Season 8 was trash
Nope.
Season 8 was trash
they were aiming for horror in the first and ww2/bombing of dresden in the second, they even fecked it for people who liked the last seasonsGreat epic battle scenes reminiscent of the Crusades or Greek mythology. Wrapped everything up nicely. Held true to the Targaryen “coin flip”. “Bad” folks got their just deserts.
They definitely firebombed Dresden.they were aiming for horror in the first and ww2/bombing of dresden in the second, they even fecked it for people who liked the last seasons
If you went to a nice restaurant and had a great starter with a fine wine, followed by a good main course, if then for desert the waiter without pants brought you out a bowl of fresh human faeces and custard-pied it in your face, you could hardly blame the customer he if overreacted a little.
we get that's what the show was building up to, everyone dying until a bitter ending with the few survivors taking over, the problem was 3 seasons of shitty dialogue, characters dying a slow literary death and abrupt changes in pacing that served the writers boner for cashing in on star wars rather than serving the storyThey definitely firebombed Dresden.
I really just don’t see what folks are upset about. It was what the whole series built up to.
there were 2 battle episodes, this apologism only makes sense if they hadn't bothered with the other 6 episodes, and they didn't bother with them, they just had all the characters say the same things over and over and over againThat stuff just didn’t bother me. Partly because I expected Season 8 to be the “action” part of the show, so I didn’t expect great dialogue and complex storylines. It’s the season where shit hits the fan.
he didn't find his fecking niche, he became dumber and dumber and dumber and should have been hanged for costing so many lives in every battle he oversaw for denearysTyrion’s character arc always had him as a misunderstood, angsty genius who finally finds his niche. The death of his lover and father also brings about the death of the foolish part of his nature, which was gradually happening anyway.
eh i won wann itJon is the dark brooding type. His dialogue is dark and broody. No big deal.
thanks, that's another example of their bad writingVerys lost most of his spy network. It shows that. He never actually believed the “coin toss” bit. He used it to try to convince other people of what he knew/saw in Dany’s character.
so kill them all because that's the only thing that makes senseDothraki made a tactical blunder that fits with their brash nature.
the zombies hadn't fought much either, the wws had as many fights throughoutThe White Walkers hadn’t really battled much at all the entire series. They do the modern thing and let the foot soldiers fight.
i don't give a shit who killed him, it was extremely stupid that he was killed so easilyArya killing the Night King makes sense. Her destiny was to become a living, breathing weapon. That’s why she went to Braavos.
really, did jerusalem have a lazy philosopher king come up with the plan too?Battle of Winterfell was reminiscent of the defense of Jerusalem in the 2nd Crusade.
What makes a great tv show is how everything makes sense and fits together properly. Season 8 goes in completely the wrong direction and the characters in season 8 seem to be completely different people than they are in the previous 7. if you're going to ignore that because the action was somehow satisfying to you then fair enough.@Silva
That stuff just didn’t bother me. Partly because I expected Season 8 to be the “action” part of the show, so I didn’t expect great dialogue and complex storylines. It’s the season where shit hits the fan.
Also partly because I watch TV shows for what they are and I guess just don’t take them too seriously, or as seriously as other people. I’m not looking for life changing stuff here... it’s a fantasy story.
To as many of your points as I really formed an opinion on...
Tyrion’s character arc always had him as a misunderstood, angsty genius who finally finds his niche. The death of his lover and father also brings about the death of the foolish part of his nature, which was gradually happening anyway.
Jon is the dark brooding type. His dialogue is dark and broody. No big deal.
Verys lost most of his spy network. It shows that. He never actually believed the “coin toss” bit. He used it to try to convince other people of what he knew/saw in Dany’s character.
Dothraki made a tactical blunder that fits with their brash nature.
The White Walkers hadn’t really battled much at all the entire series. They do the modern thing and let the foot soldiers fight.
Arya killing the Night King makes sense. Her destiny was to become a living, breathing weapon. That’s why she went to Braavos.
Battle of Winterfell was reminiscent of the defense of Jerusalem in the 2nd Crusade.
Donny, you're out of your element!Nah. Not seeing it.
Apologism is a bit of a stretch.there were 2 battle episodes, this apologism only makes sense if they hadn't bothered with the other 6 episodes, and they didn't bother with them, they just had all the characters say the same things over and over and over again
He was a great bureaucrat. That’s his niche.he didn't find his fecking niche, he became dumber and dumber and dumber and should have been hanged for costing so many lives in every battle he oversaw for denearys
Okay.eh i won wann it
Respectfully disagree. It’s quite obvious how Verys is using that legend to try to get people on his side of the argument.thanks, that's another example of their bad writing
Having 0 survivors makes less sense.so kill them all because that's the only thing that makes sense
If you’re a Walker, you know if you fall, every wight you command falls. Makes 0 sense for them to go into a pitched battle. That became obvious when one of them died earlier in the show.the zombies hadn't fought much either, the wws had as many fights throughout
Or awesome on Arya’s part.i don't give a shit who killed him, it was extremely stupid that he was killed so easily
Actually, at the beginning the king was a leper who had started his rule as a teenager.really, did jerusalem have a lazy philosopher king leading them too?
