Fair point. But if you're asking who's at fault for giving the monkey a machine gun, no one comes out of this well.But shouldn't you be asking why we weren't able to protect ten hag from himself in making sole decisions in transfers?
No one actually knows. He got a champions league and league title out of a midfield with Milner and Henderson as key players. His track record from Dortmund and Liverpool suggests that Klopp is more likely than not to do well with these other players.I can only imagine how Liverpool would be if they asked Klopp to do it all, for starters they would have brought Brandt or Pulisic over Salah.
The goal is definitely a dominant style of play, by pressing, pro-active defending and attacking with speed.Yes, ten Hag should have been saved from himself. However, he's just as culpable because it was him who wanted this level of power and responsibility. Recruitment aside, ten Hag should be a good enough coach to implement a dominant style of play, rather than this eternal game of 'you have a go - we have a go'.
he’ll get a decent job but he’s never managing at the elite level againReports coming out tonight that he could walk away in the summer if he doesn’t get control of certain aspects of the club. Can see a big managerial merry go round in the summer. Ajax would take ETH back and Dortmund may be interested… he’ll get another decent job whether he’s sacked or walks away.
This, a lot of brains will start melting at this paradox.Funny, a lot of his defenders in here claim he doesn't actually want significant power over transfers and only exercised it out of necessity since the outgoing hierarchy is incompetent.
I don’t know how he survived AnfieldI still dont know how ten hag survived december
The amount of injuries he has had to deal with is not natural. 16 first-team players being injured or unavailable for periods since the start of the season. That’s two-thirds of the squad and means that Erik has not been able to pick his strongest XI once this season. Add to that the amount of issues he's had to deal with. Sancho, Greenwood, Ronaldo. Is not typical of any manager, anywhere.I don't get how can people watch us play and put everything down to injuries. We're just a chore to watch and there is zero indication anything is going to change. We didn't really play that well during that mini run nor did we play exceptionally bad against Fulham. It's just the same old with variance thrown in. If people are really suggesting there is nothing ETH can do then the position of a manager is useless and mostly formal. In which case sticking with OGS might have been the better move. I guess the way the new people in charge deal with the manager situation will tell us what to expect in the future.
Most managers are not able to pick their strongest XI most of the time. The injury excuse just doesn't cut it. A drop in overall performance, yes. Playing consistently bad with very little semblance of cohesive football, no.The amount of injuries he has had to deal with is not natural. 16 first-team players being injured or unavailable for periods since the start of the season. That’s two-thirds of the squad and means that Erik has not been able to pick his strongest XI once this season. Add to that the amount of issues he's had to deal with. Sancho, Greenwood, Ronaldo. Is not typical of any manager, anywhere.
And yet they had a better open play XG, a higher pass completion rate, more passes in our half, more passes in our final 3rd and over double the amount of entries into our area. And that’s from the ‘worst visitors we’ve had all season’. Doesn’t say much for our performances does it.Frankly they were the worst visitors we have had all season in the league. Gifted loads of the ball in good situations and doing next to nothing with it.
I’m certainly not a Southgate fan but the team INEOS seem to be building have worked with Southgate before at England and have helped create an environment where England could make the most of what they have. You would hope that if he does come in it would be short term to improve the standards and atmosphere.
Clutching at straws here. If you see most of his goals this calendar year, its just about being in the right place at the right time. We are still to really create for him, its shocking how Bruno has no connection with him in the pitch.Credit to https://www.reddit.com/u/OPchainsaw/s/p50s5qCUV5
But just look at the lack of consistency in the back line. Injuries have ruined our build up ability, which in turn ruins our midfield, which in turn blunts the attack. It’s not a surprise to me that Højlund’s goalscoring form picked up as our players came back fit (albeit briefly).
We’ve been able to play our best back line Dalot, Varane, Martinez and Shaw twice all season.
Manchester United is 6th, 19 points off the top, with 11 league losses and a goal difference of -2 in March.
Manchester United finished last in a CL group that included Copenhagen and Galatasaray with a goal difference of -3.
Yeah but lads…injuries.The mere fact that people will defend this kind of abomination shows how far standards have fallen here.
I truly hope INEOS completely change the mindset going forward.
The fanbase has immensely high standards for the players, but not for the managers post-SAF.
With a shit squad, what is your point? The only thing il agree is terrible is the Champions League exit, the rest is just whinging without looking at any context.Manchester United is 6th, 19 points off the top, with 11 league losses and a goal difference of -2 in March.
Manchester United finished last in a CL group that included Copenhagen and Galatasaray with a goal difference of -3.
Yeah but context. Do you really expect us to beat Bournemouth and Fulham at home? Do you expect us to outscore Luton? That's just crazyManchester United is 6th, 19 points off the top, with 11 league losses and a goal difference of -2 in March.
Manchester United finished last in a CL group that included Copenhagen and Galatasaray with a goal difference of -3.
With a shit manager*With a shit squad, what is your point? The only thing il agree is terrible is the Champions League exit, the rest is just whinging without looking at any context.
