FrankDrebin
Don't call me Shirley
Ok, say Southgate was fundamentally chosen as ETH successor, what can we expect from the waistcoat one ?
Positives and negatives.
Positives and negatives.
He did not, he said the Valencia job was a good opportunity for him and if he did well it would stand him in good stead for the England job. Obviously Valencia went horribly wrong and he was never going to get the job.Didn't the reported best DOF in football try to nurture Gary Neville to become the England boss before he crashed and burned, then elevated Southgate to his current role?
I sincerely hope that it is not Southgate, however:Ok, say Southgate was fundamentally chosen as ETH successor, what can we expect from the waistcoat one ?
Positives and negatives.
The goodOk, say Southgate was fundamentally chosen as ETH successor, what can we expect from the waistcoat one ?
Positives and negatives.
Probably just negatives to be fair.Ok, say Southgate was fundamentally chosen as ETH successor, what can we expect from the waistcoat one ?
Positives and negatives.
Only positive will be the certainty that nothing will improve, therefore the death of false hope. And the football will be so dull it will make giving up on following the club easier than its ever been.Ok, say Southgate was fundamentally chosen as ETH successor, what can we expect from the waistcoat one ?
Positives and negatives.
Positives:Ok, say Southgate was fundamentally chosen as ETH successor, what can we expect from the waistcoat one ?
Positives and negatives.
Mitten sits on the fence too much. He's stuck between being a fan at heart and a journalist professionally. He doesn't want to upset the apple cart too much, as that's how he earns a living. It leads to him saying some negative things while also trying to be objective. His interviews on platforms like SSN and OTB can be a bit wishy-washy. If you spoke to him off camera, I'm sure he'd give a more honest assessment. He has to be careful with his words. Upset the wrong people and you could lose access to key sources.OK I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. Neville literally said in his little bit before the palace game with carragher, he doesn't speak to anyone in the footballing department at United.
Mitten knew Murtogh directly, knows people in all roles at the club (regularly cites insights from the analyst teams) and is regularly at Carrington. Scholes and Owen are pundits, if they have any direct link into the club will be one or two people. Mitten is a journalist as you say and corroborates stories. He's set up and been editor for the united we stand fanzine for nearly to 40 years. So yeah, he has much better credentials to be an objective judge of ETH, because he likely knows more about the club than Scholes and especially fecking Owen.
Yes. Total charisma bypass. I’m beginning to loathe the man, and I’m usually pretty forgiving of people’s mistakes. He must be a truly dreadful man- manager. He contradicts himself every week now, with the injury narrative and the ‘we must take responsibility’. He is close to being worse than Moyes- that’s no mean achievement.He's the most bland and uninteresting manager I've ever seen. It's like he's just reading from a script, no emotion or personality to anything he says.
You are calling for heads in your post. Just for all other heads except his.
It's the same cycle though: big bad Jose alienates the players by being mean to them and is sacked, so Ole comes in, offers the players (old and new) a much nicer environment and is less of a disciplinarian, the result is we win feck all and the players actively take the mick in the last few months of his reign and under Ralf. EtH comes in to bring authority and a tougher more disciplined approach with more accountability from the players (old and new) but fails. We now want a softer manager who can bring in harmony again. It seems a bit all over the place if we go with those reasons.Maybe with all the chaos that's been going on with United post SAF, pragmatism is maybe the way to set off this transitional phase.
You'll get 0 drama from Southgate. You'd potentially get stability. Definitely get a good squad harmony.
By all accounts, he's a straight talker with players so mentally the players largely know where the stand with him.
Yeah, it'll probably be all rather nice and bland but Uniteds reputation has been in the gutter for so long now and the club really needs to settle down and try to be less of a circus on and off the pitch.
He’s not my first choice but I can see why Southgate would be a candidate for INEOS in this period of transition for the club.
Probably only by ManUtd fans managers will be categorised as Strict and not strict managers. I mean these are professional players, not prisoners to be strict.It's the same cycle though: big bad Jose alienates the players by being mean to them and is sacked, so Ole comes in, offers the players (old and new) a much nicer environment and is less of a disciplinarian, the result is we win feck all and the players actively take the mick in the last few months of his reign and under Ralf. EtH comes in to bring authority and a tougher more disciplined approach with more accountability from the players (old and new) but fails. We now want a softer manager who can bring in harmony again. It seems a bit all over the place if we go with those reasons.
For the millionth time no they don't. Everyone understands it isn't just him but he is a major reason we're shite just as it is for some players.It's been like this since 2013 with 6 different managers. I'm not saying Ten Hag is the way to go, but we've tried the whole "appoint a new manager and hope for the best" and it hasn't worked so far. We can appoint a new manager, sure, but INEOS should tidy up the organisation primarily. Everyone wanted to behead Ole toward the end and now we see posts about bringing him back... A lot of people here think everything would be clouds made of cotton-candy, houses made of choclate, sunshine and roses in happy land if we just simply appoint a new manager.
