ah yes the mighty red bull, stalwarts of F1, engine suppliers, specialising in cars. feck off red bull and get back to your shitty drinks.F1 2021 Season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
ah yes the mighty red bull, stalwarts of F1, engine suppliers, specialising in cars. feck off red bull and get back to your shitty drinks.“They’re such unworthy losers. By the way, if an independent panel decides we lost we’re going to quit.”
Imagine one team is winning 3-0, then in stoppage time the ref decides that whoever scores the next goal wins the match, then awards a penalty to the team losing.
That's more or less what happened to Mercedes.
Lewis doesn't need to do anything but lock himself up in a dark room for 7 days with "The Last Dance" on repeat, and take the resulting determination into training and the next season
C'mon Mercedes, say something.
I need to know if i will continue to set aside some good weekend time and watch the 2022 season in full or do other stuff on my sundays instead.
I'm a little gutted I can't ask for a refund of my time wasted this year. First year I've watched in full in ages and the FIA serve me up this shit
I need to know if i will continue to set aside some good weekend time and watch the 2022 season in full or do other stuff on my sundays instead.
I'm a little gutted I can't ask for a refund of my time wasted this year. First year I've watched in full in ages and the FIA serve me up this shit
Surprised Lewis has been so calm in this situation. If i was him i'd be incensed.
View from a professional driver:
At this rate, we'll have a super civil but totally weird thread next season, with two conversations happening completely in parallel.
First, it's not a "disaster". Second, it's supposed to be a spectacle (not at the expense of integrity of the event of course) else why does any professional sports even exist.
Masi said that all teams had earlier discussed and decided that they didn't want to end races under SC where it was possible to avoid it. It was possible to have a racing lap but Masi absolutely botched it by not letting the lapped cars unlap themselves one lap earlier. The feck up started there.
I agree that it should have been all cars a lap earlier. Same result but none of this outpour of emotion which we are seeing now. It actually broke some of the posters it seems
Yes. He would have been champion without being the best driver of the season. That is undeserved in my eyes.
He made too many mistakes in the first half of the season and lost too many points as a result.
At the end of the day, the best driver won the title, and that is uncontested if you look at the driver ratings.
These driver ratings on a race-by-race basis include scores from six different websites:
AMUS.de
Autosport.com
The-Race.com
PlanetF1.com
Crash.net
F1i.com
Five English speaking, one German speaking, no Dutch speaking.
If that's the case, United should not have won the 99 CL final. Bayern definitely was the better team. Or maybe United should have won the 2005 FA Cup Final when we were by far the better team and yet Arsenal won -- they should have protested?Yes. He would have been champion without being the best driver of the season. That is undeserved in my eyes.
He made too many mistakes in the first half of the season and lost too many points as a result.
At the end of the day, the best driver won the title, and that is uncontested if you look at the driver ratings.
These driver ratings on a race-by-race basis include scores from six different websites:
AMUS.de
Autosport.com
The-Race.com
PlanetF1.com
Crash.net
F1i.com
Five English speaking, one German speaking, no Dutch speaking.
How many competitions have been won by the underperforming teams/player? But none of them were given free hits to win.
Its just silly trying to rationalise Max's season-long performance into a cheated/tainted win.
Btw they both went into the final race on exactly the same points.
My guess is Red Bull lost plenty of followers who could have converted to fans and Mercedes will have the opposite happen, though formula 1 may lose a few casual fans. The interest in next season is likely to increase though isn't it actually? The season of revenge.
My view is that Verstappen was gifted the title and it can't possibly be a sweet victory.
My view is that Verstappen was gifted the title and it can't possibly be a sweet victory.
Extra incentive to overturn the decision.
I have never seen more vitriol on red cafe. Are F1-threads always like this?It actually broke some of the posters it seems
Try our match day threads. The F1 threads are almost patrician-like behaviour compared to match day threads.
The reality is F1 needs Mercedes, not Red Bull. Sure they wanted a Red Bull win this year to retain the sea of orange Max fans that have tuned in, but when he’s done they’ll all be gone. And the 1 season fans will all be gone as soon as it isn’t competitive again. The owners know that long term fans and people involved with the sport aren’t happy about what happened. That’s clear by the sentiment in the paddock.
The best scenario for F1 included 3 key things. A fair fight. A showpiece finish. A Max win. If they got all 3, you keep the 1 season fans. Grow your fan base. And keep the existing fans happy. But they botched up 1 to succeed in 2 and 3.
