Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."

[Saf94]

Leicester actually won the league, were 11 points ahead of the amazing Spurs, that's after escaping the relegation the previous season. Think we should go for Drinkwater then, indispensable, actually won something, actually a homegrown, English lad, academy product.

I mean, what can go wrong.

You're clearly trolling. Everyone knows Leicester was an insane anomaly of a season. You don't have to be a tactical genius to know these players massively overperformed and a number of factors all came together in a very unlikely way that allowed them to win the league. Obviously their true level showed this season when they came midtable

Spurs on the other hand did not dip in form this season, in fact they actually got better. The competition was much stronger this year yet they actually finished higher. So very evidently they are not an average team like Leicester are they? Why are you trying so hard to make this argument that Spurs are average when they are clearly quality. Scored the most goals and conceded the least this season. They're not league winners but they're still miles better than us and their players are far far from average

 

[Trigg]

So we don't know where he'd be fitting in? It sounds like Herrera's position to me but he isn't an upgrade? There's plenty of room for an ability upgrade on him but not much for passion. So we'd basically have a less motivated Herrera?



I guess. Aren't they all on a crap wage though? Can't be that hard to lure one of them away can it?

I see Dier as more of a true holding midfielder, playing Dier would probably free Herrera (and Pogba) if we were playing a 3 man midfield and add balance.

 

[AP88]

£60m investment for 10 years potential service, equates to £6m a year; nothing for a very tactically intelligent footballer who when he gets into his rhythm in midfield is a very dominant force in there.

He'll be United captain next season.

 

[Trigg]

I think this is the problem. We have plenty that are alright at what they do, and some that have potential. We need better right now. I'm not saying we shouldn't get Dier as he may be a useful addition to the squad, just that that may be why people aren't over the moon with the link.

We don't have anyone at the club that is a true holding/defensive midfielder other than a 35 year old Carrick? Unless I'm forgetting someone? Signing some young blood for that position is not a problem for me.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Of all the transfer stories this summer this is the one I least want to happen. He couldn't hold down a DM position for Spurs kept being shunted from DM to CB and back again.
Not the quality we need. Might as well have kept Cleaverly as buy him.

 

[VeevaVee]

I see Dier as more of a true holding midfielder, playing Dier would probably free Herrera (and Pogba) if we were playing a 3 man midfield and add balance.

In that case, I don't think Herrera has the ability to be in the team and we need an upgrade there (assuming all this is correct). I think I like the idea of that though, does sound balanced.
The Herrera comment won't go down well considering he's been decent and is odds on for future captain, but we need 2/3 world class players imo and the right worldie there could help loads with creativity/movement.

 

[Trigg]

In that case, I don't think Herrera has the ability to be in the team and we need an upgrade there (assuming all this is correct). I think I like the idea of that though, does sound balanced

You don't think Herrera has the ability, seriously?

 

[Kostur]

You're clearly trolling. Everyone knows Leicester was an insane anomaly of a season. You don't have to be a tactical genius to know these players massively overperformed and a number of factors all came together in a very unlikely way that allowed them to win the league. Obviously their true level showed this season when they came midtable

Spurs on the other hand did not dip in form this season, in fact they actually got better. The competition was much stronger this year yet they actually finished higher. So very evidently they are not an average team like Leicester are they? Why are you trying so hard to make this argument that Spurs are average when they are clearly quality. Scored the most goals and conceded the least this season. They're not league winners but they're still miles better than us and their players are far far from average

No, I'm not trolling, I'm actually providing you with an apt comparison. There's a common theme between Drinkwater and Dier, they're both painfully average but Danny's got it to this name that he's actually both a) won something b) counts for homegrown quota. It's funny, you're quite quick to discredit Leicester and call them an anomaly, but at the same time you've mentioned that not too long time ago Spurs were in the 7th and then surged to 3rd, subsequently 2nd the following season. So it's a two-season sample for Spurs where they haven't won shit but are apparently an amazing side, and Leicester who actually won the title (Spurs couldn't beat them to it, amazing as they are and shit as Leicester are) in the same season and dipped back to 12th are now an anomaly, shit, you call it. I could as well just go on and for the sake of it say that Spurs finishing 2nd and 3rd is an anomaly too.

Now, no, I don't discredit Spurs as a whole before we all know who tries to hop me, I'm saying that Dier is painfully average player. Just because a team wins something (in Spurs case they haven't even won shit) it doesn't mean that certain players in their team are not average (which is an implication in your post). We've won the title with Cleverleys and Andersons in the team, I take it they weren't shit/average too, right?

 

[VeevaVee]

You don't think Herrera has the ability, seriously?

I've edited my last post. But no, he's not world class. As much as I like Herrera, I think we need another world class player in midfield. Specially if this is the route we go.

 

[Trigg]

I've edited my last post. But no, he's not world class. As much as I like Herrera, I think we need another world class player in midfield. Specially if this is the route we go.

I think we differ on Herrera's ability then. I think he adds bite in midfield while being good on the ball. Dier and Herrera would effectively give Pogba the license to do whatever he wants, and we need to building a team around Pogba in my opinion.

