Nitsche
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Would not be surprised if this second infection again came from a break down in procedure when dealing with the patient.
Madagascar is way ahead of you!Maybe we should close our borders to anyone form Africa or the US for a year or two. Better safe than sorry.
Personally, if I worked on the guy with ebola, for the good of everyone else, I would probably cancel any travel or major events for 3 weeks to avoid exposing anyone in case I did have it.Tweet
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Mistakes in procedure at the hospital could possibly have put a lot of people at risk....
That's probably a bad idea. People would find unofficial ways to leave their country making them much harder to track down and there would be no screening procedures.Maybe we should close our borders to anyone form Africa or the US for a year or two. Better safe than sorry.
Check this link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/24/us-health-ebola-congodemocratic-idUSKBN0GO0R520140824I was reading the timeline here: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/ebola-epidemic-2014-timeline
Can anyone tell me about the 2nd strain. Is it in the wild? Is it as deadly. How have there been two different outbreaks simultaniously (within a year). Or are there always outbreaks, and is it just our main strain being so infectious and deadly that's causing problems
I've done some virus inactivation work but not using high heat. How sensitive is Ebola to heat? Couldn't improper cooking mean cold on the inside and burned to a crisp on the outside? You are probably right though that cross contamination is the likely culprit. Given how full PTE is not 100% with a minor mistake I would imagine handling a contaminated animal and then touching your eye etc could be enough.That's probably a bad idea. People would find unofficial ways to leave their country making them much harder to track down and there would be no screening procedures.
Check this link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/24/us-health-ebola-congodemocratic-idUSKBN0GO0R520140824
There are 5 knows strains of the Ebola virus: Bundibugyo, Zaire, Sudan, Reston, and Taï Fores (there have been no reported cases of human deaths caused by the last 2 strains).
The one you hear about in Africa is the Zaire strain, which is considered to be the most lethal one. The one in Congo is believed to be a mixture between the Sudanese and Zaire strains. I'm not sure whether or not a mixture of those two strains is more lethal but it could possibly be the case.
I've been reading a fair bit about the Zaire strain and it's a bit interesting since food science is what I studied in univesrity. The Zaire strain is believed to be caused by people who eat bush meat (fruit bats are the main carriers of the virus be it through their saliva or feces which then reaches guerrillas and monkeys). A lot of people think that improper cooking is the reason why people get this virus. That is wrong since cooking actually kills the virus. The problem is the people who handle this meat have no idea what cross contamination is (for example they may cut themselves when handling the food and get contaminated with the virus).
You're totally right. I wanted to point out that proper cooking does actually kill Ebola and had a brain fart instead.I've done some virus inactivation work but not using high heat. How sensitive is Ebola to heat? Couldn't improper cooking mean cold on the inside and burned to a crisp on the outside? You are probably right though that cross contamination is the likely culprit. Given how full PTE is not 100% with a minor mistake I would imagine handling a contaminated animal and then touching your eye etc could be enough.
Cheers dude!That's probably a bad idea. People would find unofficial ways to leave their country making them much harder to track down and there would be no screening procedures.
Check this link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/24/us-health-ebola-congodemocratic-idUSKBN0GO0R520140824
There are 5 knows strains of the Ebola virus: Bundibugyo, Zaire, Sudan, Reston, and Taï Fores (there have been no reported cases of human deaths caused by the last 2 strains).
The one you hear about in Africa is the Zaire strain, which is considered to be the most lethal one. The one in Congo is believed to be a mixture between the Sudanese and Zaire strains. I'm not sure whether or not a mixture of those two strains is more lethal but it could possibly be the case.
I've been reading a fair bit about the Zaire strain and it's a bit interesting since food science is what I studied in univesrity. The Zaire strain is believed to be caused by people who eat bush meat (fruit bats are the main carriers of the virus be it through their saliva or feces which then reaches guerrillas and monkeys). A lot of people think that improper cooking is the main reason why people get this virus when that's part of the cause (ebola is actually destroyed if people cooked their food adequately). The problem is the people who handle this meat have no idea what cross contamination is (for example they may cut themselves when handling the food and get contaminated with the virus).
