Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

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The media must fkn love United. 2 weeks of Decision soon, Manager X talked to, ten Haag stays, Ten Haag goes, Decision imminent. They have dined out like fat pigs just in this one story let alone all the other ones we feed them
 

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Pretty much all the time considering that no one ever knows who will be Chelsea’s manager next month.
So there was a manager in charge every time a player was signed. Changing managers is different to.. we are interviewing managers in case we sack our current one.
 

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Let me get this straight. INEOS are treating ETH as a new candidate and re-interviewing him on his return from holiday. Circus show :wenger:
 

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Not a single manager in the world is guaranteed of anything, not even pip!






First time ever that I actually agree with you. :lol:

I also think they've asked Eric to do the same and he's probably drawn a line somewhere. You don't go from wanting and basically demanding that amount of control to becoming a lap dog especially if you don't really need the money.

I bet TT said something like call me when you realise no decent manager is going to sign up to be the doormat
That last paragraph was probably exactly how meeting ended with Ratcliffe looking all awkward
 

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I wonder if he does stay if he'll feel he has a point to prove and that will energize him or if he feels he's been treated badly and is just waiting to be sacked when the ideal candidate comes along? The latter can't be good for the players or himself.

On the one hand he seems to genuinely have affection for United and the fans so I hope that motivates him, on the other hand it's hardly ideal if the owners have no faith in you.
 

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I wonder if he does stay if he'll feel he has a point to prove and that will energize him or if he feels he's been treated badly and is just waiting to be sacked when the ideal candidate comes along? The latter can't be good for the players or himself.

On the one hand he seems to genuinely have affection for United and the fans so I hope that motivates him, on the other hand it's hardly ideal if the owners have no faith in you.
It is very difficult to see how he can stay at this point - he's been completely undermined. He will no doubt be fired if Ineos can find a replacement - the problem is, after at least three weeks of looking, they haven't found the replacement. If Ineos can't find anyone to take the job, they'll obviously have no choice but to keep Ten Hag, but they'd need to take steps to restore confidence with some kind of public gesture of backing for the manager (which would probably take the form of a contract extension).
 

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I wonder if he does stay if he'll feel he has a point to prove and that will energize him or if he feels he's been treated badly and is just waiting to be sacked when the ideal candidate comes along? The latter can't be good for the players or himself.

On the one hand he seems to genuinely have affection for United and the fans so I hope that motivates him, on the other hand it's hardly ideal if the owners have no faith in you.
I think he seems the type to want to prove people wrong. The fact that most match going fans are still behind him, he feels the love and support in the stadium, which is probably important to him.

It is clear he does not give 2 craps about the English media, so it would be very very sweet for him to win something big at United.

It would be good to see him succeed and finish of what he started.
 

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I'd laugh if ETH walked and went elsewhere because he's annoyed at the boards handling of this. Then he goes on to be successful elsewhere and we get Southgate and struggle for 6th.
 

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I'd laugh if ETH walked and went elsewhere because he's annoyed at the boards handling of this. Then he goes on to be successful elsewhere and we get Southgate and struggle for 6th.
He has nowhere to go.

I have made my feelings on ten Hag very clear, I would prefer to proceed with a different manager and I don't rate him particularly high but I'm actually feeling sorry for him (if there's nothing meaningful to this story that we haven't heard). If we keep him, he's been undermined in a way that is just not good, if he is sacked then he will have fewer jobs to choose from / put himself in contention for simply because we've left it so late.
 

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I put the 'keep him' option in the aftermath of Wembley

Didn't realise it would take this long though. If they decide now he's staying, or more likely in the next 2-3 weeks. How is he going to have control over the dressing room next season? They'll know he is easy pickings
 

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If we keep Ten Hag then we'll have to pray that McKenna has a ridiculous season with Ipswich so Ineos lose interest in Southgate.
 

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How is he going to have control over the dressing room next season? They'll know he is easy pickings
Not just our players. Prospective signings will know they're signing for someone who wont be manager by the end of the season. The media will know he's easy pickings. Opposition fans will know he's easy pickings
 

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I'd laugh if ETH walked and went elsewhere because he's annoyed at the boards handling of this. Then he goes on to be successful elsewhere and we get Southgate and struggle for 6th.
Yeah the man who finished 8th could definitely walk away with his head held high, and judging by your post you'd see him as some sort of martyr for it
 

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This’s what you expect from a professional leader with a couple of years of experience. A sensible approach with some room to maneuver.
That's how modern football is run. SAF was good in everything simply because managers in the 80s were expected to do everything. That allowed him to build up the knowledge to tackle everything from transfers to the academy right to tactics and man management. These days such knowledge is fragmented in many different roles done by specialized people. That allow clubs to be act quicker (ie a specialized recruiter rather then one who has to do everything), it limits mistakes and it allows people to do what they are specialized in.

