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Its all but guaranteed the Mercs will be at or near the front of the grid with engine regulations staying pretty much the same until 2025 and the Mercs having the best engine set up currently
And of course there are still 7 races this season.
 

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Hamilton looking imperious in FP1.

With changeable conditions again possible this weekend, who knows what could happen.

With Perez struggling again and this circuit being about more than just straight line speed, I think he can make it back to 2nd place no problem.
 

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Hamilton can win from 10 back, but can’t underestimate how bad the Merc is in dirty air, Bottas didn’t go forward at all in Sochi but then he is pants.

I reckon if he’s 1 or 2 in quali they will stick with +10 but if for whatever reason he’s 4-5 they may as well stick all new components in it and start from the back.
 

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Hamilton can win from 10 back, but can’t underestimate how bad the Merc is in dirty air, Bottas didn’t go forward at all in Sochi but then he is pants.

I reckon if he’s 1 or 2 in quali they will stick with +10 but if for whatever reason he’s 4-5 they may as well stick all new components in it and start from the back.
That is going to be his problem, the merc with a new engine is clearly the fastest car in the track, but like you say dirty air is its kryptonite, hates it .
Good call for the extra components, starts a back of the grid, maybe even just do what Max did, free choice of tyres to start the race.
 

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That is going to be his problem, the merc with a new engine is clearly the fastest car in the track, but like you say dirty air is its kryptonite, hates it .
Good call for the extra components, starts a back of the grid, maybe even just do what Max did, free choice of tyres to start the race.
The Merc looks the fastest car by a country mile. I reckon he could win it.
 
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If it's a good track to pass and lewis is starting towards the back, it might make for an interesting race
 

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Red Bull will find some pace by race day, they've been faster for most of the season, hard to see it falling away without explanation, especially with Max's new engine.
 
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DriverTeamTime
1) Lewis HamiltonMercedes1:24.178
2) Max VerstappenRed Bull+0.425
3) Charles LeclercFerrari+0.476
4) Valtteri BottasMercedes+0.664
5) Carlos SainzFerrari+0.682
6) Esteban OconAlpine+0.731
7) Lando NorrisMcLaren+1.169
8) Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri+1.204
9) Fernando AlonsoAlpine+1.205
10) Sergio PerezRed Bull+1.281
11) George RussellWilliams+1.507
12) Daniel RicciardoMcLaren+1.572
13) Sebastian VettelAston Martin+1.632
14) Antonio GiovinazziAlfa Romeo+1.635
15) Nicholas LatifiWilliams+1.685
16) Kimi RaikkonenAlfa Romeo+1.755
17) Lance StrollAston Martin+2.183
18) Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri+2.246
19) Mick SchumacherHaas+2.458
20) Nikita MazepinHaas+2.841
 

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[@dmotorsport] Michael Andretti buys Sauber and Colton Herta will drive for Alfa Romeo in 2022

Has this been confirmed anywhere else? Huge if true!
 
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1) Lewis HamiltonMercedes1:23.804
2) Charles LeclercFerrari+0.166
3) Valtteri BottasMercedes+0.410
4) Sergio PerezRed Bull+0.569
5) Max VerstappenRed Bull+0.635
6) Lando NorrisMcLaren+0.721
7) Fernando AlonsoAlpine+0.856
8) Esteban OconAlpine+0.868
9) Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri+0.952
10) Antonio GiovinazziAlfa Romeo+0.992
11) Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri+1.078
12) Carlos SainzFerrari+1.099
13) Lance StrollAston Martin+1.216
14) Daniel RicciardoMcLaren+1.256
15) Kimi RaikkonenAlfa Romeo+1.339
16) Sebastian VettelAston Martin+1.425
17) Nicholas LatifiWilliams+1.503
18) George RussellWilliams+1.554
19) Mick SchumacherHaas+1.676
20) Nikita MazepinHaas+1.894
 

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[@dmotorsport] Michael Andretti buys Sauber and Colton Herta will drive for Alfa Romeo in 2022

Has this been confirmed anywhere else? Huge if true!
It would be huge, did a bit of digging round and found this.

