done absolutely feck all during his ownership of Nice, and you could argue made them worse. If all he wants to do is own United and not turn it back into a powerhouse of world football and use the clubs income to fund the debt and purchase players etc then Qatar is the better of two evils.

 

[Ahriman]

Whereas the other I'm not sure even exists and if he does certainly doesn't have the money on his own so is just a puppet for god knows what

The idea that Qatar are going to invent some phantom character to buy one of the most high profile sports team in the world is ludicrous. Why would they need to do that?

I get people have concerns but to suggest he doesn't exist is nonsensical.

 

[Partridge]

He's a "keyzer soze" sort of character. Nobody knows who he actually is..his silhouette is often seen, briefly before it's gone..

 

[IncyWincySpider]

What will be interesting is, if Qatar's bid for us fails and they rage-buy another club instead, who will they get to front it? Because presumably it wouldn't be The Boy Jassim again, but who kows.

 

[Tarrou]

I just think it'll be really weird to go from protests outraged for fifteen years at a leveraged buyout and debt to a leveraged buyout and debt with everyone pretending that scenario represents a brave, new world

There still seems a misapprehension that people need to be aware of here in that speculated net worth isn't actually money someone has.

Ratcliffe isn't selling a significant chunk of Ineos and he doesn't have £4bn stuffed down the sofa. We've gone from 'debt is the road to ruin' to 'debt might be okay without neckbeards'

But sure, he runs Ineos with a substantial debt, but he'll clear ours, right? He'll bundle the entirety debt burden on his more lucrative, valuable business and let us spend like Phillip Schofield's lawyers encouraging parents of 13 year old boys to sign NDAs.

Anyone who claims to have an objection to the Glazer ownership who will rejoice at Ratcliffe is either a hypocrite or an idiot. Because the only difference is believing 'net worth' articles are currency.

man you keep going on about this net worth thing but I honestly can’t remember anyone saying It I’m here. Maybe reply to someone?

I commend your commitment to the anti ratcliffe cause though

remember when you spent a month telling everyone he wasn’t serious because this isn’t how billion dolllar deals are done? Those were the days

 

[Loon]

For a bunch of cnuts fond of deadlines, it's a pity they can't provide the people who pump money into the club with a deadline for their decision.

 

[MancunianAngels]

Human rights.

Qatar buying the champions league for United, catching up with citynewcastle and 'investing' in a training facility is nowhere near as important.

I'd say no to both Glazer and Ratcliffe, too, but I'd take either over Qatar's state bid.

I'll be okay watching United in League Two.

Spot on.

United don't even need that kind of model to succeed. Just someone who allows the club to function and spend most of it's own money.

On a wider point, there's an increasingly desperate tone to some of these pro Qatar/anti Glazer messages. This one below is a great example. We're not in administration. Why would we cease to exist if the Glazers carry on? I despise the bast**ds but that's just ridiculous.

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Where were these people in 2005? Hell, where were they in 2010? If anyone now screaming about the death of MUFC with the Glazers was more alert and awake 18 years ago, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with them for so long.

 

[gormless]

Spot on.

United don't even need that kind of model to succeed. Just someone who allows the club to function and spend most of it's own money.

On a wider point, there's an increasingly desperate tone to some of these pro Qatar/anti Glazer messages. This one below is a great example. We're not in administration. Why would we cease to exist if the Glazers carry on? I despise the bast**ds but that's just ridiculous.

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Where were these people in 2005? Hell, where were they in 2010? If anyone now screaming about the death of MUFC with the Glazers was more alert and awake 18 years ago, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with them for so long.

Social media wasn’t a thing. Only match going fans really had a chance to display their feelings. The Glazers were chased out of Old Trafford in the back of a Police van by a baying mob. A whole new football team was created. MUST were very vocal. In 2010 there was the whole Green and Gold movement and the Red Knights. We were just as powerless against them back in 2005 as we are now to influence who buys the club.

Not necessarily a fan of Qatar buying us, but to make it seem we had any choice about the Glazers is ridiculous. Unless we have some secret billionaires on here

 

[backofthenet]

Spot on.

United don't even need that kind of model to succeed. Just someone who allows the club to function and spend most of it's own money.

On a wider point, there's an increasingly desperate tone to some of these pro Qatar/anti Glazer messages. This one below is a great example. We're not in administration. Why would we cease to exist if the Glazers carry on? I despise the bast**ds but that's just ridiculous.

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Where were these people in 2005? Hell, where were they in 2010? If anyone now screaming about the death of MUFC with the Glazers was more alert and awake 18 years ago, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with them for so long.

