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Bayern have that aura of ruthless German efficiency: lose a couple of games early on and you're done, regardless of past achievements. I imagine the Bayern chairman to be like a Bond villain, replete with eye patch, saying "failure will not be tolerated, Herr Ancelotti", before throwing him into a tank of sharks.
They don't mess about nor accept second best.
They don't mess about nor accept second best.
Ribery could be potentially out until 2018 with collateral ligament damage suffered during the recent 2-2 draw.
Bayern will be fine. They will do whatever it takes to put their bad start to rights, as they've already shown. They'll go out and buy another Dortmund players to destroy their challenge 
How about.. Rafa Benitez? 
No seriously, he'll improve the defensive side for sure. 4-2-3-1 is his staple formation. Tactically sound, available (surely he doesn't love stingy Newcastle that much!) and doesn't have the personality issues of Tuchel and Nagelsmann. He fulfills the present requirements of Bayern imo.
No seriously, he'll improve the defensive side for sure. 4-2-3-1 is his staple formation. Tactically sound, available (surely he doesn't love stingy Newcastle that much!) and doesn't have the personality issues of Tuchel and Nagelsmann. He fulfills the present requirements of Bayern imo.
Doesn't have personality issues?How about.. Rafa Benitez?
No seriously, he'll improve the defensive side for sure. 4-2-3-1 is his staple formation. Tactically sound, available (surely he doesn't love stingy Newcastle that much!) and doesn't have the personality issues of Tuchel and Nagelsmann. He fulfills the present requirements of Bayern imo.
Are you feeling ok? Didn't he fall out with Real Madrid and Inter players? I suggest he does have issues. He also has repeated falling outs with boards.
It would be pointless getting rid of Ancelotti to hire someone like Benitez.
An expert on passing and positional game like Pep or van Gaal?How about.. Rafa Benitez?
No seriously, he'll improve the defensive side for sure. 4-2-3-1 is his staple formation. Tactically sound, available (surely he doesn't love stingy Newcastle that much!) and doesn't have the personality issues of Tuchel and Nagelsmann. He fulfills the present requirements of Bayern imo.
Does he speak German?
Both Nagelsmann and Tuchel match when it is about their work on the pitch. There is questions about Tuchel, but lesser when it means the team but more when it is about the relationship to Kalle and Uli and the press. Nagelsmann will be able to handle both, but is in a contract and lacks the experience in international matches.
The issue with Real Madrid players is quite different, I would even say the opposite of that with Bayern players. Ronaldo and co. didn't like the discipline and organization of Benitez. They wanted more freedom, which is why they loved Ancelotti.
On the other hand, Bayern players themselves complained about lack of intensity, tactics, etc. That won't be a problem with Benitez. He'll instantly improve Bayern defensively, tactically and in terms of workrate.
Do Bayern really want another expert on passing and positional game? German-speaking is definitely a preference but I personally think this team needs to sort out its defensive weaknesses out of possession.
Tuchel is the closest Bayern can come to Pep so he's the guy if they want to continue in that direction. But as you said, he likes his fair share of autonomy and say in team development, which will rub Hoeness the wrong way. He also outdid Liverpool in defensive profligacy which is an achievement in itself.
As for Nagelsmann, I remember him being discussed earlier and I belong to the camp that he's not yet ready for Bayern. He certainly ticks all the boxes and coaching Bayern almost seems like his destiny but wrong timing might spoil all that. Breitenreiter, Weinzierl and Moyes are good examples of what might go wrong.
Both these guys enter a dressing room that got rid of someone as experienced and amiable as Ancelotti. What if they decide that Nagelsmann doesn't know sh*t about handling UCL games (which could be true, btw, seeing his Europa League campaign)? Unless he gets a relatively young squad, I can see Nagelsmann having a difficult time with Bayern's player politics.
I've read there was an internal struggle:
- Ruemmenige wants tuchel now
- hoeness wants to keep sagnol and take nugelsmann next summer
True story?
- Ruemmenige wants tuchel now
- hoeness wants to keep sagnol and take nugelsmann next summer
True story?
Sounds logical, which doesn't necessarily mean it's not made up. If it is true, the two options need to be presented to the "five beloved"
Both disagreed in the past. E.g. about Klinsmann (or when to sack LvG). So it wouldn't surprise me if this is true, but it's not a concern.
Regardless of what I personally prefer: it's probably not a good idea to get tuchel if Hoeneß doesn't want him. That's never going to end well.
Linked to Lucho now? Would be hard to imagine
Sounds logical, which doesn't necessarily mean it's not made up. If it is true, the two options need to be presented to the "five beloved"
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hthe feck is that even.
