Very risky at this point. If he drops Rashford for example, while also dropping Maguire and Sancho, that's too many english players dropped. Could easily lose the dressing room.Drop the players then Erik
Very risky at this point. If he drops Rashford for example, while also dropping Maguire and Sancho, that's too many english players dropped. Could easily lose the dressing room.Drop the players then Erik
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I'm not taking this as gospel, that this has been leaked, but it is clearly true. He inherited a toxic dressing room and he's had to walk a tightrope ever since.
If he was being fully backed the club would have made sure that the players mentioned numerous times throughout summer that were "available for x price" would have been gotten rid off. But the owners do not want to cut losses, they want to chase them. And that's the poisoned chalice Erik took on.
'Manchester United had never lost at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium, until Erik Ten Hag.'
This. You are doomed if you do not build from the back. Solid keeper and back four protected by two solid CMs. It is not very complicted.Massive issues with being half a ETH team and half a nothing team
but I have serious doubts over his way of building a team. It should be.
Mission 1: make yourself hard to beat
Mission 2: score goals
Mission 3: Play attractive football once you are scoring goals and winning games
he seems to of focused on this playing out from the back when we have much bigger issues
A ball playing goalkeeper should be the final piece of the puzzle in a settled team, instead he’s causing chaos
Onana and Mount (actually don’t mind Mount as a player but wasn’t what we needed) money should of been used for a world class midfielder and centre back
I despise the Newcastle love festbecause they’re as bent as city but to be fair to Eddie he followed the rules above, hard to beat, score goals, pick up points, worry about style of play when you’re in the fortunate position to care
I didn’t look at his page. I’m not sure why anyone would see such a list and feel any need to validate it depending upon who posted it. It’s a damning list, regardless of whether one or two are a reach.'Manchester United had never lost at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium, until Erik Ten Hag.'
Come on, Redcafe should be above shite like this. Look at the guy's fecking page - calling ten Hag a psychopath and the rest? He's unhinged.
If you have one, that's one too many. But if you have 4-5 players who know the manager wants them out of the door and the club are not willing to take a loss on them, it's a nightmare. Then you have players who do not put in the hard work, Rashford probably the only one who gets picked regardless, but there are plenty of others.But we've signed so many players, how toxic can it be still?
At United , dropping players ends up as a circus story in the media. Sure look at the way some hysterical people go on about Sancho , you’d swear ETH was making him wear girls clothes and eat dog food the way some bang in about it. It’s a nothing story and at any other club it wouldn’t be a thing, but at United it’s a serious topic of debate for some stupid reason.These stories coming out are such BS.
It's literally your job as manager. If players don't have the right attitude then drop them. Change something.
I remember Jose was doing that with Fellaini and McTom near the end of his reign. Pogba just waited for him to be sacked and then played amazing for a few weeks and just was injured or not arsed for the remainder of his United career.He should be using these defeats to show to every member of the team that no one is indispensable, such as benching Rashy and then Bruno. Heck, I'd be more happy seeing a midfield of Amrabat and the kids for a couple of games just to get the message across, and chances are we might even get better performances.
These 4 need to be moved on if they are not in plan. We will only need to replace Maguire as we dont have cover at CB. Donny is irrelevant and Mctom is almost in a way replaced by Mainoo and Hannibal alreadyIgnoring the large number of injuries currently, if you look at the squad generally it’s a bit bloated.
Removing Sancho, Maguire, McTom and Donny in January would be a step towards having a better mood in the camp.
Keeping players around that are not wanted by the manager is only ever going to negatively affect the dressing room.
There are lot of points here in a bit of a mixed order to my understanding but I'll try to make my point.I generally disagree with this. Yes, Real consistently buy the best players. But so do PSG, Barca and to some extent, Chelsea. And yes, these teams do compete on players, though I agree with you, Real has a natural advantage.
What you are saying is that Real tends not to hire strictly ideological coaches/managers. Really, there’s only a few modern managers that fit that profile — Pep, Klopp, Enrique and perhaps Mourinho and Simeone. Most managers/coaches are pragmatists. IMHO, the pragmatist is more a “manager” and the idealist more of a “head coach”. Pep is famous for micromanaging even simple passing sequences.
If you are defining a “protagonist” as a manager that has a notable personality, I suppose you’d be correct in that Zidane and Ancelotti seem bland compared to Klopp or Pep. But both Zidane and Ancelotti carry as much respect, perhaps more, than Klopp and Pep and I don’t think their control over the squad is any less than Klopp or Pep.
This worship and glorification of the idealist(Klopp/Pep) vs the pragmatist is ridiculous. Why are they held in higher regard than Zidane and Ancelotti? Certainly the latter two have an equal or even better record than the former. The latter do not require expensive complete squad turnovers. They are masters at getting the most from the ingredients on hand.
In our case, why is it necessary to hire in the next idealist as a manager? Like Real, we have great spending power. We are one of the richest clubs. We should be buying the best talent, both a youth and senior level, and bringing in the best managers, all the while not allowing standards to drop.
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I'm not taking this as gospel, that this has been leaked, but it is clearly true. He inherited a toxic dressing room and he's had to walk a tightrope ever since.
If he was being fully backed the club would have made sure that the players mentioned numerous times throughout summer that were "available for x price" would have been gotten rid off. But the owners do not want to cut losses, they want to chase them. And that's the poisoned chalice Erik took on.
What doesn't start cannot be droppedeasier said then done. Look at all the bitching from him just dropping sancho.
Because we've lost games. That's all it is.Why do you say he's been "found out"?
