Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

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Poor Ten Hag coming into this circus, it’s been one thing after another since he came in, hopefully he’s thick skinned and doesn’t let it bother him.
Its not Ten Hag exclusive. It's just the club. Look at when Mourinho (who admittedly bought a lot of the circus himself) had the whole Pogba fiasco. Then poor Ole had to make big calls with Lukaku and then HE had to contend with a Pogba fiasco.

We just sign toxic players and have toxic owners and the managers have to just deal with that.
 

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That Tuchel situation was an odd one. Managers who are progressive and managed big clubs and won CL getting sacked so easily.
New owner wanted to cut off the old regime and bring in all new staff. It does happen I'm afraid and its worrying for Ten Hag but we should be okay.

About Boehly though.. the comforting thing about him and Chelsea is that he bought in Aubameyang for Tuchel and then got rid of Tuchel leaving Auba stranded which fills me with hope that he is going to be a terrible owner for them.
 

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We can all agree that the squad is still nowhere near complete even with that amount spent, the same 200 has to be in at least 3 windows in a row.
Yes. We should definitely spend 600m on transfer fees alone - our entire yearly revenue - in a single calendar year. Anything other than that is “spending restraints” and it would totally be legal under FFP.
 

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It wasn’t long ago that there were debates on here that our fanbase are the easiest to please with little demands for standards and results.
And I would agree with that notion. There's a tendency to assume a trophy can never ever be won in a manager 1st season. Then in the 2nd season they expect the FA Cup. It's only in the 3rd season when a title challenge is expected and if that doesn't happen and the manager gets the sack, we start "rebuilding" all over again and shouldn't expect a trophy in the shortterm.
 

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Brilliant Manager, he's done well so far but he needs to win one of the available cups to give him more time for the rebuild and structuring of the club.
 

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Brilliant Manager, he's done well so far but he needs to win one of the available cups to give him more time for the rebuild and structuring of the club.
He will be given time. Everyone knows that he took over a shit show
 

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He's the best decision the club have made in a very long time. He has a clear plan and he's working to implement it.

Too many people have some kind of yardstick "must finish x" "must win at least x this season"

If people can't see the vast improvement in the way United play compared to any other manager post Ferguson, then I'm not sure what they're watching.

The manager will be working now with all the young players and the remaining senior players and will have 5 weeks of solid coaching time to get them playing his system better. I think we're going to see an even better playing style after the world Cup with a few more of the young lads like Iqbal and McNeil breaking through by the end of the season.
 

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He's the best decision the club have made in a very long time. He has a clear plan and he's working to implement it.

Too many people have some kind of yardstick "must finish x" "must win at least x this season"

If people can't see the vast improvement in the way United play compared to any other manager post Ferguson, then I'm not sure what they're watching.

The manager will be working now with all the young players and the remaining senior players and will have 5 weeks of solid coaching time to get them playing his system better. I think we're going to see an even better playing style after the world Cup with a few more of the young lads like Iqbal and McNeil breaking through by the end of the season.
I was with you until you said Iqbal and McNeil. They're alright but they're not likely to make it here.
 

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Realistically it's much to early to judge him on anything other than his conduct and the way he's handled adversity. Both of which have been top notch. The footballing side of things will either happen in time or it wont, but he's given off no red flags yet.
 

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After Ronaldo saga, he is now facing even bigger problem that the owners are looking to sell the club. Hope Glazers continue to spend on the team until the new owner is found. And the new owner will be supportive of ETH. Too many unknowns and hope it doesn't affect him. What a bad time to be at the club.

For the immediate future the Glazer need to sign him a striker to replace Ronaldo. For mid-term we need to have a strong summer window again. For long term, hope the Glazers feck off soon and a new owner is found.
 

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After Ronaldo saga, he is now facing even bigger problem that the owners are looking to sell the club. Hope Glazers continue to spend on the team until the new owner is found. And the new owner will be supportive of ETH. Too many unknowns and hope it doesn't affect him. What a bad time to be at the club.