I just honestly don’t see what the big deal is.Donny, you're out of your element!
and those episodes were all shit,Apologism is a bit of a stretch.
Ep 1 & 2 = get the armies north, show Cercei’s betrayal, set up the Great War
Ep 4 = show aftermath of Great War and show Dany’s continued break with reality
Ep 6 = show aftermath and wrap it up.
Makes sense to me.
what the feck are you talking about, he wasn't a bureaucrat, there was no fecking bureaucracy, jesus christ this is easily your dumbest analysis yetHe was a great bureaucrat. That’s his niche.
that isn't what his character does, this is just another example of shitty writing, he might use legends to sway superstitious people, not fecking tyrion who is meant to be a logical advisor, that they're having these conversation is just stupid, all the things you're writing to defend their interactions are more examples of how shit the writing wasRespectfully disagree. It’s quite obvious how Verys is using that legend to try to get people on his side of the argument.
they did go into battle though, they just went to the action and stood there while their sick leader got wrecked every easily, barely an inconvenienceIf you’re a Walker, you know if you fall, every wight you command falls. Makes 0 sense for them to go into a pitched battle. That became obvious when one of them died earlier in the show.
don't show everyone dying if you don't want to fecking kill them, they're random warriors not jesus fecking christHaving 0 survivors makes less sense.
Well, obviously you think those episodes were poor. You’re just saying the same stuff now. I just don’t agree.and those episodes were all shit,
the armies going up north was the worst kind of fan service imaginable and half the interactions made zero sense
the aftermath of the great was mostly undermining the harrowing loss of life we witnessed in the previous episode
the aftermath of the show WAS A PRISONER ON DEATH ROW CHOOSING THE KING WHAT THE feck HOW DO PROFESSIONAL WRITERS NOT QUIT THE SECOND THEY THINK SOMETHING THIS STUPID AGHHHHH
The Hand is a bureaucrat. It’s essentially the equivalent of the Mandarin Grand Secretary.what the feck are you talking about, he wasn't a bureaucrat, there was no fecking bureaucracy, jesus christ this is easily your dumbest analysis yet
It was all he had left to use.that isn't what his character does, this is just another example of shitty writing, he might use legends to sway superstitious people, not fecking tyrion who is meant to be a logical advisor, that they're having these conversation is just stupid, all the things you're writing to defend their interactions are more examples of how shit the writing was
They obviously expected the Night King to easily kill the little girl. It’s the ones you don’t expect that get you.they did go into battle though, they just went to the action and stood there while their sick leader got wrecked every easily, barely an inconvenience
They didn’t show everyone dying. You incorrectly implied that.don't show everyone dying if you don't want to fecking kill them, they're random warriors not jesus fecking christ
You really can’t have a normal conversation, can you?they showed everyone outside the castle dying and only a handful of unsullied and a few hordes of northmen getting into the castle, then they show the unsullied and northmen die in the castle with only the main cast standing at the end
"why would you assume everyone died?"
holy shit dude
Bureaucrat...i still can't get over the bureaucracy thing, here we have a dragon queen with two armies, one led by grey worm and one led by beefcake, what exactly was tyrion doing if he was a bureaucrat because all they showed on the screen was him being wrong about everything
bureaucrats do almost all the day-to-day work that keeps a government running. The idea of a bureaucracy is to split up the complicated task of governing a large country into smaller jobs that can be handled by specialists. Bureaucraticgovernment is nothing new; the Roman empire had an enormous and complex bureaucracy, with the bureaucrats at lower levels reporting to bureaucrats above them, and so on up to the emperor himself.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bureaucrat
That is quite simply incorrect.he wasn't a bureaucrat, there was no fecking bureaucracy
which part of deanerys armies had even a semblance of beurocrasy, what did tyrion do that showed he was in any way involved in this? throughout the show the hand tells the other members of the council what to do and they do it, that's how ned did it, how tywin did, tyrion even as joffreys hand had other people do these things for him and during his first stint he had to get bailed out by daddy, during his second stint he fecked it up completelyNow, consider what the job of the Hand was, and consider what the job of the Small Council was.
Now consider that these roles are modeled on historical bureaucratic entities like the Mandarin bureaucrats of China and the Privy Council bureaucrats of Great Britain.
As to the post you made as I typed this. Don’t backtrack. Your original post that started this tangent was...
Educate yourself on what the author based the position of the Hand on before calling me an idiot next time.also i don't care about what the role of the hand is in the books or in history, in the show they're shown to be an advisor not a bureaucrat, this is the writers fault, if they want