That's fair.I disagree.
Under Ragnick, you knew we were doomed against big teams.
Now I know we can beat anyone. We can also lose to anyone, being the main problem.
Agree.We were rubbish under Rangnick due to players downing tools. The club was in such a toxic state during that period.
We're rubbish now by design. I have trouble understanding how anyone can support a manager who has taken us to where we are now due to his own incompetence, as opposed to the players throwing him under the bus
We've lost all but 1 or 2 away games against top 8 teams, and been thrashed a few times by "Big teams"I disagree.
Under Ragnick, you knew we were doomed against big teams.
Now I know we can beat anyone. We can also lose to anyone, being the main problem.
Nowhere did he state that it gave him confidence. Just an observation.We've lost all but 1 or 2 away games against top 8 teams, and been thrashed a few times by "Big teams"
If that gives you confidence then fair enough
This is ultimately the context of the demise this season, it's not conclusive of player quality or individual assessment but predominantly the failings of the manager on a tactical basis. There have been individual errors but those have happened in isolation compared to the consistency of the performances being nothing short of a constant tragedy regardless of opposition.We were rubbish under Rangnick due to players downing tools. The club was in such a toxic state during that period.
We're rubbish now by design. I have trouble understanding how anyone can support a manager who has taken us to where we are now due to his own incompetence, as opposed to the players throwing him under the bus
Gives us easier get out if it doesn't work outTen Hag in or Ten Hag out.. can anyone tell me a positive to starting the 2024/25 with only 10 months left on his contract?
We've lost all but 1 or 2 away games against top 8 teams, and been thrashed a few times by "Big teams"
If that gives you confidence then fair enough
We beat Spurs 3-2.Away games are tough story, but we've been fairly good at home.
Under Ralf you know Spurs, City, Pool etc. are coming to OT for a training session.
We're chaotic and it goes both ways. I expect us to find a way to win just as much as I expect us to shoot ourselves in the foot.
It's not sustainable and not reassuring, but I don't think we stand no chance tomorrow.
With Ralf you knew we are just going to watch a massacre.
Eric can definitely pull off a win tomorrow.
Bad thing is you know he'll find a way to draw or lose to Brentford immediately after.
Yeah ETH has been an absolutely disaster this season, hard to comprehend what he is doing or why. Any mitigation regarding injuries and incompetence of likes of Arnold/Murtough etc has almost become irrelevant because of his bizarre management.This is ultimately the context of the demise this season, it's not conclusive of player quality or individual assessment but predominantly the failings of the manager on a tactical basis. There have been individual errors but those have happened in isolation compared to the consistency of the performances being nothing short of a constant tragedy regardless of opposition.
It's for this very reason that this is single handedly the worst season of any manager post SAF.
Erik's contract situation is the only positive this season from a financial standpoint for the club. It also gives INEOS the opportunity from a sporting perspective to make a concise decision with what the long-term play is and who fits the mold of those objective intentions.Ten Hag in or Ten Hag out.. can anyone tell me a positive to starting the 2024/25 with only 10 months left on his contract?
We beat Spurs 3-2.
Shouldn`t a clever manager be able to see the problems and try to adapt?he has played that style of football - the issue is that we don't have quick defenders so we have to play a lower defensive line.
this is why we are so vacant in midfield and easy to run through.
Not sure where to find any recent stats
https://tribuna.com/en/news/manutd-...s-react-as-man-uniteds-pressing-stats-emerge/
I've no idea how you still expect us to beat everyone under Ten Hag.Ah yes, the Ronaldo hattrick game.
Liverpool, Arsenal and City trashed us and we never looked like we're capable to fight even for a draw.
My point is, I expect us to win against everyone and lose against everyone which is different than Ralf.
It’s quite a bizarre opinion isn’t it? You literally never know what you’re going to get from this dysfunctional mess of a side, but sadly I’m usually expecting the worst this season, no matter who we’re playing.I've no idea how you still expect us to beat everyone under Ten Hag.
He will due to the cost of sacking him and all of the recruitment appointments not yet in place,oh yeah and that lack of stand out candidates excuse as wellNews on Sky saying he "expects to remain in charge next season" ...the delusion is next level with this guy.
Yeah they are truly Jekyll & HydeIt’s quite a bizarre opinion isn’t it? You literally never know what you’re going to get from this dysfunctional mess of a side, but sadly I’m usually expecting the worst this season, no matter who we’re playing.
No it'll be because he wasn't dropped. Also, work rate isn't the be all and end all when it's wasteful and not backed up by actual attacking output.Obviously he was dropped. Not like he needs a midweek rest is it given how little work he puts in.
Wouldn’t be so sure he’ll start on Sunday either given that Antony and Garnacho had positive contributions and Antony offers about 10x the work rate that Rashford.
If he does come back in it’ll just be yet another ten hag pandering blunder
There's none.Ten Hag in or Ten Hag out.. can anyone tell me a positive to starting the 2024/25 with only 10 months left on his contract?
He will have to have a new contract if he stays. He has stuff about control written into it.There's none.
Players will treat him like they treated Rangnick.
And the club cant give him a new contract because then the inevitable sacking gets multiples more expensive.
There's no way for him to have been more dropped than he was on Thursday. Period.No it'll be because he wasn't dropped. Also, work rate isn't the be all and end all when it's wasteful and not backed up by actual attacking output.
