So you think we should act in the same way that did we did with LVG, Jose and Ole? And just get rid, rather then sign them top players?
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I think he's asking too much of his first team players, which is leading to the injuries. He does not rotate. Last year when we were chasing FA Cup, European Cup, and UCL qualifying, he played the same players for most games. I also think he lacks a system that works in EPL. I think he has not gotten players to perform better than they have. Mostly though I blame the fact that we cannot seem to get the right players at the right price. While that may not be his fault, he did want Antony, which tells me (along with his tactics) that he's not suited for EPL. I cannot trust him to find EPL quality players. Hojlund was the only signing I can agree with, and even then I think they overpaid for an unproven (at EPL standards) player. We have two players on our roster that we spent over a hundred million on that don't or barely play (Sancho/Mount). I get that Sancho wasn't ETH's fault, but I disagree that it's his attitude. Maybe his attitude mirrors the rest of the team's, and he was the only one willing to show it.
They never should have paid 95 million for Antony. They should have walked away and saved the cash for a real team-changer. They didn't need to pay 50 million for Onana. All of this wasteful spending will keep us under the UCL bar for years to come.
He should have us nowhere near 12 loses after 33 games, nowhere near 60 expected goals against which puts us in the bottom 5, he shouldn't have us last in our CL group and he shouldn't have us looking completely disjointed for an entire season. And I don't want to hear anything about the quality of our players, bottom half teams lack talent but for the most part they do not look like a bunch of strangers even when they have injury crisis which applies to many teams every seasons.
Also I don't think that he deserves anything, I don't mind people giving him one more summer but I do have a problem with the idea that he deserved it because he clearly doesn't.
I'd strongly argue there are many things to blame ETH for, but the cost of signings is not one of them. The body of evidence of United massively over-paying for mediocrity extends to before ETH had become a manager, and is as much a feature of the Glazer's United as Old Trafford leaks.
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I just looked at the table as I’ve been avoiding it for weeks and weeks. 12 losses in 33 is absolutely abhorrent for a club our stature. It’s just disgraceful injuries or not.
That alone gets you the sack end of the season. Shown absolutely zero fight to get results going on losses alone. Nearly 50% of the games are losses is a joke.
United can’t actually do any worse than this with anyone in charge. It’s not realistic to do worse even with an injury crisis at a big club.
League is your bread and butter end of the day and it was this guys job to get a squad who could at least compete for top 4-5.
We haven’t got even remotely close which again I have zero answers for given our clubs advantages over everyone bar City basically in the market.
Not to mention our shameful CL campaign which is an embarrassment on our record now forever.
That alone gets you the sack end of the season. Shown absolutely zero fight to get results going on losses alone. Nearly 50% of the games are losses is a joke.
United can’t actually do any worse than this with anyone in charge. It’s not realistic to do worse even with an injury crisis at a big club.
League is your bread and butter end of the day and it was this guys job to get a squad who could at least compete for top 4-5.
We haven’t got even remotely close which again I have zero answers for given our clubs advantages over everyone bar City basically in the market.
Not to mention our shameful CL campaign which is an embarrassment on our record now forever.
You mean top players ike Grealish, or Rice, or MacAllister, or Troussard, or Zinchenko, or Doku, or Alvarez, or Haaland, or Jota, or Nunez?
We should have sacked ETH at christmas when the season was still salvageable. Dont know what you mean about the previous failed managers. Except we acted too late in sacking all of them too. And focused too heavily on trying to rescue bad/past it managers with top signings.
What top players are we going to be signing this summer, who will be happy to come and play in the Europa conference for a lame duck manager on the cusp of the sack? No one remotely close to being a top player is going to want to come except your has-beens looking for a last payday, like Casemiro.
So we tried to save "past it" managers by signing WHICH top players?
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If you want a list of signings under LVG, Jose and Ole it should be quite easy to find.
Sorry, foot.
He’s missed a total of 265 days and 48 matches since arriving, with 4 injuries. How is that in any way reliable? Just because you want him to be durable doesn’t mean he is and bringing in new CBs is a smart move.
