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Wiki and his tweeter say located in Washington DC. It’s connections in politics probably gives him something inside. Need to investigate the formation of Raine group.
Different guys. This Ben Jacobs is based in the Gulf and is clearly British.
 

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Worth remembering elliot etc aren't going away just because they didn't turn up to buy a mug from the megastore. These 2 visits were for show and pr.
 

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I have listened to his interview. Quite measured but he clearly has sources either indirect or from the qatari horse's mouth.
He does have sources in Qatar.

And I don't think the Qatar group has created the Nine Two foundation to only back away at the end.

I've been reading up on Shahzad Shabaz, and he's said to be a heavy weight in his field.

 

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Done dealio if this ends up actually being the case next week...

No sports club/franchise worldwide has ever come close to going for that amount.

The leeches will bite their arms off if that's really the offer being dangled in front of them.
 

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He does have sources in Qatar.

And I don't think the Qatar group has created the Nine Two foundation to only back away at the end.

I've been reading up on Shahzad Shabaz, and he's said to be a heavy weight in his field.

The 92 Foundation could be an SPV at this point. The members/contributors of the 'Foundation' have committed X amounts to this entity on the basis that Jassim wins the bid.
They will have allocated a budget on how much they can extract from the pledges.
As I said earlier, it's interesting that the two BOA guys who came over were from the telecoms, and media practice. This may give an indication of who the contributors to the Foundation may be. I can assume the Qatari property development players will be involved too.
 

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Listening to Ben Jacobs do an interview on one of the youTube fan channels. Didn't know him before this takeover so could well be a bullshitter, but has plenty of info to relay about the team around Jassim. His tweets are pretty good aswell.

He either knows something or is an excellent bullshitter
 

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I just want our club run the right way. It needs to be sustainable and not just throwing money around stupidly. The only way I'd accept a Qatari owner would be if it was a someone who has no links to the state. I think it's just wrong if we end up with someone who also owns PSG etc.
But it's OK to have the same owner as Nice and Lausanne?
 

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Can't believe the Glazers after all these years of leeching off the club are gonna walk away with multiple billions. Makes me sick.
A lesson in life -- better lucky than clever. Their dad was clever enough to spot an opportunity. These six cnuts just happened to be around.
 

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It’s not that big a deal though. It’s been explained that Chelsea was just more convenient as he moved to London for business reasons. It was just a bloke going to the football. In one regard it’s good that he kept contact and interest with the PL.
It’s also been explained that he wasn’t serious about Chelsea, the bid was a signs to the Glazers - he was using the press to send a message. Subsequently they made the club available for sale and he’s a major part of the process and has been since the beginning. He’s very serious about United. If people weren’t blinded by Qatari dollars then INEOS would likely be the fans favourite bidder.
He gets ridiculed by people for being from Manchester, being a fan and wanting the club to be Mancunian centred. The guy can’t win.
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Listening to Ben Jacobs do an interview on one of the youTube fan channels. Didn't know him before this takeover so could well be a bullshitter, but has plenty of info to relay about the team around Jassim. His tweets are pretty good aswell.

He either knows something or is an excellent bullshitter
I think he knows whats going on from the Qatari side. But will not have much from the Raine or Glazers side and how they think.
 

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Well, based on their PR campaign it suggests they don't actually know what they are doing because all of their media stuff claims they want to buy 100% of the club for a little more than Ratcliffe wants to buy what's actually for sale.
????

They say they want to buy 100%, but it's obvious that means two (or more) separate transactions; buy the Glazers portion and then the listed portion. Any figures mentioned now will be to buy out the Glazers (same as Jimbo).
 

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Yes, because for all the money City and PSG have spent they have cabinets full of CL trophies don’t they?!
Obviously also a billion later Utd have been super successful in the last 10 years haven’t we?!
Maybe it is rocket science after all….. :rolleyes:
There are other trophies you know. City's and PSG's cabinets don't have much room for dust in them.

Silly argument just to make it about CLs.
 

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The 92 Foundation could be an SPV at this point. The members/contributors of the 'Foundation' have committed X amounts to this entity on the basis that Jassim wins the bid.
They will have allocated a budget on how much they can extract from the pledges.
As I said earlier, it's interesting that the two BOA guys who came over were from the telecoms, and media practice. This may give an indication of who the contributors to the Foundation may be. I can assume the Qatari property development players will be involved too.
I remember the reports did say the Qatari delegation has that specialist.
 

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So basically, we should adopt a model of buying our way to success to win more trophies than the competition ?
If the Qataris are dead set on buying a Premier League big club, then better us than them. Liverpool are an entirely different juggernaut compared to City and Newcastle on a global scale. They would be near unstoppable if the Qataris bought them.
 

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I remember the reports did say the Qatari delegation has that specialist.
That's why my educated guess is that it will be a project that consists of an ecosystem of partners/foundation members, albeit Qatari partners; that leverages Qatar's key strategic industries as either a gateway into the Gulf or developments into the Manchester, particularly the SW parts of Manchester. This diversification -- over a 5-10yrs span allows him to reduce the risks of just buying United just as a footballing entity.

