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First off he needs to start clearing out all the jokers which for me is at least half the first team squad. Massive task on his hands to start with and recruitment needs to be bang on
Don't forget the Greenwood thing, which had a big impact on the squad. This stint is irrelevant for Rangnicks resume IMO. It was an impossible task and things only got harder. As an interim, there was never much hope IMO.There are some mitigating factors for Rangnick though.
- interim coach with a disinterest bunch who know hell ne gone soon
- us in free fall under Ole and Rangnick not being one to give them a smiling phase but present the harsh truth
- he doesn't have any recent managerial success
- no signings made in Jan, no summer or pre season
Greenwood. Rashford and Martial falling to pieces last season. Cavani never available.Don't forget the Greenwood thing, which had a big impact on the squad. This stint is irrelevant for Rangnicks resume IMO. It was an impossible task and things only got harder. As an interim, there was never much hope IMO.
Yes.Are you really arguing that Maguire didn't have a good season at Leicester before United and City were both trying to buy him?
He didnt really have a great seasonAre you really arguing that Maguire didn't have a good season at Leicester before United and City were both trying to buy him?
This makes sense. We should ideally start challenging for the title from the 3rd season. Mind you we aren't as horrible Liverpool was when Klopp took over. Their average position over the few seasons (barring their title challenge in 2014), was 6-7th. United, on the other hand, have an average position of 4 for the last 7 seasons.Its never a 5 year project ffs.
Its naturally going to be probably 1.5 seasons (2 summer windows/2 January window) of inconsistency/teething issues, but past that should come a step up.
- This summer/ year 1 - implement style, address DM/ST. Top 4 fight
- Next summer/year 2 - address issues from year 1, replace weak points, push on to a steady/safe top 4 team who can punch with heavy weights in 1 off games but maybe lacks consistency
- Summer 2024/year 3 and later - upgrade other parts where needed, step up to title challenging form, start competing seriously for CL and other trophies.
I wouldn't be surprised if people are surprised at how much better our players can look in a proper system.Quotes are promising. Would be great to see a manager that can improve our players. If he can get another level out of Fernandes, Rashford and Elanga that would be great.
Can't place my bets on this lot to improve. Feel like these are untrainable.Quotes are promising. Would be great to see a manager that can improve our players. If he can get another level out of Fernandes, Rashford and Elanga that would be great.
I'm a fan of Ralf, but he barely coached the last decade and his track record wasn't exactly filled with silverware. Don't think thkse two are anyhow comparableLet's not get too excited while he has admirable track record so far our job is another beast, also we heard the same stuff with Ralf and look how that turned out.
Whilst I agree with this, we also have to take into consideration that a lot of teams have got better as we've dropped off.This makes sense. We should ideally start challenging for the title from the 3rd season. Mind you we aren't as horrible Liverpool was when Klopp took over. Their average position over the few seasons (barring their title challenge in 2014), was 6-7th. United, on the other hand, have an average position of 4 for the last 7 seasons.
I said he had a good season. He did.He didnt really have a great season
Haha, okay.. We paid £80m on a defender who didn't even have a good season. Agree to disagree.Yes.
Mostly meant the media hype , especially athletic can be quite dramatic in their hipster coverage of things.I'm a fan of Ralf, but he barely coached the last decade and his track record wasn't exactly filled with silverware. Don't think thkse two are anyhow comparable
We paid 80m for a CB because we had a dinosaur managing us with a hard-on for building a British spine at the club.I said he had a good season. He did.
Haha, okay.. We paid £80m on a defender who didn't even have a good season. Agree to disagree.
Rangnick barely got a fair crack of the whip either though. He tried his best but no signings of his own, the players couldn't make his 4-2-2-2 work etc.Mostly meant the media hype , especially athletic can be quite dramatic in their hipster coverage of things.
This'll make it so that the first instance of ten hag having some trouble turns the fans against him calling him Pep Guardiola is my idol etc etc.
I think that if the players just did as they were asked and applied themselves then he would have been fine. Hes not a charismatic or friendly manager like Ole was at the start of his time here and I think the players have basically just ignored him. You could see the start of what he wanted in the first half of his first game and then it just evaporated. Either RR didn't like it (which I would be astounded) or the players were not fit enough and were not applying themselves enough to gain the fitness that it just all got abandoned.I still feel Rangnick should have had a bigger impact from a tactical and system pov but we do have to consider these factors ans that he's interim coach of a team that has serious issues in terms of morale, form and drive. Not to mention they're not geared up for modern footy right now.