I'm still surprised the west hasn't bombed west Africa with medical/logistic nukes once they realised it could affect them (or maybe they still think it will be a minor nuisance).
It is thought that fruit bats of the Pteropodidae family are natural Ebola virus hosts. Ebola is introduced into the human population through close contact with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected animals such as chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, forest antelope and porcupines found ill or dead or in the rainforest.
Find it quite worrying that this Ebola contact is a member of the hospital staff under observation. If the staff themselves haven't got the sense to think before they travel or do anything within this quarantine period then it really doesn't inspire people with much confidence in the medical system over there in the US.At the very least this is going to cause a lot of worry to a lot of people. Why on earth was this woman allowed to travel?
Typical Fox news had a Doctor on telling everyone not to panic and stay calm and pointing out lots of obvious things and the newsreader was stirring the pot up and criticising everything he said and helping to cause anxiety and panic.
Them feckers and Japan always prevent me from depopulating the worldMadagascar is way ahead of you!
Oh I am sure you can find websites saying it was created in. CIA lab in Georgia or MarylandPeople on my facebook discussing how Ebola is Western propaganda to weaken Africa. Mind boggling.
As I said before given the choice people will do the selfish stupid thing.Find it quite worrying that this Ebola contact is a member of the hospital staff under observation. If the staff themselves haven't got the sense to think before they travel or do anything within this quarantine period then it really doesn't inspire people with much confidence in the medical system over there in the US.
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Seems like the four suspected cases in Spain have all tested negative for the disease. Some positive news on it for once.
Yeah, that doesn't sound so good in context.
People worry about the wrong thing. The more lethal and the more transmittable the less we have to worry about a worldwide pandemic.Cheers dude!
I'm rather worried about this 2 combined strains of Ebola to be honest. If one doesn't get you, the other will? Apocolyptic stuff.
I'll digest it and get back to you
I'm sure that doesn't make as much sense as you think it doesPeople worry about the wrong thing. The more lethal and the more transmittable the less we have to worry about a worldwide pandemic.
It does make sense. Humans aren't a good host for Ebola as it kills us too fast. This outbreak has a mortality rate of about 50% whereas some of the earlier outbreaks that quickly died out had mortality rates of 90% and thus they disappeared quickly. Not that I'd like to test it but in modelling the same goes for increased speed of transmission largely because individuals/communities/cities/countries react with a lockdown and when high mortality is combined with high tranmission rates pockets of infection die out very quickly. Speed of onset of symptoms also plays a huge part as we have seen with AIDS where a very high mortality rate doesn't reduce transmission much when it can take a long time for the first symptoms to show. You can't treat what you don't know is there.I'm sure that doesn't make as much sense as you think it does
Okay, that all makes sense. Ebola kills fast, which is obviously bad for the virus. And symptoms are onset quickly so diagnosis can be quick and working out who everyone has been in contact is easy.It does make sense. Humans aren't a good host for Ebola as it kills us too fast. This outbreak has a mortality rate of about 50% whereas some of the earlier outbreaks that quickly died out had mortality rates of 90% and thus they disappeared quickly. Not that I'd like to test it but in modelling the same goes for increased speed of transmission largely because individuals/communities/cities/countries react with a lockdown and when high mortality is combined with high tranmission rates pockets of infection die out very quickly. Speed of onset of symptoms also plays a huge part as we have seen with AIDS where a very high mortality rate doesn't reduce transmission much when it can take a long time for the first symptoms to show. You can't treat what you don't know is there.
Which I didnt think made much sense. I've highlighted your argument above, but I still dont think it makes sense.People worry about the wrong thing. The more lethal and the more transmittable the less we have to worry about a worldwide pandemic.
India.I guess the real worry would be if the disease got a foothold in another poor very populous part of the world.