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I’ve changed my original post for you. Give it a rest man.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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I’ve changed my original post for you. Give it a rest man.
Those first games clearly did not go well though. I don't think how things played out during the match (like a player's number of passes) could be seen as representative of what Ten Hag really wants. It also sounds like a stretch to me that Ten Hag would play someone because they are good in the air at defensive corners and wide free-kicks - but he did talk time and again about needing goals, and needing players that contribute to that. But yeah, as with any modern system, a lot of automatisms are required. If United do drop out of all European competitions, Ten Hag would have a lot more time on the training pitch to get those ingrained. (Although you'd think that's what pre-season would have been for.)
Do you have a link to that ten Hag interview on McTominay and players staying back btw?
You definitely could have worked "desperately" into that.
Anyway, I've got the Managerial Defence League Christmas party to attend.
As much as I’m glad we won that game, play the same way against any decent side and we’ll get battered.
Why?
Because we've done exactly the same first 20 minutes against other teams and eventually ended up getting beaten just because they had a striker and a midfield.
Very good analysis!
I’d even add that the unbalanced approach is voluntary.
To me it was always clear that Ten Hag wanted a high risk high reward style of play, with the team sitting very high up the pitch.
When it works it can be very good, but this is also a strategy that will severely punish any individual error, which we have been guilty of quite a lot this season.
We also don’t have the fast and spatially aware defenders needed to cover the high press. Nor the wingers naturally tracking back with intent.
So yes, in a nutshell we will get exposed on the counter.
But this place needs to make up its mind. When Ange does it down to 9 men, he’s the second coming of Rinus Michels, but Ten Hag is a naive fool. When others do it, they have a clear strategy to take the game up to their opponents even if they get smashed, when we do it’s stupid and a crisis. When we scrape victories it’s also shit.
So unfortunately for Ten Hag, it’s pretty much damned if you do damned if you don’t
Not sure I'd call the fact teams have a striker and a midfield good analysis to be fair.
Could not agree more. Was disappointed with his work rate even in the 10 mins he was on.
Your question indicates that you didn't even watch the game. So this all the analysis you get.
Were you expecting cutting edge analysis filled with Opta stats from a random person on a football forum?
There was a tonne of analysis last season showing Pep was using a similar approach. It was the reverse of 'inverting the pyramid' or rather inverting the pyramid again. They often had 5 attackers lined up across the width of the pitch. Stones was stepping into midfield to form a 2 with Rodri. Ake became a key player. The main difference I would argue is that Pep is doing things from a position of strength, with a record of incredible success in his career and with a better squad who had primarily been used to variations of his tactics.
Ten Hag by comparison is working with a more erratic group, injuries this year and without the respect that multiple PL titles gives you.
The argument for me comes down to if it succeeds is it worth it? Is the best version of the 3-2-5 or 3-1-6 going to win titles vs playing a more traditional 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Should we not pack the midfield for the big away games at least seeing as we get zero points from those matches?
Just an opinion that contained more than the fact professional football teams field strikers and have a midfield, thought the bar was quite low, personally.
He’s such a bald hero
Most baldies are evil villians. Name one bald hero.
If we get more into a groove we will win more away matches. Confidence is needed to play this brave style, besides hard work from every player.
Pierluigi Colina
Howard Webb
Bruce Willis, The Rock, Jason Statham and Vin Diesel in every role?
Not all heroes wear hair
And the winner is....THE ROCK.
Benched who exactly ? We are clearly a better and more funcional side with Licha and Antony on the field and they are guaranteed starters when fit and available.
Eriksen was one of the rare players last year who could bring a ball to the front line and was, alongside Bruno, our top creator who TBH in some types of games got exposed defensively, but in general was an important member of our squad.
Amrabat came this summer and nobody expected him to be an instant starter, more of a player who is adding depth to our midfield options and he is still waiting for a decent run of games to prove himself useful to the squad.
Onana is a clear starter and someone who will maintain his position in the squad in future if he finds a way to deal with his early struggles.
Even if they are all squad/rotation options at the best they are part of our dressing room which still helps ETH’s case of not losing it.
I don’t blame him at all for doing that when you inherit players that have already thrown manager(s) under the bus.
Can i be invited? I quite like Ten Hag.
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I agree.
Plus Spurs are playing once a week. Yet EtH is meant to take a squad with a fair number of injuries away to Everton, away to Galatasaray and away to Newcastle in the space if 6 days. But gets no sympathy for a flat performance.
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Boo hoo.
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I’m shocked, SHOCKED, to see the likes of Rashford and Varane on the list of complainers. Case is perma-injured, he should just shut the feck up. Heaton is GK #3, what is he chatting shite about? Shaw gets a pass from me, the chubby lovable fecker.
Speaks volume when the actual captain and ex-captain are not part of this whining group. Incidentally they have run their socks off and performed well in recent games too.
Speaks volume when the actual captain and ex-captain are not part of this whining group. Incidentally they have run their socks off and performed well in recent games too.
This is what it's going to take for us to get back to the top. Smoke out the losers.
It says they haven’t all complained by the way
Did you even read the tweet? Not all of those players are complaining.
Suggests Varane and Rashford have been complaining
I get it. But they sure led the way and set the tone. If this is unanimous sentiment among the full squad, shouldn’t Bruno and even Maguire be part of the group as well?
Senior/leadership my arse, they’re just a bunch of whiners.
EDIT: That said, I think I should know better than taking everything posted on Twitter too seriously.
He's endearing himself to me a little more tonight, and I like him anyway.
Who said that? You just seem to be jumping to conclusions and making yourself angry. Bizarre.
Our financially driven pre-season tours have been awful for us. Picking up injuries and not enough time honing down fitness and tactics. Part of the reason why we looked so sloppy and unfit at the beginning of both ETH seasons. In my opinion.
Nah I’m not angry. I used up all my anger after watching them playing on the pitch already.
However, let’s do a tiny debate for the hell of it shall we? My point was, if the sentiment about not enough days off etc. was shared among the full squad, and that a group of senior players was to represent this view to ETH, shouldn’t Bruno be front and center? Since he wasn’t, I would just deduce that only a fraction of the squad shared the view, which most likely includes the lazy individuals named in the tweet. That is.