Don’t let your emotions becloud your senses. You don’t like Fellaini so we should get rid?
Are you kidding me? I don’t like @Banat, so let me lobby the admin to ban you. It makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?
Fellaini (on his way) out? | Duncan Castles: Fellaini agrees new two year deal
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Are you kidding me? I don’t like @Banat, so let me lobby the admin to ban you. It makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?
Likewise Fellaini when Moyes was shown the door.
It reminds me of celebrity's basing trump saying F trump this, F trump that, that if he leaves all of the problems are solved of America when they were there before Trump came in. Jose Mourinho and MUFC is that example, along with VG and Moyes who are the symptoms of a greater cancer problem at this football club.
The biggest worry for me not only is fellaini getting game time he maybe starting more games than not, because no way would fellaini sign a new contract unless he had more of a say in the first team, but the age of the team is a huge worry. I can see him signing willain, then comes the age of the team. I still cannot wrap my head around not only resigning fellaini, but he's sticking with young and valencia who are a year or two away from 35 years old
the possible 11
DDG
valencia smalling bailly young
matic fellaini
pogba
willian lukaku sanchez
If the first game of the PL season sees fellaini start alongside matic, we know exactly how the seasonw will play out
Our manager has begged him to stay for over a year. Fellaini himself has stated he wants more playing time. Then he signs a new and improved contract, and now you think he's only going to play in the dead rubbers and in the league cup?
Your listing a load of players who barely played last year. How about we get rid of some of the bang average first team players? Give me a player who can actually pass the ball and control the ball in Blind over a thug who has one attribute of elbowing players anyday
I appreciate where you're coming from, but i disagree on the assessment of quality. I think we have enough. it's interesting to hear United fans' perspective on this because we've seen the club have great success with no more than a couple of unanimously quality players and then a bunch of squad members both unfashionable and divisive.
We aren't Barcelona or City. We don't play that kind of way so we don't need the same type of midfield and depth.
It's also hard to escape the recent season where we beat every team in the league with that above list, bar two.
So we should get rid of the half-useful players and ignore the totally useless ones? Are you aware these players who barely played last year are drawing millions of pounds in wages from the club?
Fellaini is very useful.
He’s bailed us out it difficult situations several times. Besides, he rarely starts games....he’s only used when the trusted forwards are firing blanks. Fellaini gives our opponents a different sort of problem and he’s a very formidable plan B.
I don't think you follow. Not having to fork out 40-50m for another midfielder, if as many of us assume our budget is too limited with regards to our needs, would allow Jose to strengthen other key positions. So far we've spent around 65m. On average, Jose's net spend has been 130m. He's half way there and we're getting no traction in selling players. If he's got around the same amount left to spend, that's not even enough for two quality players.
It would be closer to ¼% than 71% in his club career mate.Okay, 90% of his International career, and 71¼% of his club career
As for his international career don't know, don't care.
Next season we gonna have Smalling and Jones as CBs, Young and Valencia as FBs trying to cross to Fellaini up top heh
got you.
A midfielder which has qualities to be a real physical presence near the top of pitch? I kinda already said this.
Can't believe there are people who are actually relatively happy that he's staying. Absolutely appalling decision from Jose. I've backed Jose in the face of some utter crap over the last year, but if this deal goes through, it'll be the final straw for me.
Absolutely sick of seeing this thug coming onto the pitch. Week in, week out, elbows thrown and I've to look at his gormless, fake innocent "what, meeee??" face with his arms outstretched as his opponent lies on the ground behind him.
People who think he'll only play the odd time, and in dead rubbers and cup matches really need to look back at last season for evidence of just how often he played. That'll continue. I doubt he'd be signing a new contract without some sort of assurances as to playing time.
Never been a United player. Horrible individual to boot. Get rid. If he stays, get rid of Jose.
Absolutely sick of seeing this thug coming onto the pitch. Week in, week out, elbows thrown and I've to look at his gormless, fake innocent "what, meeee??" face with his arms outstretched as his opponent lies on the ground behind him.
People who think he'll only play the odd time, and in dead rubbers and cup matches really need to look back at last season for evidence of just how often he played. That'll continue. I doubt he'd be signing a new contract without some sort of assurances as to playing time.
