Gaming FM2017 Football Legends - Classic Player Draft - S2 Holiday Updates

[harms]

Neither are playing like shit. They are both getting around 7.5 average game rating which is way better than most players in a normal database. Its mostly just the competition is very good and we are seeing the limitation in the older match engine (and AI in general) where they haven't implemented a "playstyle" or taking into account the full impact of idiosyncratic players like Di Stefano or Beckenbauer or Cruyff's coaching style

I was only going by that full game & general lack of Di Stéfano on any of the lists. Playing him in central midfield is a blasphemy — I mean, does he even score above 10 goals per season? It's just such a shame that my formation doesn't even have an AM spot.

 

[mazhar13]

It's weird to see my team have great performances from the attacking players but concede so, so many goals. I need to go back and find what my squad was again, but I guess my defenders are struggling to work in Sacchi's uber-aggressive setup.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

I was only going by that full game & general lack of Di Stéfano on any of the lists. Playing him in central midfield is a blasphemy — I mean, does he even score above 10 goals per season? It's just such a shame that my formation doesn't even have an AM spot.

No, I think he's been getting around 9 per season. I suspect the latest match engine would be better at handling a Di Stefano but we are probably still a way off really seeing an AI simulate the unique way all the classic players played. I'm still waiting to see Socrates play a lot of backheel passes

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Here were the original squads. There have been some transfers like Bozsik to Anto and a few manager changes (sanctioned Tuppet has Guardiola) but almost every side still features over 90% of these players:


Sjor (A. Ferguson) 1. P. Scholes 2. A. Nesta 3. P. Lahm 4. U. Seeler 5. E. Davids 6. D. Bergkamp 7. D. Beckham 8. N. Vidic 9. B. Schweinsteiger 10. F. Albert 11. E. van der Sar 12. F. Ribery 13. J.P. Sorin 14. H. Larsson 15. J. Giles 16. V. Onopko 17. E. Gray 18. R. Donadoni 19. T. Gemmell 20. D. Petrescu 21. O. Ardiles 22. O.G. Solskjaer 23. Barthez 24. V. Zajec 25. Anderson(c)

Adjudicator (B. Robson) 1. L. Kubala 2. T. Henry 3. J. Zanetti 4. Roberto Carlos 5. P. Vieira 6. S. Mazzola 7. R. Carvalho 8. G. Buffon 9. F. Lampard 10. T. Adams 11. D. Simeone 12. M. Essien 13. E. Cambiasso 14. L. Suarez 15. W. Samuel 16. J. Segarra 17. V. Durkovic 18. Juninho Pe. 19. G. Zola 20. L. Koscielny 21. P. Cech 22. P. Van Himst 23. I. Cordoba 24. A. Vidal 25. C. Tevez

BeforeKeaneThereWasRobson (R. Michels) 1. Garrincha 2. Xavi 3. Zidane 4. M. Laudrup 5. A Pirlo 6. P Kluivert 7. R Koeman 8. M Tresor 9. D Irwin 10. M Neuer 11. S Busquets 12. R v Nistelrooy 13. A Cole 14. F Totti 15. X. Alonso 16. Giovanni Ferrari 17. D McGrain 18. A Giresse 19. P Keizer 20. L Bonucci 21. R McFarland 22. R van der Kerkhof 23. D Seaman 24. Tommy Taylor 25. I Rush

Mazhar/JB08 (A. Sacchi) 1. M. Platini 2. G. Müller 3. J. Neeskens 4. N. Santos 5. D. Santos 6. D. Law 7. V. Voronin 8. F. Hierro 9. K. Förster 10. S. Effenberg 11. R. Dasayev 12. L. Modric 13. R. Rensenbrink 14. P. Elkjaer 15. Z. Boban 16. S. Lerby 17. A. Haan 18. H. Blankenburg 19. G. Buchwald 20. F. Toldo 21. Marinho 22. V. Beszonov (Bessonov) 23. A. Sastre 24. P. Crerand 25. Leandro

2mufc0 (M. Lippi) 1. F. Baresi 2. M. Van Basten 3. R. Gullit 4. P. Nedved 5. J. Stam 6. M. Coluna 7. C. Seedorf 8. Del Piero 9. G. Zambrotta 10. R. Jarni 11. V. Vasovic 12. M. Ballack 13. D. Alaba 14. Maicon 15. T. Cerezo 16. T. Silva 17. W. Zenga 18. R. Pires 19. K. Keegan 20. T. Kroos 21. D. Godin 22. W. Rooney 23. A. Griezmann 24. G. Donnarumma 25. R. Voller