Ten Hag may not be up to the task but his squad is fecking dogshite and made of glass.
What's this all about?Yeah come on it's only for 4 games after all,did INEOS not see Onana,Antony and Mount talking behind their hands at full time which tells me something is wrong
So true.You are calling for heads in your post. Just for all other heads except his.
Yeah keep him away from this club FFSAbsolutely stupid move if true. Southgate has failed at club level, he’s doing OK with the National Team as he gets the pick of the bunch from every club. Also, we need somebody up and running as soon as possible to prepare for next season - can’t wait until the Euros are over. Just get Tuchel as soon as Bayern have finished with ECL imo.
The fact that he describes McClaren has the best coach ever should make you pause and question his sense.
Clearly, neither one of you watched the clip.Scholes and Owen are broadly seen to be poor pundits, I'm not sure what that has to do with Ten Hag or being in a **** but feel free to make really shit posts.
Take it you didn't see that at full time then?What's this all about?
Yeah they may as well have given it McClaren to see us until end of season as can clearly coachClearly, neither one of you watched the clip.
Whether or not they are good pundits is immaterial. Both played under McLaren when he was a first team coach, not as a manager. Both were adamant that these are Ten Hag’s tactics and McLaren is sidelined. Why? Because they both agreed that Steve McLaren is an excellent COACH (not manager) and under no circumstances would he ever set up a side the way Ten Hag has.
Coaching is about communication of details, teaching really. Players who are confused play poorly.
This shite that the Ten Hag supporters claim that ETH is good coach is just fecking bollocks.
C'mon man, Nikolay Kostov is more exciting manager than Southgate. GS is way overrated. He has an amazing team, yes he reached semis and final but they had so much luck with the draw, check which teams they played. The first good team on the way and they were out. I prefer ETH over Southgate, on top of that his teams play awful football I remember England u21 it was pathetic setup now is covered by the amazing players he has at his disposal on every position.Southgate has been the most successful England manager in 50 years or so, hasn't he?
Ha has done amazingly for your national team.
I mean even the "golden" english generation was the laughing stock of world football.
Actually reaching world cup semi final and European final is massive achievement.
You guys underestimate him way too much, he is clearly better manager than Ten Hag.
It could be bollocks but from what I’ve heard United are waiting for a club (like Bayern) to reach out to sign ETH so we don’t have to pay him out for sacking him. If true it does make sense but in the short term it’s painful seeing us stick with the guy when it isn’t working.I'm really surprised he wasn't sacked today, and certainly can't think of a really good reason why he hasn't. I guess it could be financial reasons. I.e. it might be cheaper to sack him in the summer given that SAF himself couldn't lead this team to a cup win.
While I am not very fond of southgate, as my posts in his thread will attest to, I will make an attempt at this:Ok, say Southgate was fundamentally chosen as ETH successor, what can we expect from the waistcoat one ?
Positives and negatives.
Really? I vaguely recall reading something around the time when Capello was the england manager that it was the highest paid international manager job in the world or something like that, though I may be remembering that wrong, but my assumption that it pays well was always based on that]
He’d earn more with us. National Team Manager salary was not great until recently.
Pep I think is a little more strict, Ancelotti more lenient and friendly with players. None of them are disciplinarians in the sense that ETH is, he is one of the best disciplinarians of modern era.Probably only by ManUtd fans managers will be categorised as Strict and not strict managers. I mean these are professional players, not prisoners to be strict.
So what is Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti? Strict or non strict managers?
Only thing that matters is winning. When you win, you will have support of entire club. When you fail, you lose support.
I don’t think that is the case. He’s only on our payroll for one more year and even while releasing him from his coaching duties, we could keep his contract valid and keep paying him without paying off his full severance. If he then goes on to find a new job, he would be released from his current contract and I don’t think there would be much payout involved (maybe cover some of the difference in salary). With his contract situation it would not be very expensive to part ways with him.It could be bollocks but from what I’ve heard United are waiting for a club (like Bayern) to reach out to sign ETH so we don’t have to pay him out for sacking him. If true it does make sense but in the short term it’s painful seeing us stick with the guy when it isn’t working.
Yeah and it's very much his squad.It's been like this since 2013 with 6 different managers. I'm not saying Ten Hag is the way to go, but we've tried the whole "appoint a new manager and hope for the best" and it hasn't worked so far. We can appoint a new manager, sure, but INEOS should tidy up the organisation primarily. Everyone wanted to behead Ole toward the end and now we see posts about bringing him back... A lot of people here think everything would be clouds made of cotton-candy, houses made of choclate, sunshine and roses in happy land if we just simply appoint a new manager.
Ten Hag may not be up to the task but his squad is fecking dogshite and made of glass.
Which was forced on him!!!!Yeah and it's very much his squad.