Never been a United player. Horrible individual to boot. Get rid. If he stays, get rid of Jose.
many (me included) gets that and in some way agree with that line of thought. There again, why should we keep a 30 year old on ridiculous salary just to cover the 5th-6th choice CM role? Surely we must be able to find someone on cheap who can provide us with cover and has actually the potential to become a better player?
My only explanation to that question is that maybe we'll keep him for a couple of months and then we will sell him for a fee.
The only bonus of this is that he doesn’t go back to Everton and terrorise our defence. He actually put in some reasonable performances against us, but has generally been awful. 5 years, 5 years too long.
Literally no club in Europe wants him and he’s free at the moment! What on Earth makes you think anyone would pay money for him in Jan. We wouldn’t be able to get of him on Freecycle.
If he resigns, it’s because he’s exhausted every other possibility. More fool us for welcoming him back.
Yeah okay mate, whatever helps you get through the day
Exactly. It speaks volumes for what we're settling for, when not a single big club in Europe wanted him on a FREE BLOODY TRANSFER.
Darmian and Blind have drawn some interest from other big clubs, and they aren't available for free.....
Let that sink in. This is what we're settling for, and Jose will reap what he sows.
Absolutely agree with this. Another problem is Jose can make big decision like selling legend like Rooney but these days he's a bit calm when it comes making big football system changes in a club that clearly is in need of efficient one.
When it comes to Valencia and Young it's the same old story with changing original player's function and avoiding signing a specialist on that position. Van Gaal making a defender out of Blind who was chosen best league midfielder in his Ajax time, Moyes suddenly making Fellaini a deep midfielder which I believe is the biggest mistake in his managerial career and will haunt him forever. I just hope Mensah and Tuanzebe will find stable role soon and stick to it for the sake of their careers. We have also random signs of where will be played Andreas Pereira - some say centre attacking midfield, some say winger... no one knows.
Valencia and Young being defenders feels like a cop out just like resigning Fellaini. It's like a fear of something new and revolutionary... expecting different outcomes from old ways is madness plus demanding that Dalot will suddenly play like modern Roberto Carlos and suddenly change the whole dynamic of this team in matter of months is just borderline mental illness.
Signing Willian will mean we'll have two very experienced attacking wingers on both sides if you'll add Sanchez but Chelsea most of their time relied more on magician like Hazard when it comes to winning bigger trophies. If Jose will demand that from Willian and Sanchez it may work at some point but I think they're both also in a later stages of their career and will need a proper support from younger players on that positions. Jose trusts his Chelsea players but they're in a bit different state than before so I'm still not very sure if it's enough to dethrone City and their squad full of fresh attacking players. We'll have to see.
Back to Fellaini - him staying means no real system reform as the player understands football in a monothematic way. We can't change because we have players that can't change themselves. Jones can't learn to stop kamikaze defending, Fellaini won't learn creativity, Smalling will never have Rio's technique and calmness... It seems that Mourinho and Woodward love to play the same game of jackpot with some of remaining players.
To be fair clubs do want Fellaini, just not at the wages he wants.
Why do we need a midfielder with that skillset? Why not either get a striker if we want him to affect play up the pitch or a midfielder if we want him to play as a midfielder?
And you're basing that on what actually ?
It would've been the signing-on fee as much as the wages that had most clubs walking away from the deal, and if he did ask for higher wages than clubs were prepared to pay it was probably as much to do with him not actual wanting to leave United in the first place,
ive said it before and ill say it again, all those who are happy we are re-signing Fellaini so we dont have to spend " 40 to 50 million" on a new midfielder, why do we have this extensive ass scouting network then? Can they not find talent out there that isn't the big name people we could find with a simple damn google search. Shit di marzio is reporting that golovin is being offered for 25 million euros to juve, and he is an actual midfielder any simple fool with google could have figured out.
90, that's ninety posts in the Marouane Fellaini thread - mental note to self "get out more"
Many has this obsolete idea that the main cost of a transfer is the fee which was correct in the past but is not applicable for today's football. As a free agent Fellaini can ask for a salary of 6m-8m a year + a huge signing on fee of around 10m. That's prohibitive for any club whose interested at a player of his level.
