simplyared
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Most overrated player in the PL and got a nasty streak in him!
Gerrard was the best player at the club at his age and an automatic starter for England and always seen as one of the brightest ever midfield talents in English football. Alli is far closer to David Platt than to Gerrard. It's a non comparison.Did Gerrard and Lampard have his vision and final ball? He's definitely more of a real #10 than either of them i agree, but to say he's not a patch on them....were they even this good at his age?
Lingard is a late bloomer, SAF called it. Alli is playing 1st team football for Tottenham, despite their good form the last 4 seasons, they are still a small club punching above their level and can afford to accommodate an average player with good stats. But the moment he goes to a big club were he'd be asked to do a lot more, like Lingard and Lukaku, his flaws will be exposed.He’s miles ahead of Lingard.
There’s a reason why he was playing first team football in the Premier League at the age of 19 and Lingard was on loan in the lower leagues until he was halfway through his 23rd year.
He's a vile little bastard. He's shown his true character a number of times playing against us, with some really vicious 'tackles' and generally acting like a total wanker.Most overrated player in the PL and got a nasty streak in him!
Player are asked to do a lot more at United than at Spurs? What utter tripe.Lingard is a late bloomer, SAF called it. Alli is playing 1st team football for Tottenham, despite their good form the last 4 seasons, they are still a small club punching above their level and can afford to accommodate an average player with good stats. But the moment he goes to a big club were he'd be asked to do a lot more, like Lingard and Lukaku, his flaws will be exposed.
Yes, at United players and managers are asked to win trophies playing attractive football.Player are asked to do a lot more at United than at Spurs? What utter tripe.
So are you telling me that you seriously believe that Spurs players are not asked to win trophies? Is that what you really think? Please tell me this is a pure wind-up.Yes, at United players and managers are asked to win trophies playing attractive football.
Actually at United players are asked to win trophies, at Spurs it's not a priority.
Winning trophies is a bonus for Spurs players and managers, reason why you see Pochetinho as second come to Jesus.So are you telling me that you seriously believe that Spurs players are not asked to win trophies? Is that what you really think? Please tell me this is a pure wind-up.
I thought Spurs go into games to put the pressure on?So are you telling me that you seriously believe that Spurs players are not asked to win trophies? Is that what you really think? Please tell me this is a pure wind-up.
You don't think that they go into every game trying to win? Or do you not think each player would have bonuses related to trophie wins, etc.?
Even Palace players go into games trying to win. But every club have its targets and Spurs targets are miles away from United's; a Top4 finish is deemed a success at Spurs, ffs.So are you telling me that you seriously believe that Spurs players are not asked to win trophies? Is that what you really think? Please tell me this is a pure wind-up.
You don't think that they go into every game trying to win? Or do you not think each player would have bonuses related to trophie wins, etc.?
Lingard is a late bloomer, SAF called it. Alli is playing 1st team football for Tottenham, despite their good form the last 4 seasons, they are still a small club punching above their level and can afford to accommodate an average player with good stats. But the moment he goes to a big club were he'd be asked to do a lot more, like Lingard and Lukaku, his flaws will be exposed.
Our target is to win the premier league and to win every competition we are in. We may be a bit away from actually achieving that but that is our target. Why on earth would a club that has finished in the top 3 for the last few seasons not aim to win it?Even Palace players go into games trying to win. But every club have its targets and Spurs targets are miles away from United's; a Top4 finish is deemed a success at Spurs, ffs.
Are they also asked to sit 10 points lower in the league table? Have they been asked to play in the Europa League next season?Yes, at United players and managers are asked to win trophies playing attractive football.
Actually at United players are asked to win trophies, at Spurs it's not a priority.
Yes, at United players and managers are asked to win trophies playing attractive football.
Actually at United players are asked to win trophies, at Spurs it's not a priority.
Thomas Muller played at a world class level for half a decade ffs yet you say it like it's something to be ashamed of.English Thomas Muller, you'll never convince me he's world class no matter how many goals he can score.
He's invisible most of the game nearly everytime, even when he gets on the score sheet.
So today I learned that a player might play worse because he is asked to win trophies while another can play well because he is asked to not win trophies. However, one player is not better than the other. In fact, a team can play well for 4 seasons, but because of reasons their players are worse than their performances.Lingard is a late bloomer, SAF called it. Alli is playing 1st team football for Tottenham, despite their good form the last 4 seasons, they are still a small club punching above their level and can afford to accommodate an average player with good stats. But the moment he goes to a big club were he'd be asked to do a lot more, like Lingard and Lukaku, his flaws will be exposed.