Gio (G. Trapattoni) 1. L. Matthaus 2. Eusebio 3. Cafu 4. J. Nasazzi 5. J. Kohler 6. L. Monti 7. G. Rivera 8. B. Vukas 9. M. Amoros 10. V. Beara 11. F. Gento 12. D. Da Guia 13. B. Oblak 14. J. Greaves 15. B. Laudrup 16. M. Khurtsilava 17. M. Kempes 18. B. Schuster 19. I. Surjak 20. K. Sesta 21. R. Benetti 22. J. McGrory 23. P. Jennings 24. J. Cesar 25. P. Aimar

antohan (J. Cruyff) 1. Romario 2. F. Rijkaard 3. A. Brehme 4. R. Krol 5. L. Figo 6. W. van Hanegem 7. M. Desailly 8. F. Walter 9. J. Popluhar 10. M. Bossis 11. A. Spencer 12. A. Simonsen 13. G. Signori 14. E. Francescoli 15. L. Enrique 16. J.C.Morales 17. F. Causio 18. G. Popescu 19. A. Carrizo 20. L. Mazurkiewicz 21. M. Andreolo 22. J. M. Bakero 23. J. Haynes 24. Angloma 25. C. Parola

Invictus/Ecstatic (Ancelotti) 1. F. Puskás 2. E. Figueroa 3. G. Nordahl 4. Suárez M. 5. O. Varela 6. L. Thuram 7. A. Iniesta 8. H. Chumpitaz 9. K. Hamrin 10. D. Zoff 11. P. Littbarski 12. W. Overath 13. K. Deyna 14. A. Demyanenko 15. B. Conti 16. U. Stielike 17. F. Arce 18. Raúl G. 19. R. Gordillo 20. G. Gren 21. T. Häßler 22. F. Binder 23. U. Fillol 24. T. Cubillas 25. Dunga

Macern (B. Paisley) 1. Ronaldinho 2. P. Maldini 3. B. Stankovic 4. S. Cervato 5. D. Dean 6. G. Sarosi 7. Z. Boniek 8. D. Mackay 9. C. Ferrara 10. P. Schmeichel 11. W. Nausch 12. P. Pogba 13. E. Butragueno 14. C. Puyol 15. J. Travassos 16. T. Muller 17. G. Gattuso 18. G. Strömberg 19. B. Lennox 20. J. Buzánszky 21. S. Minelli 22. E. Hapgood 23. G. Bruscolotti 24. J. Litmanen 25. V. Baia

Tuppet (H. Herrera) 1. G. Facchetti 2. J. Bican 3. L. Yashin 4. J. Schiaffino 5. R. Kopa 6. P. Janes 7. G. Hanappi 8. W. Schulz 9. D. Savicevic 10. Pirri 11. N. Lofthouse 12. G. Lorant 13. J. Johnstone 14. G. Bale 15. J. Blum 16. S. Hypia 17. Jorginho 18. R. Jonquet 19. F. Szepan 20. H. Michel 21. I. Zamorano 22. G. Boniperti 23. K. Mbappe 24. E. Maric 25. Amarildo

simonhch (Capello) 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. B. Charlton 3. J. Masopust 4. T. Finney 5. Leonidas 6. R. Ferdinand 7. S. Mihajlovic 8. G. Hagi 9. J. Quincoces 10. G. Banks 11. Neymar 12. S. Ramos 13. G. Weah 14. E. Gerets 15. R. Prosinecki 16. I. Petschovschi 17. D. Stojkovic 18. A Benarrivo 19. Amancio 20. M. Belodedici 21. I. Gudelj 22. S. Eto'o 23. M. Preud'homme 24. A. Recoba 25. B. Ivanovic

Skizzo/joga (Lobanovskyi) 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. V. Mazzola 3. D. Edwards 4. B. Zebec 5. N. Hidegkuti 6. N. Liedholm 7. F.Jusufi 8. Ademir 9. P. Vierchowod 10. O.Kahn 11. A. Pedernera 12. Zito 13. L. Riva 14. A.Tirnanic 15. P. Madeley 16. D. Sekularac 17. H.G. Schwarzenbeck 18. Hans-Jurgen “Dixie” Dorner 19. K. Balakov 20. R.Sensini 21. U.Hoeness 22. J. Ceulemans 23. I. Casillas 24. A. Sanchez 25. J. Papin

