[RussellWilson]

There was a moment near the end of the game where we were trying to create some pressure and West Ham hoofed the ball forward into the empty space. Any other keeper would have raced out of their goal up to the half way line and swept up the loose ball to get things moving quickly. Not De Gea. Instead there were two United players sprinting back to collect the ball. You could say it was a minor thing, but it was infuriating.

Was at the game. He gingerly jogged up the pitch, while two players had to haul ass to get there.

Coward in every sense of the word.

 

[Adnan]

There was a moment near the end of the game where we were trying to create some pressure and West Ham hoofed the ball forward into the empty space. Any other keeper would have raced out of their goal up to the half way line and swept up the loose ball to get things moving quickly. Not De Gea. Instead there were two United players sprinting back to collect the ball. You could say it was a minor thing, but it was infuriating.

I've become immune to that, sadly.

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[Jurgen Plopp]

Luke Shaw punched that corner clear at Brighton easily enough, maybe we could try him in net?

 

[united for life]

He's one of the main (but many) reasons we've been so shit in the last few years.

…and he’s being rewarded with a new contract. With a salary cut, fine, but he’s willingly chosen to continue. That’s a problem we’ve had for years now. Accepting mediocrity. How can we challenge for the title with this mentality?

 

[FootyGirl88]

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[Raoul]

His howler only masks the obvious reality that our attack is the real culprit why we're dropping points. That is on the manager.

 

[bosnian_red]

The amount of games we've thrown away and bottled because of this cowardly goalkeeper over the past 5 years is fecking infuriating. He is garbage. Not a single other premier league club would want him, yet we are entertaining extending him. feck how I hope his greed with his contract fecks him over and he ends up leaving. Useless.

 

[bosnian_red]

His howler only masks the obvious reality that our attack is the real culprit why we're dropping points. That is on the manager.

Is it on the manager that our forward options going into this season were Ronaldo and Martial, and then Weghorst to just be an extra body? Its the clubs fault for not recruiting better in the past to be in this situation now, the clubs fault for deciding to get Ronaldo in 2021, leading to this.

 

[Raoul]

Is it on the manager that our forward options going into this season were Ronaldo and Martial, and then Weghorst to just be an extra body? Its the clubs fault for not recruiting better in the past to be in this situation now, the clubs fault for deciding to get Ronaldo in 2021, leading to this.

Yes it is on ETH. He had resources and bought the likes of Antony when we could've bought a proper striker. He took a massive gamble and lost. It happens.

 

[croadyman]

The guy is an absolute liability. If we renew his contract then it shows we've learnt nothing and I'm convinced it will cost ETH his job.

Won't be surprised if he costs us top 4 in the run in, again

Remember that Chelsea fumble in Ole's first season to absolutely gift a goal to Alonso

 

[Adnan]

Is it on the manager that our forward options going into this season were Ronaldo and Martial, and then Weghorst to just be an extra body? Its the clubs fault for not recruiting better in the past to be in this situation now, the clubs fault for deciding to get Ronaldo in 2021, leading to this.

Agreed. Ronaldo and DDG already occupying the striker and keeper positions were always going to be a problem for him. And predictably both have caused problems for him.

And like the Glazers were going to allow him to sign another striker on top of Ronaldo.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

If he's still here next season as the #1, I'd lose all hope in ETH.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

It’s possible to win the league without a good striker, but you can’t win the league with a bad keeper. Too important and De Gea is not good enough anymore.

 

[Adnan]

Whether he's here or not, I believe a goalkeeper will arrive to take the #1 spot.

I think he's been offered a backup keeper contract, which he might not accept.

 

[klayton88]

Whether he's here or not, I believe a goalkeeper will arrive to take the #1 spot.

I think he's been offered a backup keeper contract, which he might not accept.

Knowing our luck Harry will take the new keeper out in training and we'll be back to square one. Our number two should be a young up and coming keeper.

 

[bosnian_red]

Yes it is on ETH. He had resources and bought the likes of Antony when we could've bought a proper striker. He took a massive gamble and lost. It happens.

We needed a RW and needed a ST. Yeah would've been better off getting Isak or someone instead and getting Antony this summer. I think Antony has been improving and has big potential. Goals not following but his game has been improving. Either way, I don't think transfer decisions are something that should be focused on the manager. No functional club does that. They all have input yes, but they shouldn't be responsible for it. He came into a club that had Ronaldo on 500k and Martial on 275k. He wasn't exactly capable of doing much in our CF department. The club should have ditched de Gea years ago.

