We pretty much need 2 wins from 4 to beat our record low Premier League points total of 58 under Rangnick.
Just looking forward to hopefully starting afresh now.
Just looking forward to hopefully starting afresh now.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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100% on this. Ole is really the only chance we have for the final. Would be missing Pogba, but he knows how to beat City
That's why I lost faith in him. It's so obvious that our tactics are senseless and often harmful. Initially I thought that it was players improvising until I noticed that backups would do the same thing, dudes that have just been given instructions by the assistant coach operate like the starters and we think that they are not doing what the manager wants?
18 months in charge and still don't see any patterns of play. Give ball away to easily.
It's get the ball out to Garnacho and hope he does something special.
None of managers we have bought in have been able to coach players in patterns of play in last attacking 3rd. We just rely on something special from individuals.
Don't talk about our defensive shape. Non existent, players just dribble through midfield.
If Burnley were better attacking we where out of the game a number of times today.
Fulham did it as had better quality.
Amount times we are left 4 vs 3/2
It's get the ball out to Garnacho and hope he does something special.
None of managers we have bought in have been able to coach players in patterns of play in last attacking 3rd. We just rely on something special from individuals.
Don't talk about our defensive shape. Non existent, players just dribble through midfield.
If Burnley were better attacking we where out of the game a number of times today.
Fulham did it as had better quality.
Amount times we are left 4 vs 3/2
The worst thing about Ten Hag is we've actually been dreadful since the league Cup final and that was 14 months ago.
I wanted to see him given time, he's had plenty. No visible improvement in well over a year now.
I wanted to see him given time, he's had plenty. No visible improvement in well over a year now.
I lost faith in the Carabao Cup game against Newcastle at home in November. They played 6 fullbacks that game. Decimated by injuries, 2/3 of their backline had never played under Eddie Howe before, everyone was out of position.
They still played exactly the same way they always do. And they played us off the park, 3-0. It's inexcusable.
I think there is some issues with his instincts as a striker. There was a sequence where the ball was played into space to Garnacho and a true striker would be sprinting into the box to get on to the end of a cross (watch Kane or Lewandowski), Instead Hojlund jogged slowly towards the goal, not choosing a near post or far post angle. Garnacho puts a ball into the 6 yd box to nobody because Hojlund has realized too late…
He’s young so maybe there is time to learn those very important instincts/habits. A player who is goal hungry is always going to make that run. Maybe it’s a mentality thing…
I just can't imagine the stubborn arrogance to keep playing the same midfield set up despite everything we have seen this season.
The best football Utd have played under him has been with a standard midfield 2, Cas and Eriksen or Cas and Fred, him transitioning to a 4-1-4-1 became increasingly prevalent after the league cup final, and the results cratered.
The best football Utd have played under him has been with a standard midfield 2, Cas and Eriksen or Cas and Fred, him transitioning to a 4-1-4-1 became increasingly prevalent after the league cup final, and the results cratered.
Finishing bottom of the easiest CL group we could have got, should have woken the owners up.
You're right, no football team has ever had a new manager bounce and we shouldn't change things up now after producing months and months of absolutely terrible football and terrible results, because trying something new when the old stuff is so blatantly not working is madness.
I have you beat, iirc for me it was Hojlund first game. The preseason perplexed me but during the game in question I was focused on Martial game off the ball, Martial has generally been very good at cutting passing angles but he was doing something different that I couldn't explain, he would drop next to Bruno and neither would really cover anything special, it was as if they had a predetermined action that made no practical, then I see Hojlund do the exact same thing.
Oh man
He’s young and willing to learn. We should get some 1:1 coaching with Ruud or RvPI think there is some issues with his instincts as a striker. There was a sequence where the ball was played into space to Garnacho and a true striker would be sprinting into the box to get on to the end of a cross (watch Kane or Lewandowski), Instead Hojlund jogged slowly towards the goal, not choosing a near post or far post angle. Garnacho puts a ball into the 6 yd box to nobody because Hojlund has realized too late…
He’s young so maybe there is time to learn those very important instincts/habits. A player who is goal hungry is always going to make that run. Maybe it’s a mentality thing…
The fecking audacity of this charlatan to talk about sides that were rebuilding.
Yeah, rebuilding is what should have been happening over the last 24 months. That's what you were fecking hired for.
