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Bill said:I've never seen their show, or been interested in the slightest. I feel like I absorb everything I need to know from your comments.
DOTA said:I rely on Steve to keep me up to date.
Bill said:I've never seen their show, or been interested in the slightest. I feel like I absorb everything I need to know from your comments.
DOTA said:I rely on Steve to keep me up to date.
It could be although with Django I knew it was always anti slave owner and not anti whiteFear thou not, for I am not under the impression this will be like Django Unchained.
Seriously though, I'm not sure what you meant by that. It's a satirical comedy film from 2014 that's being made into a TV-series by Netflix, keeping the same title.
I don't doubt that being born white is advantageous in some respects, but that does not, as a point of principle mean that holding prejudicial views towards a person who is white is any more morally justifiable than a person who has white skin holding prejudicial views against people who do not.Doubt it. As far as I know they were all poor.
There is no reverse. The past happened and its effects are still very real today. To be born white is still an advantage. To be mocked for being white is not the same as to be mocked for being black.
The rape joke would likely affect the person who is a rape survivor more than someone who has not experienced it.Ok my last point on this:
If you were to make a crass rape joke to two people, one who had experience of being raped and one who hadn't, would it not carry different levels of offense? Does the historic context then dictate how something is received regardless of how you meant it?
So if you start to think about how something is received instead of how it was intended, maybe the differences are more clear.
Dean Fairbanks: Your show is racist.
Sam White: Black people can't be racist. Prejudice, yes, but not racist. Racism describes a system of disadvantage based on race. Black people can't be racist since we don't stand to benefit from such a system.
*rambles on though no-one is reading*
Actually, Kim's recent comments about racism were quite frankly unbelievable and, to everyone's surprise, grounded in self-interest. The Kardashians, bar Caitlyn, have always desperately yearned to be black...but only temporarily, and in the manner of the anti-heroine of Pulp's Common People. The comments were more-or-less like this:
Martin Luther Kim: "Until I became Kanye'sbeardwife, I didn't realise that he was black. This one time, a white guy said something mean to him, and I cried. We as white people should never forget how we stole their teepees. As Malcom Eggs once said: 'No matter what they take from me, they can't take away my jewellery.' Or something like that. Don't do drugs. Hashtag."
I'm confused over this. What is the system of disadvantage? And why can't black people benefit from a system like this? If we are talking about institutional power then it is not like there aren't black people who hold institutional power.Sam White: Black people can't be racist. Prejudice, yes, but not racist. Racism describes a system of disadvantage based on race. Black people can't be racist since we don't stand to benefit from such a system.
TaglineI'm so sick of being discriminated against as a straight white male.
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Nail on head.I assumed it was satire. Racism (even against white people) has come a long way and is hell of a lot more insidious.
Don't know why /TheDonald and other right-wingers are so annoyed anyway - surely they're not the sensitive special snowflakes in the world, are they?
Why do white people "deserve" to be on the end of racism? Most have little to do with how their ancestors thought about black people.Comedy is supposed to make you feel a bit uncomfortable. The best stuff pushes the limits of acceptability and sometimes goes beyond.
Plus, white people deserve to be on the end of a bit of racism.
How did the white farmers obtain the land in the first place?@bucky
I'm confused over this. What is the system of disadvantage? And why can't black people benefit from a system like this? If we are talking about institutional power then it is not like there aren't black people who hold institutional power.
This might be a bad example but Robert Mugabe took away land from white farmers, is this an act of racism as he used institutional power to disadvantage certain people based on the colour of their skin, and didn't black people in Zimbabwe benefit from this by receiving land?
Their ancestors for lack of a better word stole it. However it was their ancestor which did it. Do two wrongs make a right in this case? I don't know. I'm not sure how land ownership worked in Zimbabwe prior to colonialism but I'll certain land belonged to certain tribes, was the right land given to the right people (i.e. the descendants of those who land was taken)?How did the white farmers obtain the land in the first place?
You seriously go with that line of thinking, when Jeff Sessions was just confirmed?@bucky
I'm confused over this. What is the system of disadvantage? And why can't black people benefit from a system like this? If we are talking about institutional power then it is not like there aren't black people who hold institutional power.
This might be a bad example but Robert Mugabe took away land from white farmers, is this an act of racism as he used institutional power to disadvantage certain people based on the colour of their skin, and didn't black people in Zimbabwe benefit from this by receiving land?
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This has been the situation for around a month, let's not just forget the last 8 years where there was a black president. Did Obama use his power to disadvantage or discriminate against white people? No of course not, but could he have? It's possible. If racism is dependent on location then we cannot say things like "black people cannot be racist" but rather "Black people in America cannot be racist". I could look for more examples of black people who hold institutional power, but the first one who comes to mind is Clarence Thomas. I know black people hold less institutional power than white people in America but saying black people don't hold it is untrue.You seriously go with that line of thinking, when Jeff Sessions was just confirmed?