Commercially & financially the synergy between Jassim & his access to Qatari partnerships with the Glazers is much better than with a petro-chem conglomerate. They could be offering the Glazers a sweetener into the Gulf. Win-win scenario.
The Glazers are already expanding sporting activities like cricket's T20 in the Emirates. Why not commercial?
 
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How fecked would PSG be if we get bought by Qatar?
It wouldnt surprise me if the Qataris started to slowly sell PSG, if they get Utd. Its obviously not worked buying the best players they can get for the Ch Lge, which is the prime target for them.
The French league is obviously a backwater compared to the English, Spanish, German and Italian as well, so the fact they generally win the league is the same as Celtic, but with hundreds of millions more spent.
Winning the Premier frequently will carry much more kudos, with the Ch Lge being a bonus.
 

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The reason why Sheikh Jassim wasn’t there for those wondering.
Loving the fact they caught train to Manchester and him using the phrase looking under the bonnet. Doesn't Yasir Shah play test cricket for Pakistan.
 

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Can't believe the Glazers after all these years of leeching off the club are gonna walk away with multiple billions. Makes me sick.
These are real "thieves and robbers" but we can't do anything about it. UK government allowed this kind of ownership built on absolute greed and funded by American greed system (now banned).

This is the reason I support Qatar ownership because they focus to improve the club, promise to clear the club's debts and invest in infrastructure. At the very least they will not hold us back in term of transfers like what we faced this year with Weghorst and Sabizter.
 

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It's not the British Press, it's one publication which Ratcliffe has in his pocket. He is clearly giving the Telegraph briefings in exchange for favourable coverage.

The same can be said for the Daily Mail and the Qataris.
Yeah Ducker and Morgan are Ratcliffe fans
 

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Can't believe the Glazers after all these years of leeching off the club are gonna walk away with multiple billions. Makes me sick.
Yep but that's just the privilege that comes with being rich - screw up many many times and yet fall upwards into wealth.

That's just how life is and accept it instead of getting upset about it.
 

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That's why my educated guess is that it will be a project that consists of an ecosystem of partners/foundation members, albeit Qatari partners; that leverages Qatar's key strategic industries as either a gateway into the Gulf or developments into the Manchester, particularly the SW parts of Manchester. This diversification -- over a 5-10yrs span allows him to reduce the risks of just buying United just as a footballing entity.

Commercially & financially the synergy between Jassim & his access to Qatari partnerships is much better than with a petro-chem conglomerate. And offering the Glazers a sweetener into the Gulf. The Glazers are already expanding sporting activities like cricket's T20 in the Emirates. Why not commercial?
Yes. It’s obvious that multiple parties prefer this happening, including Manchester and British government.
 

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I find it odd that Jassim didn't show up, considering he's supposedly a massive United fan

you'd think he'd be excited to be involved and be there

and to all the business experts about to tell me this isn't how billionaire's do business, spare me
 

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Hopefully this won't happen, it'd be a mess :lol:
Law of averages. Ask enough people and they will find the correct answer. Doesn't work in this context


Edit: from wiki
The wisdom of the crowd is the collective opinion of a diverse independent group of individuals rather than that of a single expert. This process, while not new to the Information Age, has been pushed into the mainstream spotlight by social information sites such as Quora, Reddit, Stack Exchange, Wikipedia, Yahoo! Answers, and other web resources which rely on collective human knowledge.[1] An explanation for this phenomenon is that there is idiosyncratic noise associated with each individual judgment, and taking the average over a large number of responses will go some way toward canceling the effect of this noise.[2

It was in 1906 that Galton made his discovery of what is known as the wisdom of crowds. He attended a farmers' fair in Plymouth where he was intrigued by a weight guessing contest. The goal was to guess the weight of an ox when it was butchered and dressed. Around 800 people entered the contest and wrote their guesses on tickets. The person who guessed closest to the butchered weight of the ox won a prize.


After the contest Galton took the tickets and ran a statistical analysis on them. He discovered that the average guess of all the entrants was remarkably close to the actual weight of the butchered ox. In fact it was under by only 1lb for an ox that weighed 1,198 lbs. This collective guess was not only better than the actual winner of the contest but also better than the guesses made by cattle experts at the fair. It seemed that democracy of thought could produce amazing results
 
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Yes. It’s obvious that multiple parties prefer this happening, including Manchester and British government.
Thats why the game has shifted up a gear in terms of ownership, geo-political implications etc. The PL is the victim of its own success. It was inevitable.
 

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Lets be honest. We've been doing that since the inception of the premier league. We used to be the ones breaking transfer records each summer.

But the status quo has changed over the last 10 years.
Simply not true, we broke the British transfer record in 93 to sign Keane for £3.75m (broken by Sutton a year later) and then to sign Cole in Jan 95 for £7m (broken by Collymore 6 months later). Blackburn, Liverpool and Newcastle were all bigger spenders than us in the 90's. We spent alot of money in the early 00's on players like van Nistelrooy, Veron and Ferdinand, but we'd already established ourselves as the dominant domestic club by then.
 

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If this fan voting thing is true then we are totally sunk. Why don't these idiots realise a team cannot be bought and sold. It is city buying the league that makes them think it is easy. City completely and utterly copied Barcelona's infrastructure, down to the personnel, top to bottom. If they didn't spend 3bn to copy another successful club they wouldn't have won a thing. You need a model
 
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