Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

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If you were Sir Gareth of Southgate would you really say yes to the job knowing 99% of the fanbase don't want you? I know I wouldn't.
Would be amazing if they did go for him and he said " No fecking chance, are you mad"?
 

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Wasted a month ogling Southgate from afar, tapping at his window hoping he'll come and talk to them.
 

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Surely this delay is because the Glazers are waiting for Qatar to come in and make a massive bid to blow Brexshit Jim out of the water
 

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Oh, you're not one of them lot are you, still hoping for the AI Sheikh to finally submit his bid? Twitter is full of them.
Really? I really find it intriguing how a different ownership would have fared. I would say, probably worse than these lot.

I can imagine they would have done the same thing, big words, promises but its not easy. Look at Newcastle for instance, they haven't found it easy with Saudi money.

The FFP issues are real and however we feel about INEOS on this decision, they seem to have done better than I thought.

For Instance recognising its the culture and structure, getting Berrada in, I feel the ME ownership would have gone for name rather than recognising who is the best fit.

Throwing money at United is definitely not the answer.
 

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Really? I really find it intriguing how a different ownership would have fared. I would say, probably worse than these lot.

I can imagine they would have done the same thing, big words, promises but its not easy. Look at Newcastle for instance, they haven't found it easy with Saudi money.

The FFP issues are real and however we feel about INEOS on this decision, they seem to have done better than I thought.

For Instance recognising its the culture and structure, getting Berrada in, I feel the ME ownership would have gone for name rather than recognising who is the best fit.

Throwing money at United is definitely not the answer.
Actually the loss from covid is removed in the next cycle and we should no longer be restricted much by FFP, Swedish Ramble on Twitter has done plenty of breakdowns on this leading up to this summer
 

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Actually the loss from covid is removed in the next cycle and we should no longer be restricted much by FFP, Swedish Ramble on Twitter has done plenty of breakdowns on this leading up to this summer
My point is regardless who took over, there was never a 500m spend on players. Sorting the culture, the club out takes longer.

INEOS have started that in their review which has started with the club in terms of other employees first over football staff.
 

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Maybe the plan was to turn all EtH outers into being for him to stay.
guys, let’s look indecisive - at best - and incompetent and swayed by the public at worst, to get the guys that don’t think a manager that’s presided over our worst ever prem campaign should keep his job - to rally around him

So now “EtH outers” went from “EtH out” to “EtH out” + “These INEOS guys look shaky”.

Masterclass.
 

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Really? I really find it intriguing how a different ownership would have fared. I would say, probably worse than these lot.

I can imagine they would have done the same thing, big words, promises but its not easy. Look at Newcastle for instance, they haven't found it easy with Saudi money.

The FFP issues are real and however we feel about INEOS on this decision, they seem to have done better than I thought.

For Instance recognising its the culture and structure, getting Berrada in, I feel the ME ownership would have gone for name rather than recognising who is the best fit.

Throwing money at United is definitely not the answer.
Whilst I completely agree the culture needed to change and the appointments so far and incoming appointment (Dan Ashworth) was much better than I expected from Ineos the manager situation is the complete opposite.

We are openly interviewing people for a manager position that isn't even vacated and all whilst dithering about what to do with the one we have and the press is fully aware of everything we are doing, it's farcical.

We've had the press leak managers being sacked before they've been told and that was bad but to not even know whether you're going to keep the manager you have whilst interviewing other managers is a new low and so embarrassing.

How can ETH command anything from these players now if he's asked to stay when they all know how Ineos are likely to treat him should they down tools next season. It's irreparable.
 

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We've 8 players left from the squad Ralf managed mate.

That's where the open heart surgery comment comes from. What your describing is just ongoing continuous squad management and turnover.
These fecking players are letting everyone down though, and their power is unbelievable.
 

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Whilst I completely agree the culture needed to change and the appointments so far and incoming appointment (Dan Ashworth) was much better than I expected from Ineos the manager situation is the complete opposite.

We are openly interviewing people for a manager position that isn't even vacated and all whilst dithering about what to so with the one we have and the while press is fully aware of evething we are doing, it's farcical.

We've had the press leak Managers being sacked before they've been told and that was bad but to not even know whether you're going to keep the manager you have whilst interviewing other managers is a new low and so embarrassing.

How can ETH command anything from these players now if he's asked to stay when they all know how Ineos are likely to treat him should they down tools next season. It's irreparable.
Agreed on your points. I don't agree on how they are going about things with ETH regardless if you want him sacked or stay.

The issue is now, how much credibility will he have when he comes back, will some players think, he will be sacked soon anyway, I dont need to try?

If he doesn't play certain players, they will start leaking things to try force him out.

The only way now is INEOS to say he is our man and give him a contract, otherwise we will go all season with the same issues
 

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Getting a whole new band of excuses ready, he doesn't mess around does he?
He's not wrong though is he? this whole saga is slowing down our transfer business as we cant sign anyone until we know who is going to be the manager, with the Euro's and Copa America being on this was a summer where we needed to be able to act quickly in the transfer market as the price of players goes up during and after international tournaments.

INEOS and/or Joel Glazer have handled this whole thing poorly especially If its true that Erik and his staff dont even know if they still have jobs yet.
 

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Getting a whole new band of excuses ready, he doesn't mess around does he?
Yep, lets take what this crap journalist said as gospel, he definitely has insights with Ten Hag, which is why he knows Mainoo cant play the 6 role, Ten Hag must have told him?
 

