Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

NotChatGPT

Brownfinger
Joined
Jul 3, 2023
Messages
868
I think United would bite back against the "yes man" claim that ESPN(?) claimed they wanted

But it has struck me a bit over the recent years why the likes of Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern at times haven't just got one of the best managers available and have instead got someone much less proven. I have extremely limited knowledge into what the actual reason is, but it seems to me that clubs nowadays like to set up so that the manager changes don't affect recruitment or the clubs style. And the best managers will usually always want more control than that. We've experienced many new beginnings where our managers are responsible for everything. So perhaps it is the most efficient way to operate now?

And although Southgate personally makes me break out in hives, the idea of getting an International manager might make sense in that regard because they are used to just working with what is provided for them, rather than signing their own players. And the crux of their job is simply coaching and getting the best out of what they have and creating the correct environment.
It's just people being silly. Ashworth has stated how the setup works and that the manager will obviously have a major say on transfers, he's more or less said that anything else would be a daft idea, it's just an overall improvement on how the club identify and sign players, in order to minimize risks of spending obscene sums on players that fail. It's mental how you can have direct quotes from Ashworth on the subject, and people are still jumping on newspaper bollox about the club wanting a yes man, only to go on a subsequent rant about how no top manager is going to accept such a scenario. It's stupid as feck on every level there is
 

El Jefe

Full Member
Joined
Dec 28, 2012
Messages
5,033
Maybe the plan was to turn all EtH outers into being for him to stay. This has gone on so long with other candidates taking other jobs and rejecting that it seems like we are just better off keeping ETH now.

it’s a complete shitshow and unfortunately it can get even worse if we decide to appoint Southgate.
 

Melville Red

Full Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2014
Messages
1,079
Location
Arm chair or Pub
This. Every day with "silent treatment" from the club is ETH getting closer to the sack. It's just a matter of arrangements in the backoffice. Like I said, I'm not too bothered about that dragging on a bit.
Nah, there drawing up a brand new contract for him and rightly so, we are on the brink of something big with ETH.
 

fergiewherearethou

Full Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2022
Messages
1,688
Location
Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubuna
Supports
Erik ten Hag
Exactly this... I don't get it either. If you already decided to sack him, just do it. If you want to make a review after the season, do it together with the manager to see if you agree on what has to change and then decide if you go the way with or without him. Starting a review after the season has ended, but not including the manager just looks wrong to me.
With LVG, he was sacked right after the FA cup win, because he missed top4, our standards were higher back then, or we already had Mourinho lined up even before LVG was sacked(strange because we lost 4th on gd if I remember right, or we were close to City).
Now, we either don't have a replacement for ETH(amateurish to say the least) or if the board still want him, say it out loud, give him another year at least we know.
If we, by any chance, are waiting on Southgate it must be a mental decision, I might just don't care anymore.
 

Vidooq

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jun 14, 2023
Messages
282
Location
Macedonia
So, Southgate plans to quit England if they don't win the Euro's... Oh Dear God, this is happening, isn't it... Please God, please, just not him.
 

VP89

Pogba's biggest fan
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
32,708
So, Southgate plans to quit England if they don't win the Euro's... Oh Dear God, this is happening, isn't it... Please God, please, just not him.
Stop crying over hypotheticals you've made in your head.
 

Crimson King

Full Member
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
3,192
So, Southgate plans to quit England if they don't win the Euro's... Oh Dear God, this is happening, isn't it... Please God, please, just not him.
While every day that goes by obviously makes this feel closer, it seems very unlikely. England can't really be officially eliminated until at least the 2nd match day, which is June 20th.

I don't think they're going to wait another week and a half to decide anything, especially as he can't sign anything and could easily decide not to take the job.

England will probably get out of the group anyway, so you're looking at a longer wait then than that for Southgate. If they don't make it out the group, then hiring him would be even more of a PR disaster. The only way they could justify his appointment would be winning England's first trophy since 1966, but the final isn't until 14th July.

It just doesn't add up. If the reports about moving on from other candidates is true, then it seems most likely that EtH will stay, at least at the moment.
 

