Lopetegui going to West Ham. Another one off Bayern's short list of doom.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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True. We're spoiled for expecting to beat Burnley at home after missing out on Kane.
On serious note, things perhaps went wrong with ten Hag before he even started at the club. Plan was to keep Rangnick in consultancy role and ten Hag as manager, it looked like board finally knew what they were doing. Then when it was announced Rangnick would leave the club and that felt like "Oh, United are actually still a mess, never mind".
Our issues start and end with the board not knowing what they're doing and then allowing a manager that also doesn't know what he's doing total control of the football club with the power to buy and sell whomever he wants. Then you get our fans asking for individuals like this to be given more time so they can replace everyone and leave us with a team full of Antony's, Mount's and Onana's like that's somehow going to get us competing for major titles in a few years.
The board were so inept that not at any point did they force the Rangnick situation on Ten Hag. They let him decide if he wanted a boss or not, imagine having that kind of power?
I don't contest there's been some improvement but it's still not good enough. And I was simply carrying on with my original point which you replied to mate.
Well to be honest I've no idea if he has been working on things or not which have contributed positively to our goals scored, it could be down to Hojlund finally having a good run or Bruno rediscovering his goalscoring form I don't know. But again even if he has been working on it, it's still not good enough, and if we say he's been working on the attack from the looks of it he definitely hasn't been working on the defence or trying to stop us allowing the opposition 20+ shots a game. Or the fact he seems to be ok with our wide forwards, whoever happens to be on the pitch completely ignoring Hojlund and barely ever passing to him most games. The huge gap in midfield that opponents regardless of their quality seem to be able to run rampant in. Among other issues.
I'm in the same boat, if he stays I'll hope for the best. But me personally I've seen enough over the last 18 months to lead me to believe this guy isn't cut out for the Premier League and a club like United. If he leaves I wish him well elsewhere as I've nothing against him personally.
Well Jose says otherwise.
That can't be a real quote form Ten Hag, lost the plot if it is.
He's in full face saving mode, looks like he thinks he's getting the boot soon.
The Caf always gets it wrong just look at Carrick and McKenna - it’s why people are sat at home on forums and not doing the job themselves.
EtH will go away and be better than shown here - we have to hope INEOS and their structure fixes things for the next manager.
A great way to motivate the players he ‘s bought too.
All the talk coming out of OT seems to suggest he's going to be in charge at the start of next season.
Not quite sure who 'he' is here, but I guess it could be both...Both wanted them and neither got them.
Now that Utd are stuck in mid-table mediocrity for a while, that we're going to have to look for mid-table players.
Well, I don't really blame him for trying to cling on to a high paying job.
I think the centrereddevils missed this gem though
"There are seven, eight teams who all go for the title, who all have very good squads. So if you want to go to the title, you have to construct that squad."
I wonder if we were 10th, he would say there are 10 teams going for the title in PL.
Hope it is and they get Jose in the studio for the Arsenal or FA cup final games.
He will eviscerate Ten Hag.
So he's not willing to work under the structure that doesn't let him pick players. Good.
100%. There is no way he makes these recent comments if he's been given any assurances. If he thought he was staying, what exactly would complaining to the media about not getting all his signings achieve? In a way he's also saying the signings we've made under him are shite so not a great message either.
These fecking players do not deserve anything after they have thrown him under the bus! We should despite every single one of them.
We should do absolutely everything in our power to buy him the players he needs.
This club is about ETH.
Exactly, find it quite bizarre/interesting so many see it the opposite way.
From the article:
Before the match, Red Devils coach Erik ten Hag gave an exclusive interview to ESPN and analyzed the performance of the two Brazilians in his squad: midfielder Casemiro and attacking midfielder Antony .
Ten Hag on Casemiro's Season
Ten Hag on Antony
Ten Hag on The difficulty of "post-Ferguson"
7 or 8 contenders for the title 
Full on face-saving survival-mode bullshittery. If we were 10th like we deserve to be, he would have said 9 or 10.
Full on face-saving survival-mode bullshittery. If we were 10th like we deserve to be, he would have said 9 or 10.
7 or 8 contenders for the title
Full on face-saving survival-mode bullshittery. If we were 10th like we deserve to be, he would have said 9 or 10.
You mean we were in a title race all along? Someone should have told us!'Heh, the fans must support the process, you can see we compete in a title race two seasons in a row, heh, and also we do so with 60 injuries, heh. That is progression.'