This is where the balance all changes. You only care about the new fans and spectacle if you’re not pissing someone off who is important. Mercedes are like Ferrari. When the dust settles, F1 simply can’t afford to lose them. Do I think the result will change? No. Should it change? Maybe. But what will definitely happen is whatever else it takes behind the scenes, be it money, be it influence on rules, be it whatever, to keep Mercedes happy.
The best scenario for F1 included 3 key things. A fair fight. A showpiece finish. A Max win. If they got all 3, you keep the 1 season fans. Grow your fan base. And keep the existing fans happy. But they botched up 1 to succeed in 2 and 3.
This is where the balance all changes. You only care about the new fans and spectacle if you’re not pissing someone off who is important. Mercedes are like Ferrari. When the dust settles, F1 simply can’t afford to lose them. Do I think the result will change? No. Should it change? Maybe. But what will definitely happen is whatever else it takes behind the scenes, be it money, be it influence on rules, be it whatever, to keep Mercedes happy.
I would say there are up to 5 posters who you simply can’t discuss things with. They are literally like children with no ability to be impartial. They turn this thread into a joke at times.
You always have fans on both sides debating incidents. It’s the nature of threads like these where not everyone on the forum generally supports the same team/person. And for everyone else except those 5, you can generally hold a good debate.
Imagine if all season, Liverpool receive favourable calls while United receive unfavourable calls. United is the better team, but thanks to referees, Liverpool is able to go into the final game of the season level on points with United.
Then, in the final game of the season, United finally receive one favourable call (a penalty that wasn’t one) to win the game and ultimately the title.
Is that title tainted?
F1 season finale was a manufactured farce and risks the sport's future
Michael Masi made a decision which directly shaped the title race
https://www.marca.com/en/f1/2021/12/13/61b78798ca474188408b45ea.html
Most f1 fans from most countries will know it is tainted.
Inaccurate analogy. To correct it, Max received the most favourable calls all season then the biggest favourable call in the final race.
I struggle to see how there is still any debate on this.
Wishful thinking, you live in a bubble.
Use the chrome extension which allows you to see dislikes on YouTube. The Abu Dhabi race received an overwhelmingly positive review.
The vast majority of F1 fans loved the season finale.
A pen outside the box? Yes.
Must be the Netflix fans
Max lost 70 points because of Pirelli and Mercedes playing destruction derby in Baku, Silverstone and Hungary.
Lewis still lost
Then you cry about the 7 points you lost in Abu Dhabi.
I didn’t know that Netflix fans represent the majority of fans? Because YouTube is probably a bigger and better sample size than you’ll get anywhere else.
The idea that decisions or luck in the final race/game of the season makes a title tainted, but not when it happens in the middle of the season, is an incredibly stupid argument.
Every race is worth equal points.
At the end of the season, Max scored 395.5 points and Lewis 387.5 points.
You can whine about Abu Dhabi, then I will bring up Baku.
At the end of the day, Lewis lost and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Water tight scientific proof right there
Yeah, doesn't change what we all saw happen. Lewis had it until Masi decided otherwise.
I would argue that a sample size of over 300,000 votes is significantly better than whatever evidence Fluctuation has for his claim (which is absolutely nothing).Water tight scientific proof right there
Somehow I'm fairly sure this notion that Max deserved it because he had more points after the final race wouldn't quite stand if Masi didn't decide the race and Lewis won
Lewis had the race until the safety car came out.
Max had Lewis on the ropes until Mercedes began playing destruction derby in Silverstone and Hungary.
At the end of the day, neither matters. The only thing that matters is.
395.5
387.5
Whining about how many points your favourite driver should have scored if not for XYZ will get you nowhere.
I guess it depends on youtube likes
I'm not looking to go anywhere. I'm simply calling it as I saw it and that seems to work you up a bit...
Just to clarify all, Infordin is part of the elite group of posters you should firmly not bother engaging with. We learnt this lesson last time, eventually people stopped, and he went away. Sadly he’s back, but the same approach will work.
If someone wants to make the claim that the majority of people hated what happened in Abu Dhabi, they best bring some actual evidence.I guess it depends on youtube likes
Hamilton fans, especially the English ones, live in a massive bubble.
Most people loved the season finale, you are just a vocal minority.
Yes, we get it, you don’t want any Verstappen fans posting. You just want a moaning session with fellow Hamilton fans.
It’s OK, you’ll get over it eventually.
What does that matter?
Go watch big brother or something if you want to see a popularity contest.
If your were appalled by the finish the first time, you are not going to watch it again on YouTube. Max fans absolutely would though.
I've not seen the highlights, but I bet they brushed over all the farcial elements.
Plenty of Max fans I’d happily engage with and do. Just not you. And ironic that you think I’m a Hamilton fan.