P-Nut0712(P. Guardiola) 1. G. Best 2. B. Moore 3. F. Redondo 4. Czibor 5. Batistuta 6. R. Keane 7. R.Baggio 8. Kaka 9. L. Blanc 10. D. Alves 11. Riquelme 12. Marcelo 13. J.Veron 14. Robben 15. O. Blokhin 16. Evra 17. Pique 18. H. Sanchez 19. D. De Gea 20. Dan. Blind 21. P. Neal 22. Verratti 23. Lloris 24. Martial 25. J. Boateng

Igor Drefljak (M. Muñoz) 1. G. Meazza 2. J.M. Moreno 3. M. Sindelar 4. A. Ballarin 5. J. Charles 6. E. Ocwirk 7. V. Maroso 8. R. Zamora 9. N. Franklin 10. M. Milutinovic 11. Zlatko Cajkovski 12. A. Lenstra 13. B.Liddell 14. R. Ayala 15. Y. Toure 16. C. Vieri 17. S. Campbell 18. V. Boskov 19. B. Belin 20. D.Cavem 21. M. Ozil 22. Adriano 23.D. De Rossi 24. Gylmar 25. M. Rigamonti

NM (B. Guttmann) 1. Ronaldo 2. G. Scirea 3. Didi 4. Jairzinho 5. Rivaldo 6. S. Marzolini 7. M. Tardelli 8. R. Giggs 9. C. Gentile 10. P. Shilton 11. T. Burgnich 12. S. Piola 13. B.McNeill 14. D. Deschamps 15. J. Altafini 16. R. Orsi 17. M. Kaltz 18. R. Marche 19. C. Bell 20. P. Ince 21. F. De Boer 22. J.M. Pfaff 23. H. Rahn 24. K. Dalglish 25. H. Gregg

Pillow/altodevil (B Clough) 1. J. Cruyff 2. K-H. Rummenigge 3. H. Stoichkov 4. J. Bozsik 5. F. Cannavaro 6. P. Breitner 7. G. Neville 8. J. Terry 9. Jugovic 10. Shevchenko 11. S. Gerrard 12. E. Hughes 13. M. Peters 14. P. Guardiola 15. G. Strachan 16. J. Carragher 17. L. Küçükandonyadis 18. J. Kelsey 19. M. Tassotti 20. R. Byrne 21. T. Butcher 22. D. Villa 23. P. Cocu 24. Aguero 25. M. Soskic

Moby/Raees (M. Busby) 1. L. Messi 2. Zico 3. P. R. Falcao 4. Rivelino 5. Santamaria 6. S. Kocsis 7. G. Bergomi 8. K-H Schnellinger 9. G. Souness 10. P. McGrath 11. Planicka 12. O. Ruggeri 13. R. Perfumo 14. D. Blanchflower 15. A. Di Livio 16. J. Fontaine 17. F. Bene 18. O. Sivori 19. S. Pluskal 20. C. Panucci 21. O. Bergmark 22. N. Dobrin 23. M. Overmars 24. B. Trautmann 25. D. Drogba

Red Tiger/Enigma (E. Happel) 1. Pelé 2. D. Passarella 3. B. Wright 4. D. Dzajic 5. Vogts 6. G. Netzer 7. Tostão 8. B. Robson 9. B. Lizarazu 10. S.Maier 11. Tigana 12. Lato 13. Rui Costa 14. Rattin 15. J.A. Camacho 16. A. Möller 17. J. Joya 18. Lucio 19. S. Reuter 20. S. Bobek 21. Germano 22. R. Dzodzuashvili 23. Bebeto 24. I. Victor 25. G. Lentini

spontaneus1 (O. Hitzfeld) 1. D. Maradona 2. M. Sammer 3. Carlos Alberto 4. A. Shearer 5. Gerson 6. G. Zsengeller 7. J. L. Andrade 8. A. Cabrini 9. A. Hansen 10. N. Southall 11. Costacurta 12. B. Bremner 13. G. Chillieni 14. J. Klinsmann 15. V.R Andrade 16. W. Suurbier 17. M. Hughes 18. E. Cantona 19. E. Happel 20. D. Luiz 21. J. Baxter 22. R. Sanches 23. L. Shaw 24. D. Silva 25. Bebe

harms (Udo Lattek) 1. A. Di Stefano 2. S. Matthews 3. A. Picchi 4. Zizinho 5. Shesternyov 6. A. Erico 7. I. Netto 8. L. Júnior 9. C. Makelele 10. Grosics 11. Armfield 12. H. Scarone 13. R. Bonhof 14. H-P Briegel 15. Tonono 16. V. Bobrov 17. C Jones 18. H.Schumacher 19. A. Segato 20. E. Basora 21. E. Monzeglio 22. H. Szymaniak 23. R. Bochini 24. V. Ivanov 25. M. Ramos

 

[antohan]

They are going to bottom three from s2 not s3
Plus you are in 3rd and defending CL champions! You don't need help!