I feel we should have given cl a lot more effort.Rangnick barely got a fair crack of the whip either though. He tried his best but no signings of his own, the players couldn't make his 4-2-2-2 work etc.
Results obviously should have been better but at the same time I don't think that's purely his fault alone.
Every manager will fail if he's not given authority over the players.Let's not get too excited while he has admirable track record so far our job is another beast, also we heard the same stuff with Ralf and look how that turned out.
Who are you talking about here? Mourinho wanted Maguire the season before I am pretty sure. There is a decent defender in Maguire but his weaknesses need covering which is something we have never done. The question is, how much does covering those weaknesses impact the attacking intent of the side. I don't want United playing the sort of utter dross England set up to play. Its quite easy to look decent when 8 of your players are largely defensively focussed.We paid 80m for a CB because we had a dinosaur managing us with a hard-on for building a British spine at the club.
Wouldn't I think is the better word. They were not fit enough but they didn't even give it a fair go. Too many players unwilling to press or dig deep. Watching RM and Chelsea last night brought home just how horrendously out of shape our team is. Both teams were going at it for 120 minutes. We can't even go at it for 45.Rangnick barely got a fair crack of the whip either though. He tried his best but no signings of his own, the players couldn't make his 4-2-2-2 work etc.
One thing I would say under RR is that we haven't won many games that we didn't deserve to win and we have draw / lost a few that we did deserve to win. Under Ole it was the opposite. Too many games we deserved to lose were won and rarely did we lose when it wasn't merited.Results obviously should have been better but at the same time I don't think that's purely his fault alone.
Then let's hope ten hag is given one.Every manager will fail if he's not given authority over the players.
I get the feeling we are consciously modeling our strategy on Liverpool of the last six or seven years. Although I’m less than convinced we have the competence and guile in terms of personnel to pull it off.Most of your recent managers, Mourinho, Van Gaal, Ragnick, etc. are individuals who were/are obsessed with football. So these quotes or stories about Ten Haag aren't a new or great insight.
The most important thing, which City and Liverpool have done, is create a working structure around the manager and given them complete authority.
Even Arsenal have done that for Arteta.
If United don't give him a good support structure and a free hand to build his teams, even Ten Hag will fail.
Yeah I agree with most of that but it's got nothing to do with what I said.We paid 80m for a CB because we had a dinosaur managing us with a hard-on for building a British spine at the club.
There were far better options available if the scouting department did their job.
Maguire had never been in the PL team of the season before joining United(atleast that's what I remember, might be wrong).
Mourinho was obsessed with himself, not football.Most of your recent managers, Mourinho, Van Gaal, Ragnick, etc. are individuals who were/are obsessed with football. So these quotes or stories about Ten Haag aren't a new or great insight.
The most important thing, which City and Liverpool have done, is create a working structure around the manager and given them complete authority.
Even Arsenal have done that for Arteta.
If United don't give him a good support structure and a free hand to build his teams, even Ten Hag will fail.
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Oh absolutely. I am by no means saying he's a guarantee of anything. Just the potential of a way forward is exciting. Sure, he could crash and burn but if he can get us playing anywhere near the standard of his Ajax team then it's an exciting process. There's no point in being negative on it at this stage.People say this about every manager we sign just because of the dopamine hit. No one knows if he'll be any good for us, plenty of Eredevisie managers and players looked great at Ajax and then were rubbish elsewhere.
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I suspect even the board are now onto the players and what they do. The fact they brought Ralf in who I think was sussing out who the problems are. Some of the ones people think are a problem are more than likely just having a dip in form and confidence. The fact we are bringing in a modern coach instead of the same old quick fix makes me hopeful that they have realised there are a lot of problems and it will take time. The board as I have banged on about before need to tell the players any leaks to press from either them or their 'people' and it will be the end of their careers at United. They have to show they are backing the manager both financially and how he runs the team.All these quotes are meaningless if the players throw him under the bus because he's asking a lot from them whilst the board looks on and fans pounce on the manager.