Regarding Herta's superlicence situation, these are our workings after some kind corrections - correct these further if we're wrong and we'll update:

  • 2018 Indy Lights - 2nd = 12pts. However, 0pts were awarded under the 2018 regulations, as this championship lacked a minimum of 12 drivers
  • 2019 IndyCar Series - 7th = 4pts
  • 2020 IndyCar Series - 3rd = 20pts
  • 2021 IndyCar Series - 5th = 8pts
Best three of four years, 32 points out of 40 required

Please note that Herta could still achieve 40 points this year via the following clause:

A Free Practice Only Super Licence holder will be granted one additional point per FIA Formula One World Championship event following successful completion of at least 100 km during a free practice session, provided that no penalty points were imposed. A maximum total of 10 such additional points may be awarded per driver for free practice sessions over a 3 year period.
Or receive a special exception:

... Have scored a minimum of 30 Super Licence points but judged at the sole determination of the FIA as unable to qualify under any of a) to c) above, while participating in one or more of the championships listed in Supplement 1, due to circumstances outside their control or reasons of force majeure.
 

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I don't follow Indycar, is this kid good?
Yes, 21 years old. 6 race wins and 7 pole positions I think. If I was him, I'd stay in indycar till I won the drivers title. Or not both with F1 at all. He can have a stellar career in USA.

Risk throwing away a very promising career to sit in the middle field / back of grid team. See Romain Grosjean. Stayed in a F1 backwater team far too long and wasted his best years.
 

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Bottas on Pole.
Lewis looks really fast, the race is looking like it could be excellent.
Lewis wont have it all his own way , the merc in dirty air is not always that good.
Max will not be happy, he would have wanted to be in front on Bottas.
 

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Mercs clearly faster and other than maybe Leclerc, Hamilton should be easily able to get through. Norris was a second slower! Perez as usual nowhere.
 

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Mercs again the fastest cars on the track by far. Leclerc did well. He's got the upgraded engine doesn't he? Surprised McLaren were so poor. Not surprised Perez was poor as he always is.
 

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I can see why, new engine , this track is good for passing, I still see Lewis getting on the podium, so maybe damage limitation.
I understand that. However, the way I see it is this - he has been dominant here enough to have a great chance of winning. The points gap between 1st and 2nd is 7 points, whereas the gap in points decreases between positions if you go further down.

I understand he has a great pace and it’s a good track to overtake but realistically he probably wouldn’t catch Bottas or Verstappen. Let’s assume Max wins for the sake of the argument and Lewis makes it back to second. He loses 7 points. Conversely Lewis doesn’t take the penalty and finishes first - he gains 7 points.

However if they took it on a track where he is already worse than Max because it favours RB, even if he finishes 6th, he would lose 10 points compared to second. Basically, to lose out the 7 points he is always scheduled to lose, he is better off doing so on a track he is worse at.

Let’s say Lewis takes the penalty here, comes second. Then the next track favours red bull, so he comes second anyway. That ends up as -14.

Let’s say he doesn’t take it here and wins. He goes into the next race which favours red bull at +7. He then takes the penalty at that track. To get to the same net position. (-14), and assuming Max wins, he would need to place only 8th to equal a net position of -14.
 

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I understand that. However, the way I see it is this - he has been dominant here enough to have a great chance of winning. The points gap between 1st and 2nd is 7 points, whereas the gap in points decreases between positions if you go further down.

I understand he has a great pace and it’s a good track to overtake but realistically he probably wouldn’t catch Bottas or Verstappen. Let’s assume Max wins for the sake of the argument and Lewis makes it back to second. He loses 7 points. Conversely Lewis doesn’t take the penalty and finishes first - he gains 7 points.

However if they took it on a track where he is already worse than Max because it favours RB, even if he finishes 6th, he would lose 10 points compared to second. Basically, to lose out the 7 points he is always scheduled to lose, he is better off doing so on a track he is worse at.

Let’s say Lewis takes the penalty here, comes second. Then the next track favours red bull, so he comes second anyway. That ends up as -14.

Let’s say he doesn’t take it here and wins. He goes into the next race which favours red bull at +7. He then takes the penalty at that track. To get to the same net position. (-14), and assuming Max wins, he would need to place only 8th to equal a net position of -14.
Botas to ram max in the 1st turn... Lewis to come home on the podium with a new engine