Rockets Redglare

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jun 23, 2015
Messages
2,758
So, Southgate plans to quit England if they don't win the Euro's... Oh Dear God, this is happening, isn't it... Please God, please, just not him.
No it isn’t, it’s been drummed up by the media because Ashworth has worked with him in the past.
 

Rolaholic

Full Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2016
Messages
11,394



The ever looming specter of Sir Waistcoat all season if he stays on will be sickening...
 

Spark

Full Member
Joined
Jan 13, 2012
Messages
2,335
A quick look at Paddy Power

Next United Manager top3:

- Poch 10/3
- Tuchel 7/2
- Southgate 4/1

Ten Hag to manage first day of the season:

- Yes 11/10
- No 4/7

So basically no one has a fecking clue what is going on (you can still donate money to Paddy Power and back Hansi Flick at 25/1).

I'll be honest, I think Ten Hag is going to stay, as that's the only logical explanation. The available options are awful in comparison and surely INEOS appreciate that the fans want to see good football, something that Southgate literally doesn't do, even with the world's greatest attacking depth at his disposal.
 

RedRocket9908

Full Member
Joined
Feb 7, 2023
Messages
2,963
Location
Manchester
Dont worry Erik your not the only one growing frustrated at the clubs terrible handling of this situation.

INEOS handling of this so far has been disgraceful.

 

romufc

Full Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2019
Messages
13,169
Dont worry Erik your not the only one growing frustrated at the clubs terrible handling of this situation.

INEOS handling of this so far has been disgraceful.

At this point United fans should not be giving that journalist any time of day. He clearly has no idea what is going on and is probably frustrated himself.

He definitely has no insights at United.
 

pcaming

United are an embarrassment.
Joined
Jun 9, 2013
Messages
3,085
Location
Trinidad & Tobago
All getting pretty pathetic at this point. The Glazers would have hired De Zerbi by now, and leaked they would spend big to correct the season by now :lol:.

I really hope it's more secrecy and less indecisiveness, that is the reason for all this.
 

JBG

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 29, 2023
Messages
269
This fecking debacle that INEOS has brought on themselves, is making the preseason/start of the new season and this new "INEOS", (for me) pretty annoying and skeptical towards their actual capabilities to run a huge club like MU.
 

Zed 101

Full Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2014
Messages
1,516
With the shitshow squad, having to get rid of players and an budget of supposedly only £35m not to mention almost zero control over anything I think managers are walking away rather than us passing them up... beginning to dread that we will be stuck with the useless baldy for another season by default
 

Crimson King

Full Member
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
3,192
Dont worry Erik your not the only one growing frustrated at the clubs terrible handling of this situation.

INEOS handling of this so far has been disgraceful.

Yeah but no, I don't think Burt has a direct link into EtH's brain. What other clubs are making huge inroads transfer wise so far? There's international comps on, it's going to be slow no matter who the manager is, especially when we have to shift a fair few.

You're only getting frustrated because the press are telling you to be. Do yourself a favour and log off to just focus on things other than football, at least until the Euros/Copa America starts.
 

glazed

Eats diamonds to beat thermodynamics
Joined
Sep 30, 2012
Messages
7,928
There are four scenarios here:
1. ETH is staying. INEOS didn't meet any other manager => Logical path.
2. ETH is staying. INEOS did meet other managers => This is not a path sensible people will take and does not reflect well upon INEOS if true.
3. ETH is leaving. INEOS didn't meet any other manager => INEOS is stupid.
4. ETH is leaving. INEOS did meet other managers => Logical path.

Going by this, I'd guess if they met with other managers, it probably means ETH has been informed already that he's going to be fired. Then why hasn't he been shown the door yet before his holiday?

Which makes me believe 1 is the most logical step and the journos don't have a clue.
The delay in sacking ETH is partly a cosmetic PR exercise. INEOS made it known before the cup final he was getting sacked regardless of the result but when he won it in some style they didn't want to piss off the fans by doing a van Gaal. Hence the delay.