HilariousWith a shit manager*
So the injuries dont matter at all? Look at the team that has been playing, is that a team that should be amongst City, Liverpool and Arsenal? Spurs and Villa have players that would start for Manchester United even when we have a fully fit squad. Our squad really isnt that good and with injuries it becomes even worse.Yeah but lads…injuries.
They finished 3rd last year, so yeah. Only Martinez has been out. Ddg replaced by Onana.So the injuries dont matter at all? Look at the team that has been playing, is that a team that should be amongst City, Liverpool and Arsenal? Spurs and Villa have players that would start for Manchester United even when we have a fully fit squad. Our squad really isnt that good and with injuries it becomes even worse.
"Shit squad" after spending hundreds of millions to improve the one that finished 2nd and 3rd with OGS. Not hilarious.Hilarious
Yes but alas it is no jokeHilarious
The below thread is a riot when you see the posts in this thread:Yeah but context. Do you really expect us to beat Bournemouth and Fulham at home? Do you expect us to outscore Luton? That's just crazy
All I asked for was better football and less hammerings. Failed on both.The below thread is a riot when you see the posts in this thread:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/expectations-for-season-2023-2024.478081/
Apparently he did want control over transfers, in fact it was reportedly one of his requirements for taking the job.But shouldn't you be asking why we weren't able to protect ten hag from himself in making sole decisions in transfers? Ten hag wasn't asking to do that, by the way. Managers generally expect support and structure for scouting alternatives to overlay their own names. By all accounts Ten Hag reserved feck all in that department.
I can only imagine how Liverpool would be if they asked Klopp to do it all, for starters they would have brought Brandt or Pulisic over Salah.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...g-says-taken-man-united-job-control-transfers"I set requirements in advance about how I want to work," he told Dutch outlet Trouw.
"If they aren't granted, I won't do it. I am ultimately responsible and accounted for the results. I don't want to be the sole ruler, I stand for cooperation, but control in transfers is a condition for me."
Sorry what? Every team gets worse after 2 years under a new manager?Also you're point about the team looking worse literally happens under every coach. It's a recruitment issue not a management one.
You mean the squad that had no striker, no DM and desperately needed a center back? Ok mate."Shit squad" after spending hundreds of millions to improve the one that finished 2nd and 3rd with OGS. Not hilarious.
You backed my point up if you read his actual quote. He did not want to be the sole ruler.Apparently he did want control over transfers, in fact it was reportedly one of his requirements for taking the job.
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...g-says-taken-man-united-job-control-transfers
As Erik says himself, he is ultimately responsible and accountable for his teams results. More so when he wanted control over selecting targets and he has obviously driving recruitment since arriving from Ajax, given the players we've signed.
In this case this isn't on the club, as I've said he's been backed to a degree few managers are.
We're not even in the top 5 clubs for most injuries this season and they weren't all injured in one go mate. Most managers go through seasons where they don't get to pick their strongest XI. People talk about United's great 1994 team, but that 1994 team only played together once.The amount of injuries he has had to deal with is not natural. 16 first-team players being injured or unavailable for periods since the start of the season. That’s two-thirds of the squad and means that Erik has not been able to pick his strongest XI once this season. Add to that the amount of issues he's had to deal with. Sancho, Greenwood, Ronaldo. Is not typical of any manager, anywhere.
And he isn't the sole ruler. the club still have a veto. But he's been the one picking targets as he requested.You backed my point up if you read his actual quote. He did not want to be the sole ruler.
So Man City and Liverpool looked worse in 2018 2 years after they were taken over by Pep and Klopp in 2015/2016 yes?Also regarding the team looking worse every two-three years, yes. Thar has happened under every coach.
He hasn't requested to be the only one picking targets. Please can you literally stop making things up, it's getting quite frustrating.And he isn't the sole ruler. the club still have a veto. But he's been the one picking targets as he requested.
He wanted a veto and to be in the room for strategy. That's an element of control, it's not sole control, so again, stop making things up.Mate stop moving the goalposts and making Erik out to be some noble victim of curcumstance. He wanted control of transfers, he got it and he's fecked it up.
No, they have an actual support structure for their manager. Klopp for example has a say in targets but is supported by head scouts and data science experts to overlay that with alternatives of their own, before an agreement is reached. Literally none of that happens here, we sacked our head scoutsSo Man City and Liverpool looked worse in 2018 2 years after they were taken over by Pep and Klopp in 2015/2016 yes?
That is hard to believe. I‘m pretty sure we have the worst injury record out of the top 8 sides.We're not even in the top 5 clubs for most injuries this season and they weren't all injured in one go mate.
But ten Hag is a competent coach. His work in Ajax proved it. Do you think he forget coaching now? It would take years to completely rebuild crippled United. Onana, Garnacho, Martinez, Kobbie, Hojlund. The rebuilding already started. We just another 10 new players of their caliber to compete again.Liverpool going toe to toe with City while playing a makeshift back 4 while ETH keeps blaming injuries for his coaching deficiencies.
Almost as if manager with most influence on transfers could have done something to prevent that. Shit squad, shit personnel, shit owners, shit everything but manager good. Yep, that's United fans.You mean the squad that had no striker, no DM and desperately needed a center back? Ok mate.