You literally put quotes on something I never said. I said "people are acting like". That's way different.
My point is, it is ridiculous to claim Max only got some "luck" in the final fix (race). When you consider no significant penalty for brake checking and being awarded half points at Spa for a non race.
What about the first lap shenanigans from Lewis in Abu Dhabi, the race everyone is so angry about? If Max pulled that stunt, no way would he have been allowed to keep position.
Undeserved because, if the final race was not maniplated he would not be WDC. Not his fault, but that blame can go to Masi.
Max set that precedent in Brazil, maybe you should watch it back...
That's not even in the same ballpark
In abu dhabi Max was in front in the corner and all of a sudden Lewis is 400m in front a couple moments later. In Brazil Max was already ahead and stayed ahead and by a much smaller margin. You exposed yourself with that one.Its not blatantly obvious at all. You can argue two things:
Can you post a picture at the point where Max gets ahead in the corner in Brazil? He was ahead through the corner because he carried way too much speed and couldn't make it. Any driver on the grid can be ahead on any corner if there's no requirement to actually get around the corner.That's not even in the same ballpark
First I need to clear up the details on that first lap before I entertain you with the rest of the season. Lewis cut the corner and then just drove a straight line where he could've easily rejoined the track. Watch it back. If you honestly don't think Hamilton should've given position back, we're done talking.
I'm glad someone has come out with it.
The clear and obvious difference besides Max being ahead in the corner is the massive gap after the corner. It isn't nearly the same, but if you can argue that, then you can argue anything and there is no point in discussing this any further.
Lewis gave back the time, just not the position. So bit of a moot point.
Ok, we're done then. Its a block pass, its bad racing hence why there wasn't a penalty. Again, just because you think something is 'obvious' doesn't make it so. If you'd like I can find pundits/commentators that agree with me? If its as obvious as you say I shouldn't be able to find anyone to support my position should I?
I'm a Max fan but even I could see Hamilton had no option but to go off track. Max left him no room. The issue I have with the incident is Hamilton gained too much of an advantage since he was much further ahead after the corner than he was before. The stewards said he made up for that somehow but I have seen no evidence of that. Still, it's a relatively minor thing considering he would probably have driven off into the sunset anyway. The race pace of the Merc was a lot better.
I'm responding to your point about Brazil, dont' change the subject, provide something, anything, factual to back your point up.
That's a myth. Lewis didn't give back the same and even IF he did, its ridiculous because any other time a driver has to give position back
You said Max set the precedent, comparing it to Abu Dhabi. So obviously I'm going to point out the differences. You're getting a bit tiresome.
I agree with this. Lewis didn't need to give the place back, but he should have dropped a bit further back. Although as you say, it would have had little effect. Perhaps because the stewards thought the move wasn't fair, they weren't inclined to quibble over 0.5s-1s?
Lewis Hamilton lost the WDC because of a feck up does not equate disaster for almost everyone. Anyway, never denied it was not a feck up by Masi, but the feck was not only the one you are mad about, it started from the first lap of the race to the penultimate one where he decided to not allow the cars to unlap themselves earlier.
I didn't say Max set the predecent, you've got the wrong person. If you think someone calling you out on your baseless crap is tiresome, then I heartily appologize. You have other Max fans saying you're wrong.....
Watch it back. Lewis could've rejoined the track way sooner than he did.
Not if being forced off, which he clearly was. I agree he re-entered quite dodgy, so can see why people complain about that.
Whew my bad. It's a bit confusing discussing this with multiple people at the same time.
Not as bad as this week. Hamilton losing like that has pissed off all his fans. I cam understand to a certain extent, but give it a rest.
When I did the same earlier you declared you would ignore everything else said. Perhaps you need to calm down a bit. There's other Max fans saying Lewis didn't need to give the place back, but you still assert its such an obvious penalty that to deny it is to forfeit the debate. Really?
Yes because Lewis made no effort to rejoin the track. Also you're right, I'm gonna give it a rest because there's no arguing with you people if you think what happened in the first lap was fair.
Even other Max fans who have defended him vociferously in this thread disagree with you, but you again declare it so obvious there's "no arguing with you people". Perhaps you need to take a step back.
The person you're referring to also said the way Lewis rejoined was unfair. You're not even addressing it. I've mentioned it 5 times now, no reply from you about how he rejoined. Have a good day.
He clearly didn't, surely nobody believes that? Though it's something Red Bull will have had to protest after the race and then gone into the telemetries to prove. Brundle was speaking for everyone in commentary with that one.
He said he thought he should have given more time back, not that the place should have been returned. I've just watched it and I don't think Lewis could have rejoined much earlier. To rejoin in the chicane probably would have conceded a bunch more places (which he didn't have to). He took pretty much a direct path from the part he went off to the exit after the chicane. You can't cut much more off there because there's a wall:
Spa was the tie-breaker enabling Max to crash both of them out and still win in the final race, though.
He's not wrong though, plus it's important they keep pushing this - if Merc roll over it's a clear sign to the FIA and Masi that they can do whatever they like, no matter the rules.
Yeah that's a fair point. I dont think it should have counted as a GP win.
he never.
I think Brundle knows what he's talking about, don't you? Even explained Max was ahead. You say I'm baseless, but I have Martin Brundle on my side.He said he thought he should have given more time back, not that the place should have been returned. I've just watched it and I don't think Lewis could have rejoined much earlier. To rejoin in the chicane probably would have conceded a bunch more places (which he didn't have to). He took pretty much a direct path from the part he went off to the exit after the chicane. You can't cut much more off there because there's a wall:
So Lewis drove from where he was blocked off the track a straight line past the chicane and onto the track. What do you think Lewis should have done? If you are forced off the track during a chicane you are not obliged to rejoin and redrive the chicane.
If you'd like to provide any supporting information to your claim, which so far you havn't all thread, I'd be glad to hear it.
OK, so your only supporting evidence is one commentator agrees with you. Yet the stewards thought otherwise, as did some of the other pundits btw. Provide something, draw a map showing where he went off and where you'd have liked him to come back on. Explain his line and what you didn't like. Do something other than nothing.
You're having a laugh mate. You want me to email you diagrams too? Keep moving the goalposts, I'm done with you
No, I'm asking to do more than nothing to backup your position, no goalposts have moved, I've been asking you to backup your position. I showed you a picture of the wall that demonstrated the path back to the circuit, you did nothing but show a video of the incident that we've all seen 100 times. In fact, your own video just shows Lewis driving a straight line back to the track, it seems you think Lewis should have turned around and driven back through the chicane. You're a joker mate, you spout sweeping statements then baulk when asked to back them up.You're having a laugh mate. You want me to email you diagrams? Keep moving the goalposts, I'm done with you