At United he'd be asked to do more like Lukaku is finding that his goals are not enough to make him an undisputed United player.
Oh my god I've never read so much tripe in my entire life. We can 'afford to accommodate an average player' can we? Spurs players are if anything expected to do more off the ball than United ones, not less. Alli is one of our most talented players on the ball and this season has been contributing far more than just stats.
What is he going to be asked to do at United that Pochettino doesn't ask of him? And don't talk shit about how United are 'expected to win trophies' because that is utterly irrelevant to how he would play on the field for you.
Spurs have consistently been a better team than United during the two players’ entire careers as first team players at those clubs.Lingard is a late bloomer, SAF called it. Alli is playing 1st team football for Tottenham, despite their good form the last 4 seasons, they are still a small club punching above their level and can afford to accommodate an average player with good stats. But the moment he goes to a big club were he'd be asked to do a lot more, like Lingard and Lukaku, his flaws will be exposed.
At United he'd be asked to do more like Lukaku is finding that his goals are not enough to make him an undisputed United player.
Muller has never been world class?Thomas Muller played at a world class level for half a decade ffs yet you say it like it's something to be ashamed of.
Do more than consistently scoring, assisting and putting in excellent performances in midfield at the top level for a better team?At United he'd be asked to do more like Lukaku is finding that his goals are not enough to make him an undisputed United player.
Hey man, they're looking for you in the Spurs new stadium thread.Are they also asked to sit 10 points lower in the league table? Have they been asked to play in the Europa League next season?
Were they asked to finish below Spurs for the majority of the last 5 seasons?
The utter tripe you've spouted … all in an attempt to somehow 'prove' that some Alli is not miles ahead of Lingard.
Going into a new season do you really think that Levy and his manager plan that the target is to win the PL, CL, FA and LC? Seriously? Do you really think the investment your club is making are from a club with great ambitions?Our target is to win the premier league and to win every competition we are in. We may be a bit away from actually achieving that but that is our target. Why on earth would a club that has finished in the top 3 for the last few seasons not aim to win it?
You my friend, you are struggling with a lot of confusions. United are failing to meet their primary targets for numerous reasons. Spurs are punching above their true level and this is obvious to all sane person who doesn't suffer from delusion.Are they also asked to sit 10 points lower in the league table? Have they been asked to play in the Europa League next season?
Were they asked to finish below Spurs for the majority of the last 5 seasons?
The utter tripe you've spouted … all in an attempt to somehow 'prove' that some Alli is not miles ahead of Lingard.
Your point is null when the player you re talking about comes from a better team ( at least atm) . Idk if you re just taking the pi**, but if not, you really need to start forming better opinions.At United he'd be asked to do more like Lukaku is finding that his goals are not enough to make him an undisputed United player.
Spurs play better football than we do at the moment. Lukaku would arguably look more out of place in their team than ours. The problem for Lukaku was the step up in quality, not expectations haha.At United he'd be asked to do more like Lukaku is finding that his goals are not enough to make him an undisputed United player.
Being a better team is different from having title ambitions.Spurs have consistently been a better team than United during the two players’ entire careers as first team players at those clubs.
Unless “late bloomer” Lingard peaks at 30, he’ll never be as good a player as Alli was at 19.
Muller is a creative player.Anybody else want to blatantly prove they've watched him in maximum 2-3 games this season?
He's been far from invisible in most games this season and has often been at the heart of our best performances. He's a very dangerous player and so often has been a match winner in the past. He's far from just a goalscorer and next to Eriksen is our most creative player, but we'll just ignore that in favour of this weird Thomas Muller comparison.
Most of the time, us football fans see our players with rose tinted glasses. If he was that good he wouldn't spark too much debate on his true level. Kane or De Bruyne for example are players universally accepted by every football fans around the world. He's at a club of his level.Because Lukaku has very limited technique in terms of basic ability to control a football. Alli has fantastic technique, Lukaku wouldn't be good enough for us either because he'd consistently feck up our attacking play .. it's a totally false comparison.
Alli is one of our best players on the ball. He regularly manages a lot of assists and has a fantastic understanding with Kane. Some of his through passes are absolutely beautiful. All he lacks is a bit more maturity and consistency, but that will come with age, he is still only 22 years old.
Tbf I would never want Müller in my team. He scores goals and is overall good but he simply is not the player I want. He is a player, who can score out of nowhere just for standing at the right position but feck me, that's not a "skill" I want in a top team. Same goes for Alli.Some absolute BS being written here. Thomas Muller average/mediocre? Multiple league titles, deep runs in the CL, an actual treble, and a World Cup winner, and the guy is average?
But what has he won?Alli is a fine young player and would do well at any club IMO