Well he’s also blaming the club that Nunez picked Liverpool, a team that has picked up 90+ points in two of the last three seasons, over us. fecking stupid recruitment team not been able to get deals done
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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seriously man what the feck?
How on Earth are we convincing any player to come here ahead of Liverpool and Klopp right now? The recruitment team can’t just fecking hypnotise the bloke.
Same goes for Timber, if his ex manager can’t even convince him to come now, how the feck can the recruitment team? More hypnosis?
Backing your manager is being prepared to go for the players that he wants, and considering we appear to have gone and tried to do a deals for every player he has asked for, the majority of them players he’s coached before, it’s a real fecking head scratcher to say he’s not been backed just because a few players turned him down or joined better places clubs.
Agree with every point. It was always one of Martinez , Antony , Timber .
We could have wrapped the Antony deal on the cheap but we took our time instead. That costed us as Ajax are unwilling to sell now and are asking silly money for him. According to reports ETH did persuaded Timber to join. Unfortunately we were slow in concluding that deal as well which gave LVG (whose is out for our blood because of how the club treated him) the time needed to work his magic on him. We nearly lost Malacia to Lyon as well. Regarding Nunez, there are many ways how to win a transfer race one of which is outbidding opposition (as we did for the likes of Ronaldo and Pogba). I admit that this isn't exactly the best way to go. However it certainly wouldn't have been such a terrible way to act if only Murtough and co were able to even the books by actually selling unwanted players.
We're starting the season with an unfit 37 year old striker who wants out as our only option upfront and a CM who is weaker then last season. Key positions (RB, CM, RW and STK) has not been strengthened yet, most of the players ETH wanted out are still here and Malacia is probably the only signing we've made who had time to get enough first team match game to play tomorrow. Yet somehow the club had 'supported the manager'
You’re utterly off your fecking rocker if you think we should have spent more than 85 fecking million on Nunez, a lost cause.
Nunez was never a realistic signing for us due to the lengths Liverpool went to sign him. And Liverpool are also a more appealing football club to join than we're currently.
Erik ten Hag also went on record in May regarding Antony, where he said, Ajax couldn't afford to sell Antony because they couldn't replace him. And it was reported in early April by Marcel van der Kraan that Ajax wanted £70m to £90m for Antony.
Timber decided to stay at Ajax for further development as a player.
And I'm yet to see a credible link to Dumfries who some Dutch fans say is technically deficient on the ball.
I completely agree with ten Hag about signing the 'right players' even if we have to wait. And if we have to wait, then so be it because I'd rather sign the correct profile of player, rather than what we've done in prior years where we've signed players for big money who quickly became a problem for us.
It's about creating a team in the image of the current head coach, which will look to play a dominant brand of football. Something we haven't seen at the club since the great man retired.
Erik ten Hag also went on record in May regarding Antony, where he said, Ajax couldn't afford to sell Antony because they couldn't replace him. And it was reported in early April by Marcel van der Kraan that Ajax wanted £70m to £90m for Antony.
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Timber decided to stay at Ajax for further development as a player.
And I'm yet to see a credible link to Dumfries who some Dutch fans say is technically deficient on the ball.
I completely agree with ten Hag about signing the 'right players' even if we have to wait. And if we have to wait, then so be it because I'd rather sign the correct profile of player, rather than what we've done in prior years where we've signed players for big money who quickly became a problem for us.
It's about creating a team in the image of the current head coach, which will look to play a dominant brand of football. Something we haven't seen at the club since the great man retired.
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Mental, think I was arguing same point Shinar this lad, directors ringing up Hag saying you got to play him
I agree bonkers but our fanbase carry these stories where we seem to be in for so many players.
On one hand you got us totally incompetent, Murtough is rubbish......but on the other same hand we bidding or making in roads for all the players mentioned, on top of the 3 we signed while running the whole DeJong signing too.....and also sticking bids in for the red bull striker...........something not adding up at all.
For people who haven't a clue they seem to be working hard trying to sign over 10 players.......,....
I think we might be going around in circles here because you said in an earlier message that you don't trust the media and I'm assuming you are a big Ronaldo fan and wont hear a bad word against him. Furthermore, I'm guessing what is going on behind the scenes at Man United, but so are you.
The fact is, four days ago the Telegraph, which is a respectable newspaper, said this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...eptable-cristiano-ronaldo-leaving-manchester/
"Erik ten Hag has slammed Cristiano Ronaldo over his “unacceptable” behaviour after the wantaway striker made an early exit from Manchester United’s friendly against Rayo Vallecano.
And United’s problems on the eve of the new season were piling up with Chelsea attempting to hijack their protracted move for Ten Hag’s No. 1 transfer target Frenkie de Jong.
Ten Hag was left fuming after Ronaldo - who wants to quit the club - and some of his United team-mates left before the end of Sunday’s 1-1 draw against Vallecano.
Asked if Ronaldo and the other players involved would be fined, United sources said the situation was an internal disciplinary matter but Ten Hag made no attempt to hide his anger in an interview with Dutch television.
“I certainly don’t condone this,” Ten Hag told Viaplay Sport Netherlands. “This is unacceptable. For all those involved. We are a team and that means you have to stay until the end [of the game].”
That does seem to single out Ronaldo, but if as you say, he hasn't done that, well my response would be this: the people above him have told him not to, because they want Ronaldo to stay for commercial reasons, not footballing ones.
