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Some form of it and it was mostly resolved for the majority. Only Merc have it in such a disturbing way to their performance.
It's not about the performance, it's about the potential long-term health implications the bouncing could be having. They are already complaining of neck pain and there will be concerns about what it is doing to the brain.
 

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It's not about the performance, it's about the potential long-term health implications the bouncing could be having. They are already complaining of neck pain and there will be concerns about what it is doing to the brain.
Tough luck they built a shitbox.
 

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It's not about the performance, it's about the potential long-term health implications the bouncing could be having. They are already complaining of neck pain and there will be concerns about what it is doing to the brain.
It is about the performance though. Mercedes could get rid of the porpoising but it would make the car even slower.
 

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It seems like Red Bull are aware they will be quicker in the race.
 

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Perez is going to push himself into the title battle and Max is gonna have a hissy fit this season. Can’t wait. :drool:
 

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Any reason why Hamilton is constantly behind Russell?
Russell is simply faster. Hamilton is used to having by far the quickest car on the grid, Russell been grinding his way to the top on back of shitboxes. It's showing this season.
 

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It is about the performance though. Mercedes could get rid of the porpoising but it would make the car even slower.
Again, this is not just a Mercedes issue. Even the Ferrari's are experiencing porpoising and they have the fastest car in quali.
 

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Haha some serious down playing of an 8 time world champion in here. It’ll be a few things as to why Russell is outperforming him this season. The disappointment of being robbed the championship last year, the horrific car setup this year and the fact that Russell is the hungry up and coming driver. Anyone saying he’s a better more talented driver must be joking. All careers come to an end and the realistic answer is probably that he’s lost some hunger after last year, especially when the car is an absolute dog.
 

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Mercedes basically only works at tracks with billiard table surfaces, not sure how a winning machine like them could get it so badly wrong, if an F1 car doesn't work on the bumps then its useless for 70% of the tracks.

They need to stop with the experiments in practice and dump the philosophy now and concentrate on next year, trying to feck about making this car work just puts them on the backfoot by quali/race.
 

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Russell is simply faster. Hamilton is used to having by far the quickest car on the grid, Russell been grinding his way to the top on back of shitboxes. It's showing this season.
Russell did have the benefit of the tow...
When they switched in Q2 briefly Lewis had the faster lap.

If you view their pace in a logical view, generally they've been very similar throughout the season.

But then again, many comments in here seem to just attack Lewis for no reason.
 

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Russel is 24 and at the start of his career and Hamilton is 37 and nearing the end of his. No shame in him being a bit slower than the former who has everything to prove compared to a 7 time champ that doesn’t need to prove anything anymore. Lewis has shown he still has it though this year and probably has the best drive of the season so far out of the two of them.
 

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It seems like Red Bull are aware they will be quicker in the race.
Yeh anthony davidson said RB are 9kph faster in the straight. Ferrari could have affordes to trim some wing off and reduce the straight line deficit. I think it will be a RB 1 & 3, not sure which driver will be first but leclerc the meat in the RB sandwich.
 

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Haha some serious down playing of an 8 time world champion in here. It’ll be a few things as to why Russell is outperforming him this season. The disappointment of being robbed the championship last year, the horrific car setup this year and the fact that Russell is the hungry up and coming driver. Anyone saying he’s a better more talented driver must be joking. All careers come to an end and the realistic answer is probably that he’s lost some hunger after last year, especially when the car is an absolute dog.
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And, no, last year has no bearing on current year. Car is porpoising a lot and it's more physically taxing for a driver to go quick, Hamilton is 37 so it makes sense his struggles. Also, Russell is used to driving a sub-par car, Hamilton is used to coasting.

Russell did have the benefit of the tow...
When they switched in Q2 briefly Lewis had the faster lap.

If you view their pace in a logical view, generally they've been very similar throughout the season.

But then again, many comments in here seem to just attack Lewis for no reason.
Lewis had to act like a back-marker and fecked over Norris in the process to get a tow of Russell to get into Q3 in the first place. Mercedes made the call in Q3 to let the faster driver get a tow. Russell has been lucky with some of the races this season but he's extracting more out of the car.
 

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Russel is 24 and at the start of his career and Hamilton is 37 and nearing the end of his. No shame in him being a bit slower than the former who has everything to prove compared to a 7 time champ that doesn’t need to prove anything anymore. Lewis has shown he still has it though this year and probably has the best drive of the season so far out of the two of them.
Lewis is having problems with the back wnd of the car not sticking as he wants. He's not the only one having problems. Max is finding the RB too understeering for his liking which is helping perez get closer to him in laptime and beat him sometimes.

Once RB get the understeer of the RB sorted i expect max to consistently outperform perez again. Cant really judge lewis and russell properly until the car stops bouncing but russell has been fantastic so far this season.

Stuff about lewis's age is just rubbish, seeing how wuick he was in spain when the car didnt porpose.
 

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Russel is 24 and at the start of his career and Hamilton is 37 and nearing the end of his. No shame in him being a bit slower than the former who has everything to prove compared to a 7 time champ that doesn’t need to prove anything anymore. Lewis has shown he still has it though this year and probably has the best drive of the season so far out of the two of them.
Good post.
 

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Lewis is having problems with the back wnd of the car not sticking as he wants. He's not the only one having problems. Max is finding the RB too understeering for his liking which is helping perez get closer to him in laptime and beat him sometimes.