The fuse box had some of old fuses that worked great at first, but need replacing after one year. The old wiring is shorting out some of the new ones.
When full power is on it burns through the fuses after about 30 minutes.
Look im still with ETH just, but he has to change his ways if he is to be successful here.
He needs to manage a bigger squad, root out those with bad attitude and get his team playing for him and the shirt.
As for him refusing to speak to some of the media, why not,, its ok for them to spot negativity about him 24/7 why not give them a bit back.
He needs to manage a bigger squad, root out those with bad attitude and get his team playing for him and the shirt.
As for him refusing to speak to some of the media, why not,, its ok for them to spot negativity about him 24/7 why not give them a bit back.
Sounds like the house owners didn't want to pay for a full electrical rewiring.
And we hired an electrician that couldn't spot it, yet billed the cost of a new fuse box that he actually purchased used on Ebay?
Finding a list of "top players" within that might not be so easy.
That's a bit of a moving target though. Our players get poor coaching and end up regressing, then the narrative becomes "they're all deadwood".
Let's see if it remains like that after the last 5 games.
Right so get rid of the manager too then yes?
Yeah if I gave him money to buy materials, and he buys the wrong stuff thats his fault. But I've stil hired the wrong guy for the job and need to replace him with someone else.
He might know and he might be able to fix it. But based on what he's done so far it doesn't look he does, so you get someone else.
Yeah you might not know, personally I wouldn't take the risk.
Most managers are available every summer when you are offering to make them one of the worlds top 5 paid coaches.
He‘s the fifth brought in to fix it. It makes one think the electrician may not be the issue.
''Yes Journalist Dave we're planning on sacking Ten Hag the minute the seasons over but you won't tell anyone will you?''
Not really sure what else they would say. I’m not convinced that telling the manager he’s getting punted at the end of the season would maximise our results between now and then.
As for him ignoring the press, good. Most of them are cnuts anyway, he should have taken this approach earlier.
I’ll be disappointed if he’s still here next year but will try and get on board with it if the alternatives are Southgate and Potter, assuming EtH is not calling the shots re transfers anymore. But if the likes of Brian Brobbey start coming up as striker suggestions in the summer, I’m taking a break from football for my own mental wellbeing.
If you lot don't stop with this fecking electrician analogy I will electrocute you all
Ah fair enough, yes generally his subs are just poor/dull.
We've had 5 managers fail in a row, we all know the issues at the club. It's been a shitshow circus act for years, that's hired a series of ill suited, average or past it managers. But the managers have still failed.
That trend has continued with Ten Hag, because if you're saying the manager isn't the issue then should we have just stuck with Jose or Solskjaer for another few years and hoped everything just somehow worked out yes?
It took longer than I thought.Correct.
If they decide to keep him, he should consider himself very lucky.
Because there are all sorts of reasons why they should just kick him out on his arse.
Botching installations. I always knew that you were ETH.
This thread makes me want to stick a fork in the nearest wall outlet
Relax mate, don't blow a fuse.
Casemiro is definitely past his prime, AND HE STILL LOOKS BETTER THAN HALF THE TEAM.
Good genes, him and Varane
Heh
I feel during the last month I have slowly become more fixed on the idea that we need to move him on. The high of the FA Cup game vs Liverpool feels like decades ago with the results and performance that has since followed.
With that being said, I have voted to give him another season - simply based on the fact that we seem to be linked with Potter and Southgate mostly to replace him. For that reason, I feel I'd prefer to give him another season.
I just don't see who replaces him who is available and less of a risk than simply giving Ten Hagg another season.
With that being said, I have voted to give him another season - simply based on the fact that we seem to be linked with Potter and Southgate mostly to replace him. For that reason, I feel I'd prefer to give him another season.
I just don't see who replaces him who is available and less of a risk than simply giving Ten Hagg another season.
Must be watching a different Casemiro to me. He looks like arguably the worst player in the team.