For the immediate future the Glazer need to sign him a striker to replace Ronaldo. For mid-term we need to have a strong summer window again. For long term, hope the Glazers feck off soon and a new owner is found.
Guarantee we don't sign number 9 in January
 

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Now with probably the last dickhead primadonna out I'm really looking forward to the rest of the season. We'll play some nice football I reckon. Hope the board will buy him a new striker in Jan.
My thoughs exactly. I have a lot of faith in EtH but he needs to be backed.

Your username seems familiar. From Stalker?
 

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He's the best decision the club have made in a very long time. He has a clear plan and he's working to implement it.

Too many people have some kind of yardstick "must finish x" "must win at least x this season"

If people can't see the vast improvement in the way United play compared to any other manager post Ferguson, then I'm not sure what they're watching.

The manager will be working now with all the young players and the remaining senior players and will have 5 weeks of solid coaching time to get them playing his system better. I think we're going to see an even better playing style after the world Cup with a few more of the young lads like Iqbal and McNeil breaking through by the end of the season.
I personally not expecting much change to the way we play atleast immediately and think lot of the players will show up only by December 3rd week where we play on Dec-27th. Also thought ETH has not been in Carrington last few weeks himself. May be by end of the season we might see the style of play by end of the season. This isn't saying that you are wrong or anything rather just my opinion.
 

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My thoughs exactly. I have a lot of faith in EtH but he needs to be backed.

Your username seems familiar. From Stalker?
Yes. You've played that game too I guess.

And your username? The band or the worm?
 

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I personally not expecting much change to the way we play atleast immediately and think lot of the players will show up only by December 3rd week where we play on Dec-27th. Also thought ETH has not been in Carrington last few weeks himself. May be by end of the season we might see the style of play by end of the season. This isn't saying that you are wrong or anything rather just my opinion.
Yes, what you say is completely fair.
 

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Guarantee we don't sign number 9 in January
There is no way Spurs sell Kane, Napoli sell Osimhen, Juve sell Vlahovic, AC Milan sell Leao, Brentford sell Toney or Lille sell David, if there is anyone left let me know
So you mean we won't sing a top number 9.

Cuz we can very easily get a temp no.9, depay or thuram, or Felix on loan etc.
 

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So you mean we won't sing a top number 9.

Cuz we can very easily get a temp no.9, depay or thuram, or Felix on loan etc.
Wouldn't class Depay or Felix as your typical number 9. Can't really comment on Thuram as don't know enough about him.
 

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Honestly 18 clubs out of the league would pray for the investment constraints that the Glazers have supposedly imposed. Our problem isn't financial. Its strategic management.
The way money spent over the last 10 years has just been appalling. Hundreds of millions were spent just on the galacticos projects alone. That strategic blunder really points only at one man, Woodward.
This chestnut keeps coming up - the Glazers spent a lot but spent badly. It ignores the intimate connection between the commercialisation of the club and the bad spending decisions. It gave us Ole, the coach who rolled over because he knew he was there as a yes man not a top coach. It gave us Ronaldo mark 2 and a whole load of other big names at the fag end of their careers. It made us miss out on Klopp and who knows how many players who cared about winning more than they cared about their pay packet. And it gave us Woodward in charge. The list goes on and on.
 

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This chestnut keeps coming up - the Glazers spent a lot but spent badly. It ignores the intimate connection between the commercialisation of the club and the bad spending decisions. It gave us Ole, the coach who rolled over because he knew he was there as a yes man not a top coach. It gave us Ronaldo mark 2 and a whole load of other big names at the fag end of their careers. It made us miss out on Klopp and who knows how many players who cared about winning more than they cared about their pay packet. And it gave us Woodward in charge. The list goes on and on.
:lol: Mate, I think you're agreeing with him. His main point that our woe is not about financial but the non-existent strategic management. The later includes spending badly, getting a Yes man manager, focus more on commercialization above football success, etc.
 

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I am totally behind EtH and what he has done so far.
Some of the deadwood has gone and the rest have been marginalized as he looks to rebuild the team/squad. His signings have improved us considerably.

I like how he conducts himself and how he handles the media. I like his "good is not good enough" philosophy. But most of all I enjoy watching us play, after years of turgid, unexciting football.

It will take time for us to be back where we want to be, but I am finally optimistic.
 