Yes think we will finish outside top 6 the way we are playing so anywhere 7th to 10th could be our final destinationI think Coventry is genuinely a 50/50 game but the wide spaces of Wembley suit our attackers who have elite pace, so hopefully Nick it 3-2 or 4-3, we like those type of games, we’ll get smashed by Liverpool and Arsenal at home probably lose to Brighton but somehow Nick 3 or 4 wins from the rest so I’m going we win 4 draw 1 lose 3 and finish with 61 points and probably 7th to 8th, if we don’t beat Newcastle they will finish ahead of us as they have a far easier run in and Chelsea, West Ham and Brighton could all get 62-64 points easily so we might end up 10th but most likely 7th to 8th, remember if EpL gets a 5th CL spot the. 6th and 7th qualify for EL if City win the Fa Cup, I genuinely think it’s that bad!
Chelsea have 43 points, have 9 games left and can easily win 6 of those 9, and finish on 64 points, right now I’m picking Chelsea 6th, Newcastle 7th, United 8th and that will get him sacked 100%.
Which is exactly why he cant stay.He will have to have a new contract if he stays. He has stuff about control written into it.
Why is there any doubt at all whether Ancelotti has been a world-class manager? Huh?I think the issue is there's so few world class managers in world football. There's what, two in the prem out of 38? Arteta is starting to look like he might get there. Then you look abroad, at la liga and you look at the best three teams in spain and see:
Xavi at Barca (not world class),
Ancellotti at Madrid - Who knows? I'd say yes, but before hand the only job he could get was Everton (?!) - which is insane really.
Zidane - was it a case of right man at the right team at the right time? We're not sure because he's not done anything elsewhere.
Simeone - obviously done great things but we all know the type of football he uses to get those results.
So you're talking about a manager who won 3 CL's, another who's Real madrid manager who's won a ton etc....and how many of the above would you say you'd want at United? None of them? Maybe one as a risk? So when you look at some of the most successful managers in the world outside of Klopp/pep and you think....well actually i'd rather go with someone else, less successful and perhaps more "up and coming" you've got a huge risk to reward ratio.
And out of the above - how many would want to take that risk and come to United?
We did this with ETH, and we'll have to do it again.
Anyway that's a very long winded way of agreeing with you in terms of United is a massive draw for the top staff in the world, but when it comes to managers it's a bit of a different ball game.
I don't know about that.Which is exactly why he cant stay.
Because his failure is inevitable and giving him a new deal means the £8m or whatever payoff will become £20m.
They should sack him imo or if keeping him on, then just give him a one year contract with less control with the promise if he does improve then there will be a chance of another. He knows hes on thin ice so should accept these terms, if he is kept on. His control should be something along the lines of Eric we have identified 3 CBs, A, B and C. Which order should we try to sign? Who would be your first and second choice.He will have to have a new contract if he stays. He has stuff about control written into it.
Like I said earlier though the situation is drastically different.Take with a pinch of salt that stuff about ETH expecting to be manager next season. Pretty sure I remember LVG saying the same back in early 2016.
We weren't pressing as a team a lot when he was on so him pressing by himself wouldn't have made sense. Would have made the fans happier I guess though.There's no way for him to have been more dropped than he was on Thursday. Period.
He came on with 25 minutes left with his team a goal up. Work hard off the ball and make runs to push Chelsea back/offer some sort of counter threat, for just 20 minutes, was all he had to do. And he couldnt be arsed. Antony had been doing it all game.
Yeah, it's much worse. LVG was guilty of boring football and barely missing out on top 4. ETH is literally only here right now because we have no contingency plan.Like I said earlier though the situation is drastically different.
We have changed ownership and it's well known that ETH will have to reduce his controls to stay.
ETH will be very well aware that he is being assessed very closely at the moment. Also that he is treading a very fine line.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the context around him with the owners, all the change and upheaval. You could in no way argue that ETH would be surprised to get sacked like LVG was. ETH 100% knows it's coming if we don't improve. On the face of it anyway.Yeah, it's much worse. LVG was guilty of boring football and barely missing out on top 4. ETH is literally only here right now because we have no contingency plan.
I agree totally - looking at the profile of the players I think we need to be more economical with our pressing. The profile of players in attack and midfield are counter-attacking/quick transition players.Shouldn`t a clever manager be able to see the problems and try to adapt?
Every manager that change clubs/teams will have to adapt to the new environment and players at their disposal.
Hmm, I do wonder if LVG was surprised at the timing and manner of it. Remember at new years time he made the comments about wine and mince pies? When asked if he would still be there next year.I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the context around him with the owners, all the change and upheaval. You could in no way argue that ETH would be surprised to get sacked like LVG was. ETH 100% knows it's coming if we don't improve. On the face of it anyway.
Who knows what assurances he's had behind closed doors.
Just think the LVG comparison is such a lazy one.
He may or may not have been surprised, I guess not but like I say, the situation and context around the club at the time couldn't be more different from today.Hmm, I do wonder if LVG was surprised at the timing and manner of it. Remember at new years time he made the comments about wine and mince pies? When asked if he would still be there next year.
So basically, Emery, Howe, O 'Neil, Poch, Iraola, or De Zerbi, as we won't get any of the rest. I'll also rule Poch and Howe out straight away.Compared to this seasons performances/strategy/tactics/results, which have been our worst in the Premier League era. I'd be open to taking any current top 10-12 PL manager bar Moyes for a year.
We've been that bad, we don't have much to lose. It's actually surprising we're still in the top half of the table.
No one person will fix the club. It will be a combination.So basically, Emery, Howe, O 'Neil, Poch, Iraola, or De Zerbi, as we won't get any of the rest. I'll also rule Poch and Howe out straight away.
I'd imagine Emery would have us sorted out pretty quickly, but not sure he'd have us winning much, so perhaps I could see the logic in him, but it doesn't really feel like a good fit for us, as for the rest I just don't think it's worth starting the process all over again with such risky managers.