As it goes, our financials are pretty bloody terrible and worsening. No, we're not going into administration any time soon, but our cash in hand has reduced over the last 3 years from £250m to about £30m in the latest set of accounts, whilst our debt has increased. And that was with historically low borrowing costs, which are not the case today. There is a reason why the Glazers went out seeking investment last summer... its become nearly unsustainable to run a club investing hundreds of millions a year in transfer fees (which it seems we all demand looking at some of the ridiculous wishlists going around) without a wealthy benefactor.

 

[MancunianAngels]

As it goes, our financials are pretty bloody terrible and worsening. No, we're not going into administration any time soon, but our cash in hand has reduced over the last 3 years from £250m to about £30m in the latest set of accounts, whilst our debt has increased. And that was with historically low borrowing costs, which are not the case today. There is a reason why the Glazers went out seeking investment last summer... its become nearly unsustainable to run a club investing hundreds of millions a year in transfer fees (which it seems we all demand looking at some of the ridiculous wishlists going around) without a wealthy benefactor.

To suggest it would be the end of the club is absurd though.

And if the only way to survive is Qatar and being part of a sport washing exercise then we may aswell just give up. What's the point?

 

[Voteon]

On a wider point, there's an increasingly desperate tone to some of these pro Qatar/anti Glazer messages. This one below is a great example. We're not in administration. Why would we cease to exist if the Glazers carry on? I despise the bast**ds but that's just ridiculous.

Where were these people in 2005? Hell, where were they in 2010? If anyone now screaming about the death of MUFC with the Glazers was more alert and awake 18 years ago, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with them for so long.

Complete entitlement coupled with a lack of integrity. The post in which they claim United will cease to exist is particularly desperate. Here is one quote:

'Like it or not, Qatar is the best option for the club if you want it back to where it belongs.'

Personally, I don't think United 'belong' at the top of the table, or with permanent CL football with access to top class players on tap.

The club is not more important than another person's human rights.

 

[Desert Eagle]

My daily post saying how much I hate these cnuts. Leeching maggots.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

My daily post saying how much I hate these cnuts. Leeching maggots.

Completely agree

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Micro penis with impotence day today.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Spot on.

United don't even need that kind of model to succeed. Just someone who allows the club to function and spend most of it's own money.

On a wider point, there's an increasingly desperate tone to some of these pro Qatar/anti Glazer messages. This one below is a great example. We're not in administration. Why would we cease to exist if the Glazers carry on? I despise the bast**ds but that's just ridiculous.

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Where were these people in 2005? Hell, where were they in 2010? If anyone now screaming about the death of MUFC with the Glazers was more alert and awake 18 years ago, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with them for so long.

Waiting for twitter to be invented

 

[devilish]

Spot on.

United don't even need that kind of model to succeed. Just someone who allows the club to function and spend most of it's own money.

On a wider point, there's an increasingly desperate tone to some of these pro Qatar/anti Glazer messages. This one below is a great example. We're not in administration. Why would we cease to exist if the Glazers carry on? I despise the bast**ds but that's just ridiculous.

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Where were these people in 2005? Hell, where were they in 2010? If anyone now screaming about the death of MUFC with the Glazers was more alert and awake 18 years ago, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with them for so long.

Most of us were cocky (Inc me). We thought that United is too big to fail, that we will keep winning regardless of owners. Its the same arguments made by those supporting ineos (bar the moralists).

Ask yourself why ineos are the ABUs preferred option. They certainly don't like us

 

[DOTA]

Micro penis with impotence day today.

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[Brownie85]

This truly does feel like it's never going to end. No idea what the Glazers are playing at here. All they're doing is strengthening the hate towards them.
I'd dread to see what next season is like if they stay. I can imagine there would be protest after protest. Makes me wonder how long it'll be before the more radical fans take towards vandalising OT in protest.

 

[Xeno]

Micro penis with impotence day today.

Don't bodyshame me.

 

[DOTA]

No idea what the Glazers are playing at here. All they're doing is strengthening the hate towards them.

They are trying to get the most money possible for the shares they own in Manchester United. They aren't greatly concerned with strengthening the hate of a fanbase they will soon be walking away from with big bags of money.

 

[Blackbeard]

What will be interesting is, if Qatar's bid for us fails and they rage-buy another club instead, who will they get to front it? Because presumably it wouldn't be The Boy Jassim again, but who kows.

If it is genuinely the Qatari state they are worth around 335 billion and they wont fail. It would be priceless to them, if their aim is sports washing, to own the biggest club in the world. One can only conclude if they do fail it was in fact a bid not directly from the state of Qatar.

 

[backofthenet]

To suggest it would be the end of the club is absurd though.