I want Pepe, hopefully they get relegated and he is released but with Fritz Walter's form I'm not expecting Cruyff to even consider it.

 

[antohan]

No, I think he's been getting around 9 per season. I suspect the latest match engine would be better at handling a Di Stefano but we are probably still a way off really seeing an AI simulate the unique way all the classic players played. I'm still waiting to see Socrates play a lot of backheel passes

Do you reckon FM2020s AI is worth the 7 hour DB conversion wait over FM2015?

 

[antohan]

Just realised Tuppet has gone from Helenio Herrera to Pep, no wonder they are struggling with the transition

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Do you reckon FM2020s AI is worth the 7 hour DB conversion wait over FM2015?

If you are going to play for a number of hours, I'd say yes, just set it up overnight or something. Although, I haven't tried any database newer than this one. But if I was doing this again, I'd definitely put the time into the newest DB

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Remarkable that the @Edgar Allan Pillow @altodevil side has moved into pole position.

3 point lead with 2 games in hand too! Yay!

Honestly, I've not touched this since drafting!

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

May Update (League)

@Igor Drefljak Europa league final results

Spoiler

Champions League Semifinal @antohan vs @Gio

Spoiler

 

[Igor Drefljak]

Jesus, my league form.

From 13 / 7 / 7
To 15 / 8 / 10

And somehow still in with a shout

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Champions League Final

Spoiler

 

[antohan]

Finally got treated to the Cruyff experience. Now sack him.

 

[antohan]

Champions League Final

Spoiler

Shite penos

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Champions League Final

Spoiler

Fast forwarded to the end (the excitement was too much). Loved all the blue dots running into the corner after the winning pen… so realistic!

Moved off the bottom, Laudrup dragging us to mid table safety.

See Tuppet now has Pep as manager. A manager who circumvents the rules…. …. how apt.

 

[Skizzo]

@Joga Bonito and I have been perennial strugglers in this damn thing I think we tried to be too clever with some of our picks

Paul Madely can cover 19 different positions and roles so I expected at least several titles by now.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Shite penos

Chumpitaz

Fast forwarded to the end (the excitement was too much). Loved all the blue dots running into the corner after the winning pen… so realistic!

Moved off the bottom, Laudrup dragging us to mid table safety.

See Tuppet now has Pep as manager. A manager who circumvents the rules…. …. how apt.

@Joga Bonito and I have been perennial strugglers in this damn thing I think we tried to be too clever with some of our picks

Paul Madely can cover 19 different positions and roles so I expected at least several titles by now.

He's actually starting for you in about half the matches, so it might not have been a bad pick!

 

[antohan]

He's actually starting for you in about half the matches, so it might not have been a bad pick!

Depends on whether he is any good or benching a better player. Had that feeling watching Bozsik in that SF, so static... Feck van Hanegem (who must be asking for a transfer by now), I want Andreolo back.

 

[P-Nut]

Finally away from the bottom of the league, maybe my young players start to blossom and I can make a push for the European spots next year.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Final match to solidify European slots:


Season 3 Final Standings

Spoiler

3 years, 3 different league winners.
A lot of sides bouncing around European slots
No team will be left behind!

 

[antohan]

Finally away from the bottom of the league, maybe my young players start to blossom and I can make a push for the European spots next year.

May be right in time too.

I somewhat expected young players to struggle for gametime and wind up moving for peanuts, to much pain/derision. Cue picking oldies like Morales who could play to a decent level, but would never get in the way/stunt the development of someone like Figo.

Haven't seen much of that, but surely teams winning the league and in Europe will start creating a rep/$$$ gap and kicking things off? E.g. how long is Messi going to put up with being out on loan from the bottom-placed team and with little hope of starting ahead of Zico?

 

[antohan]

Final match to solidify European slots:


Season 3 Final Standings

Spoiler

3 years, 3 different league winners.
A lot of sides bouncing around European slots
No team will be left behind!

From CL slots straight to 16th.

Looks like Cruyff never got the memo about tuppet players going to last season's bottom teams. And he even managed to miss on bottom three anyway.

Useless.

 

[mazhar13]

From CL slots straight to 16th.

Looks like Cruyff never got the memo about tuppet players going to last season's bottom teams. And he even managed to miss on bottom three anyway.

Useless.