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Nah, i'm not overlooking it, it's just completely irrelevant to the "yes man" debate as they'll pick someone to fit the style of play, they won't hire someone that stands for the complete opposite and then tell him to change.
But in between those extremes are the players that the manager thinks can fit into his needs and the ones the club want. Personal relationships, nuances, short term needs, managerial authority they all play a part. Political power in other words. And INEOS have signalled that this will lie far more with the club in future.
 

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guys, let’s look indecisive - at best - and incompetent and swayed by the public at worst, to get the guys that don’t think a manager that’s presided over our worst ever prem campaign should keep his job - to rally around him

So now “EtH outers” went from “EtH out” to “EtH out” + “These INEOS guys look shaky”.

Masterclass.
I’ll take any bit of cope but you’re right I was EtH out and hopeful on Jim but now him and his INEOS pals look no different to the Glazers.

We desperately need Berrada and Ashworth to start as soon as possible. We just need to hope Jim doesn’t insist on being central to every decision made or we’re cooked.
 

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Came across this on my Twitter timeline. Not saying it’s right but given none of us have a clue, an alternative scenario….

If this was somehow their plan all along then their media management of the whole thing leaves a lot to be desired.

Not that I think this has any credibility whatsoever.
 

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Came across this on my Twitter timeline. Not saying it’s right but given none of us have a clue, an alternative scenario….

This is just plain stupid.

ETH has a contract with the club. He has a team working for and with him. He has plans that have been developed and being developed and are being executed.

It’s nonsense to say he’s being treated as a candidate and completely ignores all the important moral, logistical and legal context of the situation.
 

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My point is regardless who took over, there was never a 500m spend on players. Sorting the culture, the club out takes longer.

INEOS have started that in their review which has started with the club in terms of other employees first over football staff.
And again you are wrong about how much we can spend. Feel free to check the source I mentioned
 

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This is just plain stupid.

ETH has a contract with the club. He has a team working for and with him. He has plans that have been developed and being developed and are being executed.

It’s nonsense to say he’s being treated as a candidate and completely ignores all the important moral, logistical and legal context of the situation.
This is little different to when any large business gets taken over. The senior team all have to prove their worth all over again. Perfectly legal and barely matters logistically Whether its moral or not, well, this is football. Morals rarely matter.
 

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But in between those extremes are the players that the manager thinks can fit into his needs and the ones the club want. Personal relationships, nuances, short term needs, managerial authority they all play a part. Political power in other words. And INEOS have signalled that this will lie far more with the club in future.
It's a fairly standard setup, one that ETH has been a part of at Ajax. It would surprise me if most clubs aren't working towards this, and that upcoming managers will be quite used to it as well.

It's not a problem.
 

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INEOS do look pathetic, I said as much three weeks ago and it's nothing to do with absconding patience it's the need for there to be a definitive statement of intent. It's provisionally a new ownership, it can't be business as usual with everything surrounding the manager.

I'll take journo pieces about what INEOS want to do with a grain of salt but things coming from the perspective of the manager are more likely to be correct given how accessible he will be compared to the hierarchy.

Many just assume that INEOS will be successful with United but I have been saying for months they have just as much to prove as new player purchased for the club. Nothing by any means is a given.
 

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After we decided to not go for Tuchel, which was obviously by far the best man out there, I´d hope to see commitment to Eric. And to start preparations.
Southgate, RDZ, Poch are awful options and not worth taking the risk. At all costs should the club avoid to hand one of them another 3-5 yr contract.
 

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There are four scenarios here:
1. ETH is staying. INEOS didn't meet any other manager => Logical path.
2. ETH is staying. INEOS did meet other managers => This is not a path sensible people will take and does not reflect well upon INEOS if true.
3. ETH is leaving. INEOS didn't meet any other manager => INEOS is stupid.
4. ETH is leaving. INEOS did meet other managers => Logical path.

Going by this, I'd guess if they met with other managers, it probably means ETH has been informed already that he's going to be fired. Then why hasn't he been shown the door yet before his holiday?

Which makes me believe 1 is the most logical step and the journos don't have a clue.
A fair assessment. Another option is that INEOS have a completely different timeline than current fan expectations of when things should happen, and are ignoring the noise and simply taking their time. This is increasingly more likely given that Ashworth, who is still not on the job yet, will want some degree of input into matters before United begin diving headfirst into new players and a potential new manager.
 
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After we decided to not go for Tuchel, which was obviously by far the best man out there, I´d hope to see commitment to Eric. And to start preparations.
Southgate, RDZ, Poch are awful options and not worth taking the risk. At all costs should the club avoid to hand one of them another 3-5 yr contract.
I’d rather ETH than Tuchel aswell. Think you could argue we’ve had a better season than Tuchel and Bayern. We won a trophy in a harder country. They didn’t even win the German cup, let alone the league.
 

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The only way they can save this now is doing a deal for a manager under the radar, however I don't think they are capable unfortunately. Thought they were after Berrada appointment but this whole managerial saga convinced me otherwise. Just keep Erik because at least then I can go on supporting the club whereas Southgate makes me want to walk.
 

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I know one thing though, getting players to sign up with the future manager still up in the air is much harder than having a set manager.
I do not think this is true. Chelsea never struggled to sign players and their manager changes every 2 weeks.