There are specialists dedicated to deciding on transfers and contracts. Using that as a criticism for if a manager should be somewhere or not is just setting up for failure IMO. I think generally we are working on it and it made sense going with his recommendations as it was all new, but his job is coaching the players he has and then implementing a system that given the right players, could reach the top. Because most managers are incapable of that even if their ideal players.

 

[Shane88]

That pass to Antonio at the start of the second half was staggering. A simple, simple 10 yard pass and he can't do it.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Whether he's here or not, I believe a goalkeeper will arrive to take the #1 spot.

I think he's been offered a backup keeper contract, which he might not accept.

I honestly think you're being extremely hopeful with that.

I don't think the club would do that to not 'disrespect' him like that. He probably got offered the #1 role with a pay-cut.

 

[bosnian_red]

Whether he's here or not, I believe a goalkeeper will arrive to take the #1 spot.

I think he's been offered a backup keeper contract, which he might not accept.

Hope you are right. I'm so sick of seeing de Gea. His flopping at slight contact and hoping the ref bails him out, being incapable of passing it out from the back, the constant mistakes, being literally targeted with every single aspect of his game... Set pieces, every team just crowds him. You don't see that with other teams, because most goalkeepers are competent and can deal with it. They target him and the way he plays out from the back. It's such a dumb idea to keep him as a starter, so I really hope you are right. Hell even Dean Henderson will be better at this point.

 

[bosnian_red]

I honestly think you're being extremely hopeful with that.

I don't think the club would do that to not 'disrespect' him like that. He probably got offered the #1 role with a pay-cut.

It's sad that it's definitely true the club offers contracts out of "respect" and "sentimentality" and not out of if the player actually deserves it. Only reason to explain guys like Jones still being here. Will take time to fix it all, so hopefully we do, but I'm very nervous on the de Gea situation. Won't be the end of the world but we'd take a massive step if he were to be replaced.

 

[Adnan]

Knowing our luck Harry will take the new keeper out in training and we'll be back to square one. Our number two should be a young up and coming keeper.

Young up and coming keepers don't join to be #2. I think if we sign a young up and coming keeper, he will come in to be #1. And I think ten Hag wants DDG to stick around until the new keeper settles in and also due to DDG reportedly being a positive influence in the dressing room.

 

[Adnan]

I honestly think you're being extremely hopeful with that.

I don't think the club would do that to not 'disrespect' him like that. He probably got offered the #1 role with a pay-cut.

I will be very suprised if DDG is our #1 next season.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

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Next season a write off then

I wouldn't be surprised if we offer him 50k-60k pw wages to be no 2 and DDG decided to say no.

 

[Zlatattack]

Too many shit performances. His heads gone.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

I wouldn't be surprised if we offer him 50k-60k pw wages to be no 2 and DDG decided to say no.

There was a rumor that he turned down our 200k/week offer, which is lunacy if true because he won't get half of that anywhere else

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I will be very suprised if DDG is our #1 next season.

I hope you're right.

I can't stand him anymore.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Yes it is on ETH. He had resources and bought the likes of Antony when we could've bought a proper striker. He took a massive gamble and lost. It happens.

ETH had said this before that the budget is organised by the director or the board not him. He picked the players, the directors could just say no he's too expensive and we can have alternatives recommended by scouts. It's more the board and scouting teams' fault. An example: Arsenal board or sporting director said no to Arteta for spending 100m on Caicedo. City board or sporting director said no to Pep for spending 80m on Maguire or 150m on Kane.

 

[Raoul]

ETH had said this before that the budget is organised by the director or the board not him. He picked the players, the directors could just say no he's too expensive and we have other targets. It's more the board and scouting teams' fault. An example: Arsenal board said no to Arteta for spending 100m on Caicedo. City board said no to Pep for spending 80m on Maguire or 150m on Kane.

Ordinarily I would agree, but in the case of Antony, ETH was obviously just going for a nepotism hire (of sorts).

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Ordinarily I would agree, but in the case of Antony, ETH was obviously just going for a nepotism hire (of sorts).

Managers will pick players that he thinks fits. If City sporting director able to stop Pep to buy Maguire for 80m, why are we not able to do the same on Antony?

 

[tentan]

Had enough, he has to go.

 

[Raoul]

Had enough, he has to go.

Tony Soprano, is that you ?