United's current system is open to abuse. A manager can basically bring as many mates and his agency clients as possible. No wonder why INEOS wants to change that and no wonder why certain, clearly biased, media outlets are so aggressive regarding ETH losing power. I heard a popular Youtuber saying that ETH had inherited the worst EPL side EVER. Was Ole's side worse then Derby 2007-2008 or Sunderland 2005-2006?
 

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My new theory is the media got ahead of themselves because they thought we'd get destroyed in the cup final and jumped on that rumour.

What's funny is that people assumed Ten Hag would be sacked because the media reported that he would.

These same journalists who reported this pre cup final are now demonstrating they've no idea what's going and are now basically contradicting themselves on a daily basis. The club have leaked nothing, have said nothing and we still have a manager.

There's every chance that the club have decided Ten Hag is staying, at least in the short to medium term and the review is more focusing what his day to day role will look like in the wider structure going forward for the next few months.
 

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My new theory is the media got ahead of themselves because they thought we'd get destroyed in the cup final and jumped on that rumour.

What's funny is that people assumed Ten Hag would be sacked because the media reported that he would.

These same journalists who reported this pre cup final are now demonstrating they've no idea what's going and are now basically contradicting themselves on a daily basis. The club have leaked nothing, have said nothing and we still have a manager.

There's every chance that the club have decided Ten Hag is staying, at least in the short to medium term and the review is more focusing what his day to day role will look like in the wider structure going forward for the next few months.
I was about to post something along these lines myself, but you've captured my view with this.

I reckon you are bang on.
 

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Well, we have to hand it to INEOS about one thing. They stopped the leaks completely. Or they are truly undecided :)
 

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My new theory is the media got ahead of themselves because they thought we'd get destroyed in the cup final and jumped on that rumour.

What's funny is that people assumed Ten Hag would be sacked because the media reported that he would.

These same journalists who reported this pre cup final are now demonstrating they've no idea what's going and are now basically contradicting themselves on a daily basis. The club have leaked nothing, have said nothing and we still have a manager.

There's every chance that the club have decided Ten Hag is staying, at least in the short to medium term and the review is more focusing what his day to day role will look like in the wider structure going forward for the next few months.
Its also because alot of fans wanted him to be sacked so the headline was more reinforcing that point.
 

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Not just our players. Prospective signings will know they're signing for someone who wont be manager by the end of the season. The media will know he's easy pickings. Opposition fans will know he's easy pickings
Yea, the press conferences in pre-season and then during the season will be miserable if he is still there. He won an FA Cup and the press were unrelenting after it in the press conference, when we lose he will be killed. He has been absolutely hung out to dry.
 

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Well, we have to hand it to INEOS about one thing. They stopped the leaks completely. Or they are truly undecided :)
It seems they have stopped the leaks. If we take the most reputable journalist Ornstein, he even said he doesn't know, instead of saying, a decision could come next week but probably wont. Which is what other journalists are doing because they have no clue.

It is interested because now journalists will just make up loads of stuff, like JBurt from Telegraph without any idea what is going on.

We should not believe any of these chancers.
 

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Well, we have to hand it to INEOS about one thing. They stopped the leaks completely. Or they are truly undecided :)
Maybe there's nothing to say.

If they came out and said "Ten Hag is staying" the same media would report that it was the "dreaded vote of confidence" and that he'd still be sacked in 6 weeks.
 

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There's every chance that the club have decided Ten Hag is staying, at least in the short to medium term and the review is more focusing what his day to day role will look like in the wider structure going forward for the next few months.
If that was the case, shouldn't he be included in the review? After all we are talking here about a significant shift of responsibilities, which might also require to work on his contract again to take some away from him. Not involving him in such discussions seems weird.
 

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The club have leaked nothing, have said nothing and we still have a manager.
Not true though. The club have said they're doing a review, and that they will decide on the manager position after the review. And have briefed that this review has no time limit.
 

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I don't buy into the idea that it's effecting the transfer window too much, because I don't think the new regime want the manager having too much input into transfers, other than identifying areas of the squad he needs filled, which he can very easily have done before going on holiday.