Now lets say United renew his contract. We keep him for a year which would allow us to send the likes of Periera and TFM on loan were they will get an extra year of experience. Next year we sell him for 3m-5m and probably finance part of his salary which would then eat away part of the fee we get.
So what are the benefits? We're happy because we've now got two youths with the necessary experience to act as decent cover/competition for us. He's happy because he ensured a first team role a season before the Euro and finally there will be clubs available that can afford him.
We did something similar with Philip Neville. We renewed his contract on a decent salary, which gave us time to see how OShea would do in Philip role then we sold him to Everton for peanuts a year after
Huh? He's only staying because we've agreed to pay him wages for a contract length no one else offered him. Why would clubs suddenly want to give him those terms on top of giving us a fee in few months? We've kept him because Jose wants him to stay, he's gone public last season saying he wants him to extend.
That better not be our starting lineup, zero service in the box...again.
Willan would help with width but I doubt we are getting him
It costs money. Do you not understand that? We dont have unlimited funds and we have other areas to focus on.
Many has this obsolete idea that the main cost of a transfer is the fee which was correct in the past but is not applicable for today's football. As a free agent Fellaini can ask for a salary of 6m-8m a year + a huge signing on fee of around 10m. That's prohibitive for any club whose interested at a player of his level.
Now lets say United renew his contract. We keep him for a year which would allow us to send the likes of Periera and TFM on loan were they will get an extra year of experience. Next year we sell him for 3m-5m and probably finance part of his salary which would then eat away part of the fee we get.
So what are the benefits? We're happy because we've now got two youths with the necessary experience to act as decent cover/competition for us. He's happy because he ensured a first team role a season before the Euro and finally there will be clubs available that can afford him.
We did something similar with Philip Neville. We renewed his contract on a decent salary, which gave us time to see how OShea would do in Philip role then we sold him to Everton for peanuts a year after
I am playing the devil's advocate here (no pun intended)
Both of those positions dont require significant funds, perreira replaces fellaini for free with lesser wages and we can get a back-up striker for less than 10m like chelsea and spurs have done in the past.
You really are just living in dreamland. Pereira is not replacing the physical presence which Fellaini gives us, he might not even be good enough period. Players like Mandzukic and Arnautovic we were linked with would cost a lot more than 10 million.
Do you want a midfielder or a physical presence? Decide. He was good enough for a top ten side in valencia which is what a player of fellaini calibre is really. If you want a physical presence to score goals we can sign a striker to replace him. Fellaini provides something but its something we can easily replace at a lesser cost. This is like giving young a 100k+ contract.
We are linked to a 1000 players and not all of them materalize, only fellaini's agent and you apparently think it will cost 50m to replace him.
An effective back up striker for 10 million?? Your having a laugh. That signing would be criticised far more than Fellaini himself on here.
It’s a win/win situation. We keep our depth in midfield and can focus on other, far more important positions to improve.
You guys need to calm the **** down with the Fellaini hate. He always gives 100% when he is on the pitch. We have players in our squad getting away with a lot more compared to Fellaini.
Do you not get that Fellaini is both a midfielder and a presence near the top of the pitch? Correct me if I am wrong, but Pereira did not even play CM for Valencia. They are different types of players, it’s pretty simple. I never said it would cost 50 million either, stop putting words in my mouth.
Again, why would Fellaini agree to a wage cut a year down the line? He won't which basically means the club can only save money if the difference between the transfer fee we ask for + signing on fee he demands and the signing on fee he demanded this year is considerably big. Fat chance.
Yeah because he sucks at being a midfielder. His only value is to play as a lump of a tree uptop who we lump balls to and we can easily replace him with someone who can perform a similar role.
Quick google shows balotelli and wilshere both are free agents this summer, both would perform much better than fellaini in the role of back-up striker and back-up midfielder.
So does rojo and darmian but we want them sold.
Yeah, I’m done. You’re right, we should sign Wilshere and Balotelli.
Jose will never work with Balotelli again. Not after that one football story in Inter.
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