And if the only way to survive is Qatar and being part of a sport washing exercise then we may aswell just give up. What's the point?

Don't disagree. That's just internet hyperbole and should be ignored. It's safe to say however that all is not rosy in the accounts department.

It does seem that to sustain success in the PL you need to have backers that are willing to put their hands in their pockets... or at least at the moment. Will it get to the point where no one will be able to compete outside of state backed clubs throughout all competitions? Possibly, and I think at that point, though they will hate to do so, FIFA or UEFA will step in. Too much shit will come their way from the "traditional" big clubs for them not to. You can see the threat of breakaway leagues being raised again at that point.

 

[DOTA]

If it is genuinely the Qatari state they are worth around 335 billion and they wont fail. It would be priceless to them, if their aim is sports washing, to own the biggest club in the world. One can only conclude if they do fail it was in fact a bid not directly from the state of Qatar.

Or that whoever originally gave the go ahead for the bid did so under the impression it would be a cheaper acquisition than it's subsequently proved to be and is not keen to keep upping the proposed initial expenditure on a project they don't feel is utterly essential.

 

[Berbaclass]

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[Gambit]

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HMMMM, That bodes well. Aren't Liverpool after investors and they're waiting for the United sale. Just imagine if they were the investors.........

 

[FlawlessThaw]

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They're Liverpool legends after all..

 

[Blackbeard]

Or that whoever originally gave the go ahead for the bid did so under the impression it would be a cheaper acquisition than it's subsequently proved to be and is not keen to keep upping the proposed initial expenditure on a project they don't feel is utterly essential.

Possibly but I can’t see an opportunity like owning Manchester United coming around any time soon. The Qatari royal family have double the wealth of city’s owners and a rivalry with them. A couple billion extra on a vanity project like this means nothing to them. I think if it’s the Qatar royal family they will ultimately take control and if it isn’t then it will be Ratcliffe. I just can’t see them backing down over what is to them small change when they can project their brand around the world by owning Utd. It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity for them.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

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To be fair, Avram probably just thought that was a United kit.

 

[Berbaclass]

To be fair, Avram probably just thought that was a United kit.

He’s a right fecking peanut head isn’t he.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

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Tbf that’s brilliant from the dipper. Made it look like he’s pointing at the Glazer while really pointing at his badge.

Avram probably thought, ‘wow a fan who actually likes me!’.

 

[Moriarty]

Where were these people in 2005? Hell, where were they in 2010? If anyone now screaming about the death of MUFC with the Glazers was more alert and awake 18 years ago, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with them for so long.

It still makes me angry but the people that might have stopped Malcolm Glazer didn't. There's no point in raking over this again as it will just serve to upset people. But here we are in 2023. A group of freeloaders from Florida, who have drained this club of hundreds of millions, are about to walk away with the equivalent of the national debt of a small nation. They'll wash their hands of Manchester United, have a good laugh and won't lose a night's sleep. They have invested nothing; money, emotions, nothing. Personally, I'd rather see Old Trafford razed to the ground than see those creeps take another penny.

 

[AlPistacho]

You constructed an entire narrative based on two PR statements. That's impressive.

Thanks. For the time being that’s all we can go on; what is said and what isn’t said. Much better than the gymnastics made by those supporting Jim don’t you think?

 

[Rightnr]

Spot on.

United don't even need that kind of model to succeed. Just someone who allows the club to function and spend most of it's own money.

On a wider point, there's an increasingly desperate tone to some of these pro Qatar/anti Glazer messages. This one below is a great example. We're not in administration. Why would we cease to exist if the Glazers carry on? I despise the bast**ds but that's just ridiculous.

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Where were these people in 2005? Hell, where were they in 2010? If anyone now screaming about the death of MUFC with the Glazers was more alert and awake 18 years ago, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with them for so long.

You're a late entry to this thread but the amount of nonsense in one post is impressive

 

[Alonzo]

Most of us were cocky (Inc me). We thought that United is too big to fail, that we will keep winning regardless of owners. Its the same arguments made by those supporting ineos (bar the moralists).

Ask yourself why ineos are the ABUs preferred option. They certainly don't like us

“The moralists” Jesus wept. The people who let morals to inform their judgement, perish the thought.

Do you call the people on the other side “the human rights abuse apologists”? Doesn’t have as nice a ring I’ll give you that

 

[MyBloodIsRed]

So basically the leeches are staying in hopes to take credit for FA Cup win too? figures....

GTFO!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

“The moralists” Jesus wept. The people who let morals to inform their judgement, perish the thought.

Do you call the people on the other side “the human rights abuse apologists”? Doesn’t have as nice a ring I’ll give you that

The “immoralists” would be the exact opposite. Which also works.