My only worry, is the horrible, nagging voice in the back of my head that says if they were going to replace Ten Hag with Southgate, he'd ask them to hold off on doing anything that might create a circus around his Euro's campaign.
 

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I don't buy into the idea that it's effecting the transfer window too much, because I don't think the new regime want the manager having too much input into transfers, other than identifying areas of the squad he needs filled, which he can very easily have done before going on holiday.

My only worry, is the horrible, nagging voice in the back of my head that says if they were going to replace Ten Hag with Southgate, he'd ask them to hold off on doing anything that might create a circus around his Euro's campaign.
That clown creates his own circus with his baffling decisions. What is it with failing managers being touted/gaining some of the biggest jobs in football?
 

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I don't buy into the idea that it's effecting the transfer window too much, because I don't think the new regime want the manager having too much input into transfers, other than identifying areas of the squad he needs filled, which he can very easily have done before going on holiday.
I don't think the issue comes from this side, but more from the point of view of players. The current situation means that a player who is approached by United will not know:
  • Who is going to be the manager/my boss?
  • Who will decide above the manager and set the general direction? (Probably Ashworth, but not officially in office yet)
  • What will the style of play look like, on which direction did the club decide?
  • What are the expectations for the coming seasons, what is the club aiming for?
  • Which other players are in favour, which are likely to leave? (This will also depend a bit on the manager, even if his voice is limited)
All this can be a factor for a player to step back from a United offer at the moment. It's reasonable to assume that EtH is worried about that in case he stays, as all this are reasonable assumptions about transfer discussions with players.
 

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My initial point was directed at the multiple of posts I've seen in this very thread saying ETH deserves better or similar but yeah it's something we both agree on.

As for the bolded, that's where I think we may differ on. Considering the options available, I'm ambivalent about whether ETH goes because I don't think it's a straightforward easy decision and that's where INEOS are probably at now, hence the managerial reviews. I think the last month where ETH abandoned his suicidal 4-2-4 (with probably some influence from above), got some 'solid' results and winning the FA Cup (with a good performance no less), threw a spanner in the works from what I thought was an untenable position before i.e full sack worthy. It probably showed to them, he's not unworkable, has some redeeming qualities and I know this will be disputed, is somewhat of a 'winner', which I think is an underrated aspect not seen in the other choices (bar Tuchel, who is now seemingly out of contention).

For INEOS, who have recruited a team of decision makers, I can understand why they don't want too abrasive personalities and want someone, who can work 'under' them. So if you look at the choices, between Frank/Soutgate (shudders), Poch (now also not in contention apparently), the only remaining worthy candidate and my personal choice if I had to decide would be RDZ. I would love for us to start playing in a dominating fashion the way RDZ set up his teams but do you sack a manager (+ pay compensation), who has shown he can get results (22-23 season, League and FA Cup), risk alienating some of the fanbase when there is already goodwill because of the 'strong' finish to the season and gamble big with a fresh era? This is also after only having been in the job for 6 months where a couple of the key decision makers have not officially started yet or have been in/around the club for any meaningful timeline. From a footballing perspective on and off the pitch, it's not clear cut at all if you take all these factors into account.

For me, it's easy to see why they want to take as much time as they can.
We could afford them to take time if there wasn't so many significant issues in the first XI, unfortunately there is so we need to get this sorted in order to crack on with transfer priorities
 

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If INEOS come out now backing ETH, it will be bleeding obvious they’re only doing it because they couldn’t secure anyone else.
 

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If it’s true that INEOS are not impressed by the potential candidates, you’d wonder why they just started reviewing managers and not when the likes of Motta, Amorim, Inzaghi, Nagelsmann were feasible
 

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I’m fairly convinced if the Glazers are still in charge of the football decisions at the club, Tuchel would most likely already be Manchester United’s manager now
 

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It's a fairly standard setup, one that ETH has been a part of at Ajax. It would surprise me if most clubs aren't working towards this, and that upcoming managers will be quite used to it as well.

It's not a problem.
It's not a problem unless you want a statement manager like Pep or Klopp or Tuchel or Ancelotti etc. Then they expect to be a bit more in charge. It's also not a problem if you are already a well run club with everything ticking over and a new coach is just another cog in the machine.

So for us it's a problem.

I’m fairly convinced if the Glazers are still in charge of the football decisions at the club, Tuchel would most likely already be Manchester United’s manager now
We dodged a bullet. Jose Mark II