He has to pick a starting 11. If he drops the players with the wrong attitude, he'll only have a squad for a 5 a side competition. He did it with Sancho and he started a spat on twitter and went on strike.These stories coming out are such BS.
It's literally your job as manager. If players don't have the right attitude then drop them. Change something.
"They've never lost at the ground that they've played at like 3 times".'Manchester United had never lost at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium, until Erik Ten Hag.'
Come on, Redcafe should be above shite like this. Look at the guy's fecking page - calling ten Hag a psychopath and the rest? He's unhinged.
Why should have been captain then? Bruno is our best player tbh.However true this is... he made Bruno captain, one of the mental midgets.
He plays Rashford every minute and gave him a giant new contract. Probably the weakest mentality in the squad.
He favoured Martial despite Martial's mind and body giving up on football.
And the context, Rashford got him 30 goals last season, when he arrived Martial looked the only forward capable of playing the link-up ball he preferred but was ruined after pre-season, having binned Ronnie he was only given some sofa-cushion change to get Weghorst on loan (that after being in quite good form where we really would have benefitted from getting a good striker in, if sporting achievement would have been the main focus) and Bruno getting the captaincy, well, I agree he's not a leader but where are the leaders? Maybe a political move on his part, maybe an attempt to get him buying more into the new way of playing. And not least the club's refusal to back a genuine overhaul, by which I don't mean spending a billion in one summer, but professionalising the club (not least in long-term planning and recruitment) and accepting a painful slow-build.However true this is... he made Bruno captain, one of the mental midgets.
He plays Rashford every minute and gave him a giant new contract. Probably the weakest mentality in the squad.
He favoured Martial despite Martial's mind and body giving up on football.
This is actually a very good point. I am sick and tired of managers not being transparent with the fans. The only manager who was somewhat was Rangnick and he was crap at his job.I'd suggest he does his job to the fullest of his ability instead of finding reasons not to do it. If that involves criticising the players then do it, you've got multiple CL winners and finalists in that squad and they can't be told to track back or shoot instead of pass? If you don't tell people where they went wrong how will they ever stop it?
I'm not sure about toxic but there's still a lot of survivors from old managers/teams at the club. Think of players here that are in their 5th season and more and you get:But we've signed so many players, how toxic can it be still?
I still get nightmares after watching away matches last season!There won't be any overhaul if he's replaced. It will be rinse and repeat for the players. They'll turn a corner for a while, new players will be slowly added and they'll succumb to the malaise plaguing the club.
He's clearly the best manager we've had post SAF in my view. People love to forget last season and what he took over.
Then one can seriously ask oneself whether he is the right man." Sources close to Ten Hag say he doesn't feel he can be as harsh in his criticism of the #mufc players as he'd like because there are concerns about the mental fragility of the squad. "
I'm not taking this as gospel, that this has been leaked, but it is clearly true. He inherited a toxic dressing room and he's had to walk a tightrope ever since.
If he was being fully backed the club would have made sure that the players mentioned numerous times throughout summer that were "available for x price" would have been gotten rid off. But the owners do not want to cut losses, they want to chase them. And that's the poisoned chalice Erik took on.
People want to recreate the Ferguson era. It’s over.But it isn't, that's the whole point. Chopping and changing managers is the norm. There is nothing unusual about the frequency of our managerial appointments post SAF at all. If anything, some of them stayed way longer than they would have at most other big clubs. Those sticking with the manager are the outliers. Because most of the time, it doesn't pay off.
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How do you now he hasn’t? It’s clear this team has weak characters. Has he come out and thrown anyone under the bus? With Sancho did he kill criticise him last year or did he send him on training in Holland to take Sancho out of the firing line and gave him 3 months to get right? Rashford has been playing crap and the strongest statement I’ve heard from ETH is that Rashford keeps playing hard with better decisions and the goals will come.Then one can seriously ask oneself whether he is the right man.
Does he have only one approach - "criticism"?
Some players can be criticised, the others need praise to reach their full potential, the third needs to be challenged, the fourth is about honour and so on.....
The club gathers football talents from all over the world, all with different cultures, characters, strengths and weaknesses, and all the manager can do to mould these talents into a team is "criticise" .... For real now?
Were they already mentally fragile last season or has something happened now in the summer? If they already were, why hasn't he done anything to change that? If it's new, then maybe he's done his bit? Question about question.....
I refuse to believe Eddie Howe is better. So is it the manager or the whole system?I watch Newcastle play, with passion (yes yes I know, passion FC, ole), desire, workrate but more importantly, they play good football and get the fans buzzing.
We seem to be a million miles away from that. Its so bad right now that even against cannon fodder teams we'd be reluctant to predict a win. At home.
I just can't see how ETH gets us out of this mess.
Agreed. When stuff like that comes out it's normally a bad sign.Ooops, I hear he has the "backing of the board".... can't help wondering who they've spoken to as a replacement!!!
I honestly don't know at this point. Just very despondent right now as I see no way out, other than more defeats and thrashings by any half decent team. Feels like Ole/RR season all over again.I refuse to believe Eddie Howe is better. So is it the manager or the whole system?
Why?I refuse to believe Eddie Howe is better. So is it the manager or the whole system?
Because that would shatter the world of people who think Ten Hag is the next Pep/Fergie based on a League cup, that Newcastle also reached the final of.Why?
I feel the same way as you. I will never stop caring or supporting United but I don’t believe firing ETH is the answer. The only sliver of light is Glazers actually selling up.I honestly don't know at this point. Just very despondent right now as I see no way out, other than more defeats and thrashings by any half decent team. Feels like Ole/RR season all over again.
1. ETH won the league (albeit Dutch but still he won something)Why?