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Defo. He is hardly the most diplomatic man in the paddock! Probably knows they are lucky to get away with a nothing penalty.It must be black & white if Marko is coming out with it.
Defo. He is hardly the most diplomatic man in the paddock! Probably knows they are lucky to get away with a nothing penalty.It must be black & white if Marko is coming out with it.
Not going to be 2026 at the earliest.They will when Audi eventually buy them.
Even if they do I'm pretty sure Norris will still be quite far ahead of him.I'd love to see Danny Ric have a car that can compete next season. He's so much more likeable than Max and Lewis too.
He made the switch from Renault to McLaren this year, hence his rather poor showing earlier in the season.
it has been since sunday. the data doesn’t lie, he decelerates over 50mph in a second.It must be black & white if Marko is coming out with it.
Doubt they will have spoken to Max. They are desperate to win by any means under the guise of "strategically".it has been since sunday. the data doesn’t lie, he decelerates over 50mph in a second.
The FIA also state it in the press release.
It’s quite humbling to hear Marko actually apologise though, hopefully they’ve given max a bit of a dressing down for once.
I’m not 100% sure but I think they’ve started their own Powertrain department which is intended to build upon the current Honda engine. Makes sense since the engines won’t change much till at least 2026. In fact they may become more simplistic since F1 plans on dropping the MGU-H, so that could be a win for Red Bull and any potentially new engine supplier looking to enter F1.Are Red Bull still using Honda next year? This could be their last chance of a WDC title before it gets more competitive next year.
Yes they are. Though they wont be branded as honda. They have taken over honda uk factory for the f1 engine and will get help from Honda engineers next season.Are Red Bull still using Honda next year? This could be their last chance of a WDC title before it gets more competitive next year.
Couldn't they do both? Take over McLaren as a team, take over the RB engine factory, supply engines to both RB and McLaren?Yes they are. Though they wont be branded as honda. They have taken over honda uk factory for the f1 engine and will get help from Honda engineers next season.
Longer term RB are hoping a manufacturer will come and buy the f1 engine factory back off them and take over the engines again. Someone from the VW group, but it looks as if Audi have their eyes on McLaren as their way in rather than supplying engines to RB.
In the short term Mclaren have a deal with Merc till 2024 so presumably there would be penalty clauses if they dont take the merc engines?Couldn't they do both? Take over McLaren as a team, take over the RB engine factory, supply engines to both RB and McLaren?
This place used to have loads of TVs and showed loads of sport and did ok food too. It's by Hammersmith Bridge though so not bang central.So the chances are I’m going to be in London on holiday for the race this Sunday. I’ve managed to convince the wife to make time in our schedule to watch it. Anyone know of decent pubs/venues to watch it in? Or is it the case of just finding a sports bar & hoping they show it?
Expect multiple marquee brands from the VW group to feature in F1. Long term rumours of VW and RBR engine tie up, Audi having recent engagement with McLaren, and Porsche looking at a complete entrant as a team (most likely an acquisition). The key thing to understand is on a motorsport level, they all work very independently and having separate teams. So it's likely we'll see multiple brands from the same group.Longer term RB are hoping a manufacturer will come and buy the f1 engine factory back off them and take over the engines again. Someone from the VW group, but it looks as if Audi have their eyes on McLaren as their way in rather than supplying engines to RB.
It'll never happen. Success in F1 will only come with exclusivity on power units and any purchases will come with that clause in there. F1 needs more engine manufacturers if I'm honest, as it helps create the competition.Couldn't they do both? Take over McLaren as a team, take over the RB engine factory, supply engines to both RB and McLaren?
They will get the same spec engine as that's permitted in the rules, but certainly they're limited by the maps that are provided. Good example of this is insight from Matthew Carter, former CEO of Lotus Renault.Always wondered about that 'customer team' business. Since its always about not direct competitors, and therefore second or third tier teams, what's stopping the engine producing team to give b-quality blocks to the customer?
Cheers Jippy, I’ll check them out! Wife will be more than happy to escape to the shops with the credit card for a couple of hours.This place used to have loads of TVs and showed loads of sport and did ok food too. It's by Hammersmith Bridge though so not bang central.
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There's a sports bar in Victoria that's functional- several big screens. Drinks pricey, but much more central and your missus could go for a walk in nearby St James's Park, which is one of the best in London, or walk through the park to the West End if shopping is her thing (no sexist).
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This used to be quite common. There are rules against it now though.Always wondered about that 'customer team' business. Since its always about not direct competitors, and therefore second or third tier teams, what's stopping the engine producing team to give b-quality blocks to the customer?
Didnt Red Bull win with a customer engine from Renault in 2010 (when renault still were a factory team themselves)Always wondered about that 'customer team' business. Since its always about not direct competitors, and therefore second or third tier teams, what's stopping the engine producing team to give b-quality blocks to the customer?
Sounds like De Hems will have it on too if you want to join the Max fans. Decent beer and it's in Chinatown, so West End again and good food options.Cheers Jippy, I’ll check them out! Wife will be more than happy to escape to the shops with the credit card for a couple of hours.![]()
In 2010 Renault were on the way out. From that point on they were basically a works engine manufacturer for RBR.Didnt Red Bull win with a customer engine from Renault in 2010 (when renault still were a factory team themselves)
Nah, I've been saying Lewis will win it for weeks now and I stand by that so nothing to get nervous aboutOnly a few days to go, anyone else getting nervous/excited already?