Secondly they need to announce the new manager pretty much straight away to deal with the backwash of hostility sacking ETH will generate from those who think he was the right guy in the wrong club. Finding said new manager isn't proving easy because they need a yes man who will accept very limited resources, will have no say on transfers and will get scapegoated out of the nearest window minus their reputation this time next year when he doesn't outperform. Unsurprisingly nobody credible is that keen.
 
Last edited:

stevoc

Full Member
Joined
Jun 11, 2011
Messages
21,446
And most of them were going to leave on a free that summer. My point is you can have surgery but whats the point of opening the heart, carrying out the surgery and then leaving it?

Still have to close it all up and let the heart mend. We have just not done enough in the window to progress.
Because there's very little of the heart left to operate on, it's done. Time to call it.

Seriously though I get what you're saying and I don't disagree we need new blood. But the poster I was replying to was talking as if there hasn't already been huge turnover in the squad. There has, it's virtually a new squad. Now it might not be good enough but the majority of the current players weren't in the squad 2 years ago.
 

Smores

Full Member
Joined
May 18, 2011
Messages
25,721
Maybe we're trying to convince FDJ to manage us.

It simply doesn't add up now, either we're being kept waiting by a candidate/ETH or there's some kind of date hurdle we have to get past for financial/legal reasons. It'll all come out eventually then we can judge if our new leadership are idiots.
 

glazed

Eats diamonds to beat thermodynamics
Joined
Sep 30, 2012
Messages
7,928
It's just people being silly. Ashworth has stated how the setup works and that the manager will obviously have a major say on transfers, he's more or less said that anything else would be a daft idea
That's overlooking the very huge and necessary change that the manager will no longer determine the style of play, the style of play will determine the manager. So yes the manager will have a say but ultimately the purchases can proceed without his approval. And if he kicks back too much he gets sacked.
 

romufc

Full Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2019
Messages
13,169
Because there's very little of the heart left to operate on, it's done. Time to call it.

Seriously though I get what you're saying and I don't disagree we need new blood. But the poster I was replying to was talking as if there hasn't already been huge turnover in the squad. There has, it's virtually a new squad. Now it might not be good enough but the majority of the current players weren't in the squad 2 years ago.
Yes, we got rid of alot of players, we just didnt replace them with quality, which is the reason we always have to go back to the heart surgeon every season.

We need to build a squad, which we are seeing signs of with Licha, Dalot, Mainoo, Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund. We need to stop getting short term deals for first teamers like Evans, Ambrabat, Casemiro, Eriksen, Weghorst.

If we signed good young players this summer in CB, CM, ST, then we can say, yes our squad is beginning to take shape now.
 

AltiUn

likes playing with swords after fantasies
Joined
Apr 29, 2014
Messages
23,830
I blame the fanbase suddenly going from wanting him out to foaming at the mouth at the suggestion due to the FA cup win
 

M16Red

Full Member
Joined
Oct 24, 2011
Messages
3,311
Because there's very little of the heart left to operate on, it's done. Time to call it.

Seriously though I get what you're saying and I don't disagree we need new blood. But the poster I was replying to was talking as if there hasn't already been huge turnover in the squad. There has, it's virtually a new squad. Now it might not be good enough but the majority of the current players weren't in the squad 2 years ago.
Erm no I wasn't, when I was talking about open heart surgery - I wasn't just talking about players in or out.

IMO Ralph wasn't talking about just that. I did say we need to buy 4/5 players - but that comment was never just about the squad it was about the culture and the mentally as well.
 

NotChatGPT

Brownfinger
Joined
Jul 3, 2023
Messages
868
That's overlooking the very huge and necessary change that the manager will no longer determine the style of play, the style of play will determine the manager. So yes the manager will have a say but ultimately the purchases can proceed without his approval. And if he kicks back too much he gets sacked.
Nah, i'm not overlooking it, it's just completely irrelevant to the "yes man" debate as they'll pick someone to fit the style of play, they won't hire someone that stands for the complete opposite and then tell him to change.