Yeah, rebuilding is what should have been happening over the last 24 months. That's what you were fecking hired for.
The managerial options back then are as thin as they are now. I do wonder who we go for, everyone will be a gamble. There's RDZ, Inzaghi, Motta or maybe McKenna. Each of them have their questions. At the start of the season I wanted us to focus on the football over the results. I honestly wouldn't mind if we were on the same points but I could see that the football is going in the right direction. But I can't. Whoever the next manager is I just want to see modern, sustainable football first.
feck off, that can't be a true quote can it??!
Good grief.
All his quotes are starting to sound like job interview sound bites. He’s putting distance between himself and the team now also, “it’s not me, it’s you” stuff.
I know, but we cannot carry on like this.
He's right, we are very entertaining. Our football makes the match day threads a right laugh.
Aye for all the wrong fecking reasons.
He’s saying exactly what you’d expect a manager to say who’s trying to blame the club and distance himself from failure. It’s the same type of comments we’ve seen from every manager who’s been in their final months here.
We've gotten to the point where the quotes look like fan/rival piss takes
He’s now taking pot shots at the great man’s Utd sides. Guy’s completely lost it. Jim should be lining up a replacement as we speak.
Absolutely not. If we get it right, it could massively increase our chances. That new manager bounce can work wonders.
No words
United Stand probably already moaning about people saying he should be sacked, and saying that he should be given next season.
The end game
You could be right, it does seem really odd behaviour from him right now.
You'd imagine Ajax are an open goal for him, but perhpas he's thinking he can land one of the better jobs this summer, Bayern or Chelsea maybe.
I feel like angry Walter in The Big Lebowski wanting to find Erik's car and then smash it with a crowbar.
There’s a few reasons why he’s might be pushing this “rebuild” stuff.
Option 1 is to basically troll the fans base that rabidly wants him out, in which case I applaud him as it’s amusing watching lads lose their sh*t over it.
Option 2 is he’s already been told (whether INEOs mean it or not) that he’s got next season regardless. That the crazy football since start of April is actually him showing the entertainment side of his game and INEOs think it’s not the worst for next season that will be about a rebuild.
Option 3 he hasn’t a clue of his future and isn’t completely wrong , as United games have been entertaining (for wrong reasons for us) and he’s a bit tone deaf on this
Option 4 is it suits INEOs for him to keep talking about rebuilds regardless of whether he’s here or not
Yeah it's a weird place. I could be completely wrong but I airways got the impression there were a lot of overseas fans that were just trying too hard. It's not just with Ten Hag but any negativity seems to be down voted. Which is odd when you consider the last 10 years.
Option 4 is he knows he's off and it's damage limitation. The most likely option.
You can never predict the reddit hive mind. His anti journalist/fake media stance won him lots of points.
The eternal pessimist! I would agree though, if we're honest the warning signs have been there since last season. I try to ignore it and give him faith but for example, his first two games were actually close to what we're seeing now until the Brentford game when he abandoned his style. That Brighton game we played Eriksen up top, then he played Fred Eriksen Bruno midfield against Brentford. The same problems he had at Ajax - a soft core. When he changed it at the time I thought it was a good thing that he was willing to be flexible. But now he's returned to his original ideas and it evidently doesn't work.
We just all decide at different point enough is enough and we can't ignore the repeating patterns.
It’s got to stop, throw the man a lifeline and give him the boot. It’s cringeworthy watching him talking absolute shit.
Surely it’s not mathematical now to make CL so let’s not feck around anymore. Let him go build some bollocks back in Holland.
Surely it’s not mathematical now to make CL so let’s not feck around anymore. Let him go build some bollocks back in Holland.
That’s what I thought! He’s not wrong but it’s a weird brag
For me, his quotes in the last couple of weeks have gotten very distancing, and now we’re at the point where he’s basically saying we’ve got no chance of anything for years despite him coming in and spending £400m in two seasons and signing over 10 players.
It’s all the stuff previous managers have said when they knew they were going also. The blame game starts and the manager turns on the club, team and fans to save his own arse.
You’re probably right though, he’ll have his eye on another big European club this summer but none are going to touch him.
Honestly, for the first time I trust the club (INEOS) to do the right thing. JCB, Berrada, Ashworth and WIlcox they will know the way forward.