I might be totally wrong and Jose might have a different idea all together.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Offer 50m and we'll get him

You won't.

This deal is not going to happen, so United best not waste their time when you could be chasing more realistic targets.

 

[Trigg]

You won't.

This deal is not going to happen, so United best not waste their time when you could be chasing more realistic targets.

I'm sure you said the same about Berbatov all those years ago?

 

[CG1010]

I've edited my last post. But no, he's not world class. As much as I like Herrera, I think we need another world class player in midfield. Specially if this is the route we go.

We need someone to complement with Pogba and allow him to go further forward when needed in a midfield 2, and be able to play as the last player in midfield 3. Doesn't need to be world class but upto Herrera's level (i.e. a first XI player in a potential league winning side) would be fine.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

I'm sure you said the same about Berbatov all those years ago?

Times have changed massively since then with regards money in the game. Also Dier is nowhere of the stature of Berbatov.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Imagine spending hundreds of millions on building a new team with the ambition of joining the elite (Bayern, Barca, Madrid) and end up with Eric fecking Dier as the cog in the engine room.

It'll be the first time ever that I've been genuinely sickened over a new signing if this goes through.

You'd best aim to finish in the Prem's top 4 to start with ... baby steps and all.

 

[Trigg]

Times have changed massively since then with regards money in the game. Also Dier is nowhere of the stature of Berbatov.

Give Levy enough money and he'll break. Always does.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Times have changed massively since then with regards money in the game. Also Dier is nowhere of the stature of Berbatov.

Times have changed in football but not for Spurs. You lot still offer your best players shit contracts and you win nothing on the football pitch to justify them staying. It won't last long the best players want to win trophies and Spurs haven't done that for years and I can't see them doing it much in the near future either. I reckon another trophyless season is going to spark a big transfer saga with Kane or Ali next summer.

 

[Burrow]

You'd best aim to finish in the Prem's top 4 to start with ... baby steps and all.

Well, we got the same CL spot as your team but with 3 added trophies more to our name last season. How many years since your team won anything of note, Glaston?

 

[sincher]

I don't think Levy 'breaks', he just gets as much money as he can if a player is committed to leaving, like anyone else would.

Doesn't seem like Dier would be agitated enough to push hard for a move but can't be sure, it must be somewhat tempting to double your wages.

 

[GlastonSpur]

I'm sure you said the same about Berbatov all those years ago?

It's no skin off my nose if United want to end up looking silly, wasting their time over Dier when Levy has already said that he won't sell. You'll spend weeks in fruitless pursuit and then end up with either no-one or some no-mark panic buy.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

You'd best aim to finish in the Prem's top 4 to start with ... baby steps and all.

You best aim to win something for once. I know you like to come on here and bang the 'United are on the decline' drum but the reality is we've won more trophies in the last year than Spurs have in 20+.

 

[Vanya]

Price is not an issue in my opinion. The issue is - does the player significantly improve our starting 11?

I dont see the point in buying a player who at 23 still doesnt have a well defined position. We need a specialist as a midfield anchor who can pass the ball such that he can free up Pogba and Herrera not a hybrid CB/CM.

I think we should go for an experienced player and use Carrick and TFM as back up options. IMO we missed a very good opportunity with Mesa who went to Swansea.

Most people underestimate the problems we have at CM. Apart from Carrick, Herrera and Pogba we dont have any world class players in midfield and these three cannot play all the games. An argument could be made for signing two CMs.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Well, we got the same CL spot as your team but with 3 added trophies more to our name last season. How many years since your team won anything of note, Glaston?

Cup trophies depend on a lot on the luck of the draw, but the league doesn't. If you want to re-join the RM/Barca/Bayern elite you'd best show first that you can finish in the Prem's top 4.

 

[Trigg]

It's no skin off my nose if United want to end up looking silly, wasting their time over Dier when Levy has already said that he won't sell. You'll spend weeks in fruitless pursuit and then end up with either no-one or some no-mark panic buy.

Pretty sure you (and Levy) said that about Berbatov too.

Time will tell I guess.

 

[Ikon]

Eric Dier for £60 Million.....Levy must be laughing up his sleeve.

No matter how you dress it up, there are better players out there for that role costing less, and would be easier to negotiate a deal for.
Don't see why United are so eager for this one to happen.

 

[sincher]

It's no skin off my nose if United want to end up looking silly, wasting their time over Dier when Levy has already said that he won't sell. You'll spend weeks in fruitless pursuit and then end up with either no-one or some no-mark panic buy.

A bit like pursuing Zaha and ending up spunking on Sissoko, you mean? I wouldn't be feeling too superior if I were you.

 

[Burrow]

Cup trophies depend on a lot on the luck of the draw, but the league doesn't. If you want to re-join the RM/Barca/Bayern elite you'd best show first that you can finish in the Prem's top 4.

How many years since your team won anything of note though, Glaston? As I assume finishing in the top 4 does not really yield anything except the CL, which we are also in?

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Cup trophies depend on a lot on the luck of the draw, but the league doesn't. If you want to re-join the RM/Barca/Bayern elite you'd best show first that you can finish in the Prem's top 4.