As regards treating all the players who left early the same - well he obviously wont do that, because apart from Ronaldo, the others had played on Saturday not Sunday & that has been explained repeatedly. That Dalot and Bruno Fernandes were lead astray by CR7 is yet another reason to hold Christiano to account, in my opinion. Finally I think United have a better chance of getting a result vs Brighton today without Ronaldo, rather than than with him - he can't be fit having only had 45 mins pre-season - but without Ronaldo, Dalot and Bruno and maybe others (who I don't know about) well they might be struggling. Brighton do expect to play against 11 today, not 5!
To conclude, my view is this: if Ronaldo plays today even off the bench, we can wave goodbye to yet another season. If Ronaldo goes - and not playing him even when he is match-fit will force him out (possibly by buying out his own contract, which he could easily do) United have a chance.
Was out on the pitch at 09:40am.
Presumably taking it upon himself to personally measure every blade of grass.
Presumably taking it upon himself to personally measure every blade of grass.
I was meant to be in the No.7 hospitality suite today but we’ve been moved to another area as apparently ETH has reinstated the practice of having the whole team arrive at Old Trafford early to dine together before changing and training; rather than just turning up an hour or so before the match
I think once we were quoted that price by Benfica and realised that they were trying to create a bidding war between clubs we pulled out. I'm not sure he was seen as a main target anyway. Andy Mitten seemed to think that most of the talk was coming from the agent.
I'm really hoping we get off to a good start. Anything but a win and reporters will already start to sharpen their knives.
Not to mention that Liverpool are in a much better position to take a risk like that. People often forget that players won't universally look good in different systems.
Nunez has started well for Liverpool; he's quick, a keen runner and causes chaos in the box, but he does also look technically deficient. He's coming into a settled team there, we're a team very much in transition with a new manager and several new players.
I don't trust it quite as much as the Telegraph, but this is in the Express today:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...aldo-Erik-ten-Hag-Brighton-team-news-transfer
Former Liverpool defender Steve Nicol makes a good point: that ETH brought in 5 strict rules and if you break them you don't play. One is lateness and Ronaldo was certainly late to pre-season!
“So if you’re late you can’t play, but if you don’t even bother going to training and missing the whole pre-season you can still play? You make rules, you’re putting yourself on the line and now he has put himself right on the line Ten Hag. The fact that Martial is injured, he maybe has no choice but at the same time if he plays him, then people should start questioning him.
The key is this, with Martial injured should ETK risk going back on his own strong discipline and pick Ronaldo. I say NO - pick a youth player if necessary. If he does pick Ronaldo, the season will be just the same as last time.... we all thought Ralf Rangnick sounded good in his first press-conference, we all thought he was starting out well stamping down on poor body language/petulance... but look what happened to him.
This doesn’t apply as clearly ETH has stated multiple times that Ronaldo was late to pre season due to personal reasons.
You’re creating drama out of thin air
Starting Ronaldo would set a bad precedent. If you are big enough of a star, you are above the rules.
Good luck, Erik. We're all behind you.
once i see his first starting 11 i’m either going to be mildly content or apoplectic with rage.
The club gave Ronaldo permission not to join pre season. He wasn’t late
My point exactly! The club gave permission... but what did the Manager think about that?
My take is that the gave him permission as they want him to find a new club as well, he couldn't and now we're stuck with him.
Yes, you are probably correct, but why indulge him.... if United start well today get a couple of early goals, he will sit on the bench face like thunder because he hasn't scored them.
If its nil, nil with 15 minutes to go he will be in the manager's ear, "put me on Boss, put me on....". Neither scenario helps and ETH shouldn't have to deal with it. But its on him now, he could have left him out of the squad (unless the money people put pressure on him) and then we wouldn't have the Ronaldo circus in town today, at all.
I love him.
I was filling up seeing him come thru the tunnel and greet the crowd.
I was filling up seeing him come thru the tunnel and greet the crowd.
Didn't start Ronaldo despite the needless post. Good man.
De Jong or bust? This approach will not get him far
Watch Man United ruin his name for good.
To be honest he can be a Pep reincarnated but it won’t help with that midfield, it’s criminal that we allowed him to chase Frenkie for this long. I’ve been saying this for ages now.
MCFred, the gift that keeps on giving.
Rightly so. Digging his own grave trusting the players that have let every past manager down.
That was one of the main reasons I wanted Ralf to stay in some capacity upstairs, he would have had none of it after working with this group for half a year. Instead we want to live in the alternative reality where some magician makes these non entities play well.
I no it's not possible to get rid of basically half a squad but Ten Hag should have known most of this squad isn't capable of playing the football he hopes to do, Martinez the player he brought in is basically the only one who looks composed on the ball.
Early days, but this season is already a write off especially if we don't get a bloody midfielder.
Early days, but this season is already a write off especially if we don't get a bloody midfielder.
In the words of famous Mark Goldbridge - "You cant polish a turd".
Expectations this season are based on the transfer window. It’s been a bit of a shitshow with de Jong and Ronaldo, so the bar is pretty low.
Agree, season is a write off.
I am saying this again and again this slow building up team for few years won't work. Splash 400 mn in this window and give best possible tools to ETH to work with.
Then you didn't even need to spend in further windows. Remove the deadwoods. You will be really fine under this manager.
Same players and expecting another result will not do anyone any favour.
Then you didn't even need to spend in further windows. Remove the deadwoods. You will be really fine under this manager.
Same players and expecting another result will not do anyone any favour.
It's a proshesh.
These players are so limited. Until we replace the quality, the manager is always going to be handicapped.