Luis Enrique.
Frank de boer , David moyes are available
I'm all for it. feck Hoeness. If it doesn't end well, at least there's a chance it damages Hoeness too, or at least brings those power struggles out in the open.
Firing Carlo was the solution, or let's rather say proper reaction, to our most urgent issues, but what seems to have been going on behind the scenes since Hoeness returned from prison worries me a lot, even though I have no accurate information about it.
I just see that Sammer and Reschke have gone and I don't have the slightest idea how Brazzo is supposed to handle all this shit.
Hoeness recent flood of public comments post Carlo, enumerating and naming players who were supposedly against him etc, was another despicable highlight of his recent elephant in the porcelain shop tour de force. Honestly, he needs to go.
Truer words never spoken. He offers nothing and has a massive gob on him.
Seen images on Twitter of Pep apparently meeting Hoeness.
Any chances Pep goes back?
Any chances Pep goes back?
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Surely not. The two are friendly, guess it is a personal meeting. Maybe in a few years.
No way. Pep didn't like to work with Bayerns board either. Bayern is probably asking him what he thinks about Tuchel (to Bayern), because Pep knows Tuchel well.
And Luis Enrique has also been rumored could be asking about him as well.
I do not know where this comes from. Might be that Pep's relationship to Rummenigge was like that of Sammer's to Rummenigge - friendly on a professional basis - but Hoeneß and Pep are friends. Pep has even invited Hoeneß to visit him in Manchester. So this meeting is just two friends meeting - but it could be that Hoeneß asks Pep for his opinion.
Just a cup of coffee with an ex. manager who you fecking beg to come back
Luis Enrique sounds as a logical choice. Whats the common thing between Jupp Heynckes, Pep Guardiola, Carlo Ancelotti and Lucho?! All of them are Champions League winners with one of the spanish giants - Real or Barcelona. Add to that LVG, who is CL winner with Ajax but spent 3 years at Barcelona also.. Thats the Rummennige spanish direction that Bayern follows since 2009.
That makes absolutely no sense. You think Heynckes became our coach again because he fit some "Spanish" direction alongside Ancelotti and Pep, who have little in common tactically? Not because he's been closely associated with our club and Hoeneß for decades?
Has been kinda obvious to me personally in Guardiolas press conferences back then, when he was asked about transfers and other stuff. Also this is the reason imo, why he has joined Man City. He can do whatever he wants with a lot of money and no one interfering in his decisions.
Uli Hoeneß on his meeting with Guardiola in Munich: "I told him about who we are going to appoint in the next days. He was satisfied"
Pep stopped Munich because he had a new project coming and he always before said that the fourth year at Barcelona was the wrong because the players were tired of him. He was part of the signing decisions for Bayern and understood the financial concerns of everything and why they acted the way they did - yes, he would have liked to spend billions and have everything, but who would not.
Pep and his relationship to the press...
Pep stopped Munich because he had a new project coming and he always before said that the fourth year at Barcelona was the wrong because the players were tired of him. He was part of the signing decisions for Bayern and understood the financial concerns of everything and why they acted the way they did - yes, he would have liked to spend billions and have everything, but who would not.
The guy just can't keep his mouth shut can he
If the "he was satisfied" is true that pretty much confirms Tuchel, doesn't it. Tuchel was always Pep's favorite to replace him at Bayern.
He was at the Bayern basketball match and he gave the press something to chew on...
Actually the right quote (was corrected is) - that he told him what they will be presenting in the next days. That again points away from Tuchel and to some different solution.
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Bild at it again
"Van Gaal back to Bayern"
"Van Gaal back to Bayern"
Is Tuchel the guy that got outclassed by Jardim who in turn got outclassed by Allegri last season?
Luis VaN Gaal's red army.
Considering circumstances of their first game against Monaco I wouldn't really use these words.
Yeah, he's the guy who lost a game to Monaca he didn't want to play after a terrorist attack on his team. Jardim really outfoxed him there.
Yeah, he the guy outclassed by Jardim who was outclassed by Allegri who was outclassed by Zidane likely to be outclassed this season in La Liga by Ernesto Valverde who will be outclassed by Unai Emery in the Champions League.
Is Unai Emery free?
The turn of PSG to welcome PepGuardiola!
Just want to correct something, Zidane got already outclassed by Real Betis manager not long time ago.
Real Betis manager is the best in the world #confirmed.
In turn, Unai Emery was perennially outclassed by Pep Guardiola who was outclasse by .. Carlo Ancelotti..
ffs we fired the wrong guy