Ah so you've just been really unlucky in every cup competition for almost 20 years? It's not because you're serial bottlers?

Oh ok.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

How many years since your team won anything of note though, Glaston? As I assume finishing in the top 4 does not really yield anything except the CL, which we are also in?

The last trophy they won was the league cup in 2008. I guess they've just been unlucky with the draw in both domestic cup competitions for the last 10 years.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Give Levy enough money and he'll break. Always does.

Lazy misconception about our bald leader. He has only sold Berbatov, Keane, Modric and Bale, all of which basically forced a move away and I don't believe he wanted to sell. In the cases of Modric and Berbatov he kept them one more season than they oridgianlly wanted to go and with Bale he rejected a bigger bid from United.

Dier won't be sold unless Poch oks it and that won't happen. He signed a new contract less than a year ago. From all the info we have with the goings on Poch decides who stays and who goes, we seen this with Walker at the end of the season.

 

[MUFC OK]

Wanyama was an absolute bargain that they couldn't afford to pass up on; Dier was also versatile enough to allow them to go to a back 3. Even now if they sell Dier, signing Wanyama has allowed them to generate circa £40m to reinvest into strenghthening other areas of the squad. That's how clubs like Dortmund and Atletico have grown, and Spurs are clearly following that blueprint to gradually establish themselves at the top of the league.

Mourinho, Pocchettino and Xabi Alonso rate him highly. Enough said.

Alex ferguson, the greatest manager of all time rated David Moyes highly.. but was he right for United?

 

[Random Task]

Times have changed massively since then with regards money in the game. Also Dier is nowhere of the stature of Berbatov.

£50 million still equates to £50 million, that was true 10 years ago just as it is today. Times haven't changed nearly as much as you think.

If Ed offered £50m for the acquisition of Eric Dier, Levy would bite his hand off. He would be a fool to ignore it.

 

[Trigg]

If only Spurs the football team were as cocksure as their fans on this message board. They might actually win something...

 

[GlastonSpur]

Times have changed in football but not for Spurs. You lot still offer your best players shit contracts and you win nothing on the football pitch to justify them staying. It won't last long the best players want to win trophies and Spurs haven't done that for years and I can't see them doing it much in the near future either. I reckon another trophyless season is going to spark a big transfer saga with Kane or Ali next summer.

Blah, blah, blah ... every summer the same tired old narrative, one that bites the dust come the Autumn.

One day some United fans will start to question their own club, wondering why, if Spurs apparently only offer "shit contracts", there are so many Spurs players coveted by United, when the reverse is not at all true ... and this despite the fat (ludicrous) contracts that you shell out to all and sundry.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Times have changed in football but not for Spurs. You lot still offer your best players shit contracts and you win nothing on the football pitch to justify them staying. It won't last long the best players want to win trophies and Spurs haven't done that for years and I can't see them doing it much in the near future either. I reckon another trophyless season is going to spark a big transfer saga with Kane or Ali next summer.

We offer an amount it seams that our players are willing to sign the contracts. We're not of the finicial ability to offer the contracts you, Chelsea or City offer. I totally believe we can win something next year, only time will tell. Not much point speculating about next summer when it's only this summer.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Blah, blah, blah ... every summer the same tired old narrative, one that bites the dust come the Autumn.

One day some United fans will start to question their own club, wondering why, if Spurs apparently only offer "shit contracts", there are so many Spurs players coveted by United, when the reverse is not at all true ... and this despite the fat (ludicrous) contracts that you shell out to all and sundry.

Why would any Utd player want to move to Spurs for less money to win nothing ever?

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

£50 million still equates to £50 million, that was true 10 years ago just as it is today. Times haven't changed nearly as much as you think.

If Ed offered £50m for the acquisition of Eric Dier, Levy would bite his hand off. He would be a fool to ignore it.

Where have u been living? £50M 10 years ago is nowhere near £50M now, it's simple economics.

 

[GlastonSpur]

£50 million still equates to £50 million, that was true 10 years ago just as it is today. Times haven't changed nearly as much as you think.

If Ed offered £50m for the acquisition of Eric Dier, Levy would bite his hand off. He would be a fool to ignore it.

I would offer you a bet on this, but the last two United fans that I bet with disappeared from the forum without paying when they lost the bet ... so I won't bother.

 

[Red Devil Rising]

£50 million still equates to £50 million, that was true 10 years ago just as it is today. Times haven't changed nearly as much as you think.

If Ed offered £50m for the acquisition of Eric Dier, Levy would bite his hand off. He would be a fool to ignore it.

It may equate to the same, pound for pound, but you'd be a fool to think you don't get less for that same money today than you did 10 years ago - that's blatantly obvious.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Blah, blah, blah ... every summer the same tired old narrative, one that bites the dust come the Autumn.

One day some United fans will start to question their own club, wondering why, if Spurs apparently only offer "shit contracts", there are so many Spurs players coveted by United, when the reverse is not at all true ... and this despite the fat (ludicrous) contracts that you shell out to all and sundry.

Why would any United player want to move to Spurs? The only players you lot could ever get off us are unwanted squad players Jose wants gone.