One thing I've learned is that previous seasons won't necessarily be a good indicator of what's to come in future seasons. Each season has had its own fair share of surprises.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Managers:

ReditgerEnigma: Sacchi
Pillow: Klopp
Macern: Paisley
Invictstatic: Simeone
Igor: Munoz
harms: Terim
Gio: OPEN
Simon: Radice
tuppet: Pep
Adjudicator: Robson
Spontaneous: Hitzfeld
PNut: Capello
NM: Blanc
B4Keane: Mourinho
2mufc: Herrera
Antohan: OPEN
Mazhar: Beskov
Sjor: Pioli
Moby/Raees: Trappatoni
Skizzonito: Stein

 

[mazhar13]

Managers:

ReditgerEnigma: Sacchi
Pillow: Klopp
Macern: Paisley
Invictstatic: Simeone
Igor: Munoz
harms: Terim
Gio: OPEN
Simon: Radice
tuppet: Pep
Adjudicator: Robson
Spontaneous: Hitzfeld
PNut: Capello
NM: Blanc
B4Keane: Mourinho
2mufc: Herrera
Antohan: OPEN
Mazhar: Beskov
Sjor: Pioli
Moby/Raees: Trappatoni
Skizzonito: Stein

Wait, Sacchi left us and led RTEnigma to the title?!

I wonder if my team's board signed Beskov in order to satisfy the Russians in our team...

 

[harms]

Final match to solidify European slots:


Season 3 Final Standings

Spoiler

3 years, 3 different league winners.
A lot of sides bouncing around European slots
No team will be left behind!

What's the criteria by which I finished above @Gio with a worse goal difference & less wins
Although maybe it's the head-to-head record?

 

[harms]

harms: Terim

Clearly the board means business.

 

[altodevil]

Wonder why Clough got bounced

 

[antohan]

Managers:

ReditgerEnigma: Sacchi
Pillow: Klopp
Macern: Paisley
Invictstatic: Simeone
Igor: Munoz
harms: Terim
Gio: OPEN
Simon: Radice
tuppet: Pep
Adjudicator: Robson
Spontaneous: Hitzfeld
PNut: Capello
NM: Blanc
B4Keane: Mourinho
2mufc: Herrera
Antohan: OPEN
Mazhar: Beskov
Sjor: Pioli
Moby/Raees: Trappatoni
Skizzonito: Stein

Finally

UNVEIL PACHETA

 

[Gio]

What happened to Ferguson @oneniltothearsenal ? Thought that was a banker for the next decade or two.

Just realised Tuppet has gone from Helenio Herrera to Pep, no wonder they are struggling with the transition

 

[antohan]

Wait, Sacchi left us and led RTEnigma to the title?!

May explain your past seasons not an indicator of future seasons

Agree though. With so many GOATs floating around the timing for them hitting peak is bound to make it all quite random.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

What's the criteria by which I finished above @Gio with a worse goal difference & less wins
Although maybe it's the head-to-head record?

It must be head-to-head. I was never a master of the FM database setup so not surprising something like this happened.

It's also baffling why SAF left @Gio after winning the CL. Maybe it was a mic drop quit after dismantling Cruyff twice, in the semis as manager and in the finals as a player

 

[Joga Bonito]

@Joga Bonito and I have been perennial strugglers in this damn thing I think we tried to be too clever with some of our picks

Paul Madely can cover 19 different positions and roles so I expected at least several titles by now.

Yup so many versatile players, hasn't exactly panned out the way we hoped it might

 

[Enigma_87]

yey, only CL title evades us yet then

Seems like Moller really switched into gear this season to give us the title.

Tuppet sides is struggling with ongoing investigations.

Sounds pretty realistic then.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Season 4 Preview and

Summer Transfers

tuppet's side has been fined and three players allowed to leave on a free

@BeforeKeanetherewasRobson gains Mbappe
@P-Nut acquires Facchetti
@Šjor Bepo signs Kopa

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

February League Update and a few January loans

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Season 4 Preview and

Summer Transfers

tuppet's side has been fined and three players allowed to leave on a free

@BeforeKeanetherewasRobson gains Mbappe
@P-Nut acquires Facchetti
@Šjor Bepo signs Kopa

Went right down the list of options and missed Kopa….

 

[P-Nut]

Nice outperforming expectations with a midtable position, hopefully kick on second half of the season and have a taste of European football.

 

[mazhar13]

There's no way we're 3rd with a -1 GD! This is incredible!

I'm fully expecting us to go down the table towards the end of the season. I'm surprised at how RTEnigma have fallen. Did they have a managerial change, by any chance?

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

March League Update + CL semifinal Draw
The first year we have all 4 SF CL slots by Redcafe sides.