Once RB get the understeer of the RB sorted i expect max to consistently outperform perez again. Cant really judge lewis and russell properly until the car stops bouncing but russell has been fantastic so far this season.

Stuff about lewis's age is just rubbish, seeing how wuick he was in spain when the car didnt porpose.
I don’t think it is rubbish. Clearly it’s possible to win races and championships in your late 30s but a man of early 20s is going to have a younger body and reaction time than a man in his late 30s. I indicated in my post that Lewis probably has the best drive/result out of each of them and he’s still obviously very quick, just struggling with the style of car more than Russell but I don’t think that the age thing is a complete non-factor in terms of both what their body will be like and where they’re at in their careers.
 

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Which is why I believe the FIA will need to back down or ease the cost caps a bit. Maybe make an exception for the implementation of the suspension package. If they don't they run the risk of drivers staging a protest or potentially even going on strike. After what happened last year the FIA will desperately want to avoid the negative publicity.
An exception for the suspension package would be unfair for the teams that did get it right. The cost cap will probably be raised a bit anyway considering everything is getting more and more expensive which wasn't factored in.
 

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Lewis had to act like a back-marker and fecked over Norris in the process to get a tow of Russell to get into Q3 in the first place. Mercedes made the call in Q3 to let the faster driver get a tow. Russell has been lucky with some of the races this season but he's extracting more out of the car.
The two was unplanned, Lewis was within the delta time as well and off the racing line so can't see what the issue is with this one.
 

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If it is for safety reasons then you absolutely can. Drivers have already said they are worried about the long-term health implications of all of the bouncing as it is leaving a lot of them in pain.
So the team can fix it. They just don’t want to because it will impact performance. That’s the teams problem.
 

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An exception for the suspension package would be unfair for the teams that did get it right. The cost cap will probably be raised a bit anyway considering everything is getting more and more expensive which wasn't factored in.
What makes you think Red Bull wouldn't welcome active suspension returning to F1?
 

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Some teams have managed to make it work, and the ones who are struggling the worst could easily fix it but it would compromise their speed.

It’s not the FIA’s fault that teams have pushed things to the point that they can’t be fast and stable at the same time.

If fixing the porpoising makes them slower then tough. Tearing up the rule book to solve that issue is entirely unfair to the ones who’ve cracked their designs.
But tearing or adjusting the rulebook is what the FIA have already done this season. Stays werent allowed on the cars and Alpine designed a more rigid heavier floor that didnt flex. Then after the first test in Barcelona the FIA allowed the teams to add stays to stablise the floor and reduce the flexing. Alpine suffered massively as they had done alot of work on the more rigid floor without stays. How many WC points have they lost becuase of the rule change? You could argue if the stays werent allowed, Alpine would have alot more WC points than they do already.
 

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I don’t think it is rubbish. Clearly it’s possible to win races and championships in your late 30s but a man of early 20s is going to have a younger body and reaction time than a man in his late 30s. I indicated in my post that Lewis probably has the best drive/result out of each of them and he’s still obviously very quick, just struggling with the style of car more than Russell but I don’t think that the age thing is a complete non-factor in terms of both what their body will be like and where they’re at in their careers.
When schmacher came back to F1 with Rosberg with his teammate, Schmacher had lost none of his reaction times in comparision to a young rosberg. The problem was the Mercedes at the time didnt suit Schumacher's driving style. He liked cars with a pointy front end which required a stable rear end. Seeing as the Mercedes back then was eating its rears like a true AMG road car, schmacher ended up looking average against Rosberg and people were saying he'd lost "it". Its similar to lewis at the moment, his differential to his teammates has always been the speed he can carry into a corner, brake later and get on the power earlier. He cant do that in a car as unstable as the current Mercedes but Russell can cope better with the current car. That doesn't mean he's lost "it". Its just the car currently doesnt suit his driving style.
 

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And, no, last year has no bearing on current year. Car is porpoising a lot and it's more physically taxing for a driver to go quick, Hamilton is 37 so it makes sense his struggles. Also, Russell is used to driving a sub-par car, Hamilton is used to coasting.



Lewis had to act like a back-marker and fecked over Norris in the process to get a tow of Russell to get into Q3 in the first place. Mercedes made the call in Q3 to let the faster driver get a tow. Russell has been lucky with some of the races this season but he's extracting more out of the car.
Cool as long as you’ve spoken to him about it and he’s fine about it all.
 

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When schmacher came back to F1 with Rosberg with his teammate, Schmacher had lost none of his reaction times in comparision to a young rosberg. The problem was the Mercedes at the time didnt suit Schumacher's driving style. He liked cars with a pointy front end which required a stable rear end. Seeing as the Mercedes back then was eating its rears like a true AMG road car, schmacher ended up looking average against Rosberg and people were saying he'd lost "it". Its similar to lewis at the moment, his differential to his teammates has always been the speed he can carry into a corner, brake later and get on the power earlier. He cant do that in a car as unstable as the current Mercedes but Russell can cope better with the current car. That doesn't mean he's lost "it". Its just the car currently doesnt suit his driving style.
I don’t think he’s lost anything. I just don’t think it is a factor that can be ignored that drivers nearing the end of their career will be different compared to a driver at the beginning. Especially when the young driver is one of Russell’s talent (would put him ahead of Rosberg).