 

[Adnan]

Hope you are right. I'm so sick of seeing de Gea. His flopping at slight contact and hoping the ref bails him out, being incapable of passing it out from the back, the constant mistakes, being literally targeted with every single aspect of his game... Set pieces, every team just crowds him. You don't see that with other teams, because most goalkeepers are competent and can deal with it. They target him and the way he plays out from the back. It's such a dumb idea to keep him as a starter, so I really hope you are right. Hell even Dean Henderson will be better at this point.

I agree.

Like I said above, I'll be surprised if DDG is still our #1 next season. EtH will obviously defend his players in public, which was normal for him even at Ajax. And even I'd be defending DDG if I was in ten Hag's shoes.

The only thing that annoys me slightly is that we had Ronaldo at the club when ten Hag arrived and hence we couldn't sign a striker. So giving Ronaldo a chance was the only option. And then on top of all that Mason wasn't available, which compounded things even further when Ronaldo spat his dummy out of his mouth.

I'm fully behind ten Hag and the key to having a functional team is to raise the technical level of the players in the first phase of the build up. We do need a striker but a proactive goalkeeper also has the potential to improve our attacking capabilities in a big way.

 

[Raoul]

Managers will pick players that he thinks fits. If City sporting director able to stop Pep to buy Maguire for 80m, why are we not able to do the same on Antony?

Obviously because we wanted to give ETH the benefit of the doubt after having just hired him. He was a bit too over-reliant on Ajax players imo.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Obviously because we wanted to give ETH the benefit of the doubt after having just hired him. He was a bit too over-reliant on Ajax players imo.

That's not on ETH then, that's on the board and scouts for not able to see how much you can do with 80m. If Antony cost only 30m-40m, we won't have this discussion.

 

[Raoul]

That's not on ETH then, that's on the board and scouts for not able to see how much you can do with 80m. If Antony cost only 30m-40m, we won't have this discussion.

No its actually on ETH. He chose players he already knew. There's nothing the scouts could've done if the manager was hellbent on buying former Ajax players he was already familiar with.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

No its actually on ETH. He chose players he already knew. There's nothing the scouts could've done if the manager was hellbent on buying former Ajax players he was already familiar with.

He chose the players because the scouts unable to give the players that fits his profile. The scouts have been incompetence for years given how many deadwoods we had signed.

As for the sporting director, he can easily do what Edu did with Arteta to tell him don't spend 100m on Caicedo, and use that money elsewhere in the summer.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Care to point out where I lied?

He got dropped for Romero but he had some clangers himself, against Swansea if I remember and De Gea got back in.

Valdes game in but fell out with LVG over not attending a reserves game and left, but Van Gaal definitely wanted him for his passing out ability.

Well you're changing the whole narrative of what actually happened.

Van Gaal only played Romero because at the time De Gea wanted out, as soon as the the transfer window was shut De Gea became our starting GK.

As for Valdes, he had 2 appearances at different points, one was when he replaced an injured De Gea against Arsenal and the other was a dead rubber game against Hull in our second last game of the season. For Valdes it was a chance to complete his rehabilitation from a knee injury after 8 months and to work his way back to fitness.

Say what you want about De Gea now but 2014-2016 he was genuinely a very good goalkeeper.

 

[bosnian_red]

Agreed. Ronaldo and DDG already occupying the striker and keeper positions were always going to be a problem for him. And predictably both have caused problems for him.

And like the Glazers were going to allow him to sign another striker on top of Ronaldo.

Yup. To me it was clear that Ten Hag did all he could to get rid last summer, Glazers didn't want to sell Ronaldo, and there was clearly no space for another player there. So best case was survive the season and address this summer. De Gea it is less clear if he actually likes him.. I can't imagine why beyond "morale reasons", but no way should he be playing.

 

[Raoul]

He chose the players because the scouts unable to give the players that fits his profile. The scouts have been incompetence for years given how many deadwoods we had signed.

As for the sporting director, he can easily do what Edu did with Arteta to tell him don't spend 100m on Caicedo, and use that money elsewhere in the summer.

We don't know that. He could've just as well arrived and said I want Antony, Malacia, and De Jong, and in De Jong's absence, lets see if we can get Casemiro. Scouts wouldn't have been able to do anything about that, nor would a DOF. The club gave ETH broad latitude to pursue the players he wanted, and he did.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

That's actually correct.

Valdez and Van Gaal fell out over something, which cut short Valdez' stay at the club. I think it might have been due to Valdez being late to training or something?

Valdes refused to play a U21 friendly.