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This chestnut keeps coming up - the Glazers spent a lot but spent badly. It ignores the intimate connection between the commercialisation of the club and the bad spending decisions. It gave us Ole, the coach who rolled over because he knew he was there as a yes man not a top coach. It gave us Ronaldo mark 2 and a whole load of other big names at the fag end of their careers. It made us miss out on Klopp and who knows how many players who cared about winning more than they cared about their pay packet. And it gave us Woodward in charge. The list goes on and on.
Er, what part of “Our problem isn't financial. Its strategic management” fails to account for the issues that you've (correctly) mentioned?
 

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There is no way Spurs sell Kane, Napoli sell Osimhen, Juve sell Vlahovic, AC Milan sell Leao, Brentford sell Toney or Lille sell David, if there is anyone left let me know
Rightly or wrongly, Kane will be one of our top targets this summer. Also everyone has a price as we saw with Antony. Ajax had half of their squad bought in the summer and were adament that no more would leave - enter John Murtough dressed as the Monopoly Man with a suitcase and 100m and its deal done.

Toney after the gambling thing is out of the question. David I dont think is good enough
 

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Made me chuckle thinking of his first press conference back after the WC.

Most managers will just be asked about upcoming preparations, how their players got on in the WC

Ten Hag will have to field questions on why their biggest name player has been sacked and the potential sale of the entire club.
 

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When he's not just spending 200m on recent window.
True but you have to factor that our spend last window was inflated by inaction and the resulting late window panic spend. It wasn't a true 200m and it could have been prevented if the Glazers had a clue how to structure the club for continuity of action. We're constantly overhauling because they bring no expertise on the business side of the game. Can't wait till they leave so we are no longer having to back their structure on crappy questionable decisions like staking an entire summer on Frenkie De Jong. Without a breakthrough that situation could be in court till long after his retirement.
 

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Rightly or wrongly, Kane will be one of our top targets this summer.

I really hope not.

This summer is exactly the moment a smart club like Bayern or Madrid would sell Kane for silly money. We all know what happens then.
 

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True but you have to factor that our spend last window was inflated by inaction and the resulting late window panic spend. It wasn't a true 200m and it could have been prevented if the Glazers had a clue how to structure the club for continuity of action. We're constantly overhauling because they bring no expertise on the business side of the game. Can't wait till they leave so we are no longer having to back their structure on crappy questionable decisions like staking an entire summer on Frenkie De Jong. Without a breakthrough that situation could be in court till long after his retirement.
We still spent big, regardless of inflation or not. If we acted earlier we could've saved ourselves probably 50m, but that's about it. 150m is still a good spend per summer.

It was just a case of our squad needing a decent sized overhaul, so it takes a few windows to get into actually competing. Also depends on the players available. Antony for example isn't having the impact of a 100m player. He probably never will. But he was a left footed RW with big potential, and there is a massive dearth of those players in the world right now, and our previous one went and got himself arrested, so yeah we needed to get one. Otherwise we could've just had Greenwood there and spent 100m on Osimhen and gotten rid of Ronaldo without caring in the summer and we'd be much further along.
 

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:lol: Mate, I think you're agreeing with him. His main point that our woe is not about financial but the non-existent strategic management.
Er, what part of “Our problem isn't financial. Its strategic management” fails to account for the issues that you've (correctly) mentioned?
The point you are missing (still) is that the strategic management problem was caused by the financial problem that you don't think exists. They're not two seperate things.
 

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Made me chuckle thinking of his first press conference back after the WC.

Most managers will just be asked about upcoming preparations, how their players got on in the WC

Ten Hag will have to field questions on why their biggest name player has been sacked and the potential sale of the entire club.
It's been a baptism of fire tbh. I hope he's enjoying it.
I don't know how it was for him at Ajax, dealing with so many issues. Here, managers get no protection. It's full frontal all the time.
 

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:lol: Mate, I think you're agreeing with him. His main point that our woe is not about financial but the non-existent strategic management. The later includes spending badly, getting a Yes man manager, focus more on commercialization above football success, etc.
:lol: :lol: :devil: he just wanted to say it in his own words
 

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The point you are missing (still) is that the strategic management problem was caused by the financial problem that you don't think exists. They're not two seperate things.
So what you are saying is that if we hadn’t got the debt to service we could have bought Neymar, Mbappe and Haland?

Well that might have got us better results.
 
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