Very excited. Two of my favourite drivers go head-to-head in a showdown. What could possibly go wrong?Only a few days to go, anyone else getting nervous/excited already?
VW will only commit a single brand to f1, it makes no economical sense to have more than one. Audi makes sense. Porsche would have too much to loose as a brand.Expect multiple marquee brands from the VW group to feature in F1. Long term rumours of VW and RBR engine tie up, Audi having recent engagement with McLaren, and Porsche looking at a complete entrant as a team (most likely an acquisition). The key thing to understand is on a motorsport level, they all work very independently and having separate teams. So it's likely we'll see multiple brands from the same group.
It'll never happen. Success in F1 will only come with exclusivity on power units and any purchases will come with that clause in there. F1 needs more engine manufacturers if I'm honest, as it helps create the competition.
They will get the same spec engine as that's permitted in the rules, but certainly they're limited by the maps that are provided. Good example of this is insight from Matthew Carter, former CEO of Lotus Renault.
I don't think being humble and having hundreds of people travel the world year round just so you can go racing is a natural fitSo, as a relatieve outsider. It seems to me that most F1 drivers are actually rather entitled and arrogant pricks. Is it because it's mostly a rich people's sport? Or am I just projecting the personalities of Max, Lewis and Michael Schumacher unto an entire sport unfairly.
Like most footballers then?So, as a relatieve outsider. It seems to me that most F1 drivers are actually rather entitled and arrogant pricks. Is it because it's mostly a rich people's sport? Or am I just projecting the personalities of Max, Lewis and Michael Schumacher unto an entire sport unfairly.
I’m excited for it, I just hope the race lives up to the occasion. Quite easy being a Hamilton fan now, he’s got 7 after all, nothing will compare to 07, 08 and 14.Only a few days to go, anyone else getting nervous/excited already?
Nope. They're looking at multiples. They did it with LMP1 in the Endurance racing series, it's not beyond them to submit multiple brands to racing competition. Plus the dynamics of the team bosses and their historic relationships indicates that it's not going to be a single brand entry.VW will only commit a single brand to f1, it makes no economical sense to have more than one. Audi makes sense. Porsche would have too much to loose as a brand.
I feel it's worse in solo sports.Like most footballers then?
The truth is most elite sportspeople, getting paid millions, are the same.
You're probably right to be fair.I feel it's worse in solo sports.
They're not all from rich backgrounds actually. That's one of the surprising things I learned from watching Drive to Survive - although I do think most are. Either way, there are only 20 F1 racers, it's extremely cut-throat, so the only way to become one of those is to marry extreme ability with extreme confidence - otherwise you'll fall off someone along the way to the top. (Edit: except for Mazepin I guess...)So, as a relatieve outsider. It seems to me that most F1 drivers are actually rather entitled and arrogant pricks. Is it because it's mostly a rich people's sport? Or am I just projecting the personalities of Max, Lewis and Michael Schumacher unto an entire sport unfairly.
VW Group will only join a non-production based motorsport series if it can directly help flog more cars, they've never been one for general brand awareness. They need to plaster a current road technology all over it. Le Mans was for a long time about the TDI engine, before that FSI, and more recently hybrids. Now they're all in on EVs.Expect multiple marquee brands from the VW group to feature in F1. Long term rumours of VW and RBR engine tie up, Audi having recent engagement with McLaren, and Porsche looking at a complete entrant as a team (most likely an acquisition). The key thing to understand is on a motorsport level, they all work very independently and having separate teams. So it's likely we'll see multiple brands from the same group.
It has definitely gotten worse, possibly as more and more rich and connected kids are entering the sport. Pay to drive has always been a thing but not like it is now. Back in the 2000s and before most of them were pretty nice.So, as a relatieve outsider. It seems to me that most F1 drivers are actually rather entitled and arrogant pricks. Is it because it's mostly a rich people's sport? Or am I just projecting the personalities of Max, Lewis and Michael Schumacher unto an entire sport unfairly.
That's crazy. Doesn't Mercedes also give last year's engine to Stroll's team? It's such a pity in a sport where engine quality is the #1 indicator of success. Given there are only a few engine providers left, it's basically a given that these providers' own top teams can ever be truly competitive.They will get the same spec engine as that's permitted in the rules, but certainly they're limited by the maps that are provided. Good example of this is insight from Matthew Carter, former CEO of Lotus Renault.
Aston Martin are a customer of Mercedes, they have the current year power unit in their car. It's expensive to design an engine, hence why the 2026 regulations are getting a lot of interest from VW, Audi, Porsche brands as the cost to entry is much less than before. The only way people will win championships moving forward is having exclusive use of a power unit, whether own brand or a works team.That's crazy. Doesn't Mercedes also give last year's engine to Stroll's team? It's such a pity in a sport where engine quality is the #1 indicator of success. Given there are only a few engine providers left, it's basically a given that these providers' own top teams can ever be truly competitive.
The maps situation is clear, and I agree that the specs should technically be the same. My point, however, was about production quality of the individual units. Every manufacture produces non uniform quality items, and the way these might differ here would be in longevity. So what I'd guess is Merc bins the best units for themselves, and the lower quality stock goes to the customers. The complexity of the aggregate makes it impossible to detect this externally , unless someone from the factory actually comes forward.They will get the same spec engine as that's permitted in the rules, but certainly they're limited by the maps that are provided. Good example of this is insight from Matthew Carter, former CEO of Lotus Renault.