Mount
Onana
Amrabat
Antony
Malacia
Martinez
Eriksen
Weghorst
All clearly players he wanted, amounting to £250 million. Managers in today's game don't get such treatment right after being hired, he's just pure bullshitting at this point.
He clearly means top targets when he says this, he wasn't petitioning for Weghorst or Malacia as starters.
Speaking of signings, I think he really wanted Frenkie to play his Ajax style of football here, but it’s not the club’s fault that the player himself didn’t want to move, isn’t it? United would have paid up if Frenkie wanted to come
I totally understood why ten hag didn’t want that person upstairs making him accountable but now he has to take ownership. He wanted all the control in the first place and the board were weak enough to give it to him. Now he wants to be part of a structure. I would give him a chance to coach his way out of it next season but my honest opinion is that he still gets sacked halfway next season. Would like to be wrong on this but it just feels like it is headed this way
He is deluded as feck. 7-8 teams competing for title in EPL. While in real universe, in 3 weeks City would have won the 6th title in the last 7 seasons (and the 4th consecutive one).
Anyway, good news. We were in title race both this and the previous season. Actually, it seems that we were in title race every season since SAF left, we just were too dumb to realize it.
Anyway, good news. We were in title race both this and the previous season. Actually, it seems that we were in title race every season since SAF left, we just were too dumb to realize it.
Half of that list are top targets
If you think he’ll be sacked next season anyway, why would you want for him to get the new season?
Seriously, there must be something wrong with lots of United fans. It is like reading a new version of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
To give him the benefit of doubt, I think some of them were not his top targets, but the players he settled for because that is what the club could do because of FFP or other reasons.
And unless we believe that the manager has a say in the negotiation process of the transfer amounts. I would believe his veto is only for the question "do you want this player or not" and not on "Do you want this player for 30M or 40M or 80M?"
Having said all that, the team plays shit football and that is on ETH and makes him sackworthy. I still believe he goes. Is it before or after the FA cup final remains to be seen.
There is no way that he is not aware of the costs of players. And even if he is just 1% intelligent as Caf thinks, he would have known that spending 80m in Antony would have consequences next season. Or spending over 100m in Onana and Mount (two players we didn’t need at all) will have consequences on the rest of the transfer window.
He is either too dumb or he was full aware of consequences but actually thought signing those players for that amount of money was a good idea and was fine with that.
No one was forcing EtH to sign players for those massive prices, especially players that they probably didn’t know they exist until EtH asked to sign them.
If we were where our xPts suggest we should be in the table, there would be 15-16 teams competing for the title according to him.7 or 8 contenders for the title
Full on face-saving survival-mode bullshittery. If we were 10th like we deserve to be, he would have said 9 or 10.
I actually only think one of that list was a top target.
Mount - Top target
Onana - Opportunistic buy because we were heavily linked to Diogo Costa but his release clause was something like €65-70m. We heard Onana could be gotten for €50m and ETH had worked with him before so they went for it probably so they could use those funds saved elsewhere.
Amrabat - clearly wasn’t a top target. He was prioritised until late in the window when we had created funds from selling fringe players. Therefore, was clearly intended as a squad utility player.
Antony - Was suggested earlier at a lower price point and only brought in late in the window after a bad start.
Malacia - Always a squad player signing.
Martinez - we actually pursued Timber first.
Eriksen - A free agent brought in as a backup option as FDJ seemed unlikely and we needed a more culture midfielder.
Weghorst - an emergency January loan signing.
I think it's that unfortunate speech by Sir Alex. It got recommended to me recently and the top comment with +10k likes says "he told us to stand by the manager, so sad to see our fans still haven't learned". People still think managers should have unconditional support over everyone at the club.
He didn't say that United currently is one of those 7-8 teams, did he?
Diogo Costa was a scouted choice, Onana was his top choice, therefore he got his top target. Antony was his top target too, and Timber rejected us so Martinez then became his first choice and we bought him. The criteria here is players that Ten Hag wanted, which he's claiming he didn't get, it's pure delusion.
Fair point actually, though in his time at United he won't have filled many with the idea that his man management is great at all.
He's in full throw everyone but himself under the bus mode.
Every game is like a final nowadays in EPL.
While in real world, City consistently gets 90-100 points.
Nah, still a dumb (but ultimately meaningless) quote though
That's his only mode.
And it seems to be working on a large portion of the fanbase, and possibly on the new hierarchy as well