Or when you see this?
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How many more examples like the one you named can you provide? I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing there aren't as many white people actually suffering from racism (or have suffered) compared to other ethnicities. It obviously depends what part of the world you're in or what century. For example Asian Americans can suffer from racism in the US, while African Americans could suffer from racism in China. But this an American show, so it will obviously will prioritise what's going on in the Western world.
Their ancestor's did it but they're still benefiting from it. Black natives became tenants or worked on the farms themselves. White farmers often had the land which was rich and fertile and received the most waterfall, then would segregate themselves from black natives too.Their ancestors for lack of a better word stole it. However it was their ancestor which did it. Do two wrongs make a right in this case? I don't know. I'm not sure how land ownership worked in Zimbabwe prior to colonialism but I'll certain land belonged to certain tribes, was the right land given to the right people (i.e. the descendants of those who land was taken)?
No worries I'm only taking the piss myself.I was being deliberately obtuse. I apologise.
I can understand that, but going back to what I was saying before is this not an instance of somebody using institutional power to discriminate against another race?Their ancestor's did it but they're still benefiting from it. Black natives became tenants or worked on the farms themselves. White farmers often had the land which was rich and fertile and received the most waterfall, then would segregate themselves from black natives too.
Not saying that what Mugabe did was right, but I don't really have much sympathy either
As long as minorities exist, racism exists. So, yes a black person can be racist even though in Africa it's more about ethnicism than racism.I can understand that, but going back to what I was saying before is this not an instance of somebody using institutional power to discriminate against another race?
Maybe this is a better example but Idi Amin used his power to expel Indians from Uganda, is this not an example of a black person being racist?
Seriously? Obama was one man. Congress, Senate etc etc.This has been the situation for around a month, let's not just forget the last 8 years where there was a black president. Did Obama use his power to disadvantage or discriminate against white people? No of course not, but could he have? It's possible. If racism is dependent on location then we cannot say things like "black people cannot be racist" but rather "Black people in America cannot be racist". I could look for more examples of black people who hold institutional power, but the first one who comes to mind is Clarence Thomas. I know black people hold less institutional power than white people in America but saying black people don't hold it is untrue.
Put it like this.I can understand that, but going back to what I was saying before is this not an instance of somebody using institutional power to discriminate against another race?
Maybe this is a better example but Idi Amin used his power to expel Indians from Uganda, is this not an example of a black person being racist?
One man but the most powerful man, like I said white people hold the majority of power but there was a black person with probably the most institutional power an individual can hold in America.Seriously? Obama was one man. Congress, Senate etc etc.
Also Obama didn't want to discriminate against white people, whereas you have plenty of white people in places of power in America who seek to discriminate.
If it can happen even it seldom happens then it means black people can be racist and have been racist. I'm just arguing with what Sam White said. It might sound I'm like I'm nitpicking but I believe you have to be precise when talking of issues like this.Put it like this.
We can point to individual instances where black person holds power over another and uses that power to deny that other person rights to whatever it is.
Yes it happens, yes it's possible, but realistically how often does it happen? How many people does it impact? Is this a recurring theme? (Mugabe even invited the white farmers back )
Now on a much larger scale, historically the people in power globally have been white. Law makers, law enforcers, job creators, job givers, loan givers etc.
So with that being said, black people using their power to deny white people rights is possible, but if it happens so infrequently is it really worth diverting the conversation? Especially since people of colour continue to be victims of racism?
Was looking for the white textComedy is supposed to make you feel a bit uncomfortable. The best stuff pushes the limits of acceptability and sometimes goes beyond.
Plus, white people deserve to be on the end of a bit of racism.
I too think that being left out of being discriminated against is discriminationI'm so sick of being discriminated against as a straight white male.
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So, semantics? That's your issue here?This has been the situation for around a month, let's not just forget the last 8 years where there was a black president. Did Obama use his power to disadvantage or discriminate against white people? No of course not, but could he have? It's possible. If racism is dependent on location then we cannot say things like "black people cannot be racist" but rather "Black people in America cannot be racist". I could look for more examples of black people who hold institutional power, but the first one who comes to mind is Clarence Thomas. I know black people hold less institutional power than white people in America but saying black people don't hold it is untrue.
What's wrong with the black text? Racist!Was looking for the white text
What's wrong with the black text? Racist!
You think that's funny? SnowjoeflakeCan we make using the word snowflake a bannable offense.
Like I said - is it worth diverting the conversation?If it can happen even it seldom happens then it means black people can be racist and have been racist. I'm just arguing with what Sam White said. It might sound I'm like I'm nitpicking but I believe you have to be precise when talking of issues like this.
Bravo. The movie, and I imagine the TV show as well, deals in that fashion with the theme.What's wrong with the black text? Racist!
No no noYou think that's funny? Snowjoeflake
I'd actually be fine with that*points* SnowJ Simpson!
Sorry - couldn't resist the bad pun.