I'm glad that the club don't value where a players family is over their quality.
Danny Welbeck
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Which is why I said "complement". But yes, like I said, it's the only reason I can think of, and it's not a very good one.
Keep on starting him Wenger. It's all good for the rivals.
Some of the comments about him on Arsenal Mania:
@SirMattBugsby
Wrong thread. Thought it was the la liga thread as I was watching RM-Valencia.
Wrong thread. Thought it was the la liga thread as I was watching RM-Valencia.
I've had a sneaky look on their forums and their fans hate him.
Such a shame really as everything he does in the build up play is fantastic, but give him a chance or even a half chance and he misses nearly every time.
I will never forgive him for his one on one miss against Bayern.
Such a shame really as everything he does in the build up play is fantastic, but give him a chance or even a half chance and he misses nearly every time.
I will never forgive him for his one on one miss against Bayern.
His biggest issue is his legs will give way once he enters the penalty box.
He's shite. Always has been.
End of story.
End of story.
I don't think a player has left that I have forgotten faster than Welbeck. He simply is a long way off United standard and Arsenal were crazy to buy him, albeit they got him relatively cheap.
The striker position requires quality. We question whether Martial or Rashford have the consistency and yet they are about 10 times more talented and effective than Welbeck as a start point. This tells you all you need to know.
Someone said Welbeck is Newcastle standard. I'm not convinced he is even Premier league standard. Certainly not as a striker. As a winger maybe because he has pace and can take on players, but even then he'd just be a ball carrier because I don't recall seeing any crossing qualities.
The striker position requires quality. We question whether Martial or Rashford have the consistency and yet they are about 10 times more talented and effective than Welbeck as a start point. This tells you all you need to know.
Someone said Welbeck is Newcastle standard. I'm not convinced he is even Premier league standard. Certainly not as a striker. As a winger maybe because he has pace and can take on players, but even then he'd just be a ball carrier because I don't recall seeing any crossing qualities.
From F365:
LVG did a huge favour for us by getting 20m for him and weakening one of the top 4 teams 
Love it
What those idiots thought he'd start doing? Scoring? Really?
"Its hard to stay mad at him because he works hard but his abilities are limited (in premier league striker terms) Ferguson used him as a wide player to nullify opposition teams through work rate."
I'd say in general football terms, his cluelessness would be apparent wherever he'd play. As if the demands in a premier league striker are of another dimension.
I'd say in general football terms, his cluelessness would be apparent wherever he'd play. As if the demands in a premier league striker are of another dimension.This is a bit of a myth now. I mean "fantastic", for real ?
Yeah that utterly false cliché has been bandied about on here for years now. Even the posts on the Arsenal Mania confirm that his hold up play etc is poor. Also, is this really the kind of stats that a player that is 'fantastic' in the build up play should have:
Fantastic compared to his finishing surely.
This post pretty much sums it up.
It is similar to what people say about Darmian's defensive abilities and Lingard's movement. The common theme seems to be that they are poor players who do some things slightly less poorly and therefore posters latch onto that and hype it up.
This.
I've always said he is the same level as Shola Ameobi, but It looks like I am going to proved wrong, as he isn't even that good.
Someone on here tried to insult him by saying he is a Heskey level striker a couple of months ago, but Heskey was and still is twice the striker he is.
I remember he used the media the summer SAF left stating that he wanted out even before he had started working with Moyes. Kinda like Rooney's "angry and confused" message. When did this meeting with Woodward take place?
The next Henry.
He'll end up at Stoke or WBA
The summer LVG took over (when he was sold).
United's Welbeck > Arsenal's Welbeck imo. He was a useful rotation/utility player here.
Shit team dynamics get the worst of players.
Shit team dynamics get the worst of players.
Hes regressed under Wegner. Hes no longer a nurturer of young players he once was. Theres been not one young player thats gone to Arsenal in recent years and lived up to their potential. There may have been glimpses but they havent been able to sustain.
Welbeck was so much better at United and just needed regular football, which was what he was expected to get at Arsenal. He joined the wrong North London club, imo.
Welbeck was so much better at United and just needed regular football, which was what he was expected to get at Arsenal. He joined the wrong North London club, imo.
Fergie can make some utter trash players look premier league caliber. He took a squad with Cleverley, Anderson, Welbeck, Buttner etc to PL champions on a canter.
It's the same myth lingard has with his "movement"
It's the sound of straw being clutched
So he made some noises that he wanted out the year before, presumably due to wanting the striker role instead of sacrificing himself for the sake of the team. Which he even admitted himself, although he tried to portray it like he would help the team more from a striker position. So it wasn't all LVG forcing him out was it?
Lots of people defend him by saying he is not a goal scorer.
What fecking use is he then? He's playing upfront and he doesn't score. Unless he's prime Drogba bring others into play he's making the team play with ten men.
What fecking use is he then? He's playing upfront and he doesn't score. Unless he's prime Drogba bring others into play he's making the team play with ten men.
This is my point of view: The year before he made noise about where he wanted to be played, but never wanted out. This was the Moyes year, when pretty much our whole side was unhappy managed by that clown! Then the summer came, we brought in Falcoa and had an offer from Arsenal and we decided to force him out and cash in.
To be fair it doesn't make a difference. In hindsight it was good business as he hasn't fulfilled his potential. Just annoying when I hear fans saying 'feck him' etc when he really did want to stay!
The reports came out even before Moyes took over that summer so you can't really blame LvG and Moyes solely on this. He even admitted that he had been thinking about leaving for over a year when he left for Arsenal for "his own good". From the outside it looked like "play me in my favourite position or I'll leave" - and can you blame both managers for going for the latter considering how little Welbeck had shown in that role up to that point, and especially the competition up at the time (Rooney, RvP, Chicharito and later Falcao - all players more capable of being a striker than Danny)? He may have wanted to stay but on his terms.
The only part I was sad about was we didn't milk Arsenal enough on the deal. He was an English player, not always injured and was always playing thanks to Moyes love for a local player.
The market for English players was much higher than the odd 16M or 18M we got from Arsenal.
The market for English players was much higher than the odd 16M or 18M we got from Arsenal.
Thanks LVG
I don't think he is. He can be a useful squad player in a certain tactical match. He will never lead your frontline but he can contribute. The problem with Arsenal is, their lack of harmony and lack of organization make their players look worse than they really are. I am not suggesting, other than Alexis and maybe Ozil, any of their players are world class players but most of them can perform better.
Good player bad goal scorer. Should have stayed to be the the new Ji Sung Park.
Shows up for England at least.
Shows up for England at least.
Defensive striker - he's a player who can be tactically useful at times but who should never be leading the line. SAF knew how to get the best out of him; Wenger doesn't.
Think it's a belief issue. Some players have that self-belief, some don't. He's got all the attributes, but never got his head right. Wenger, and the general state of that squad aren't helping.
Should do a Moses and convert to a right wing back. Some players should face reality and acknowledge that they aren't good forwards and Welbeck is one of them.
Wow.. brilliant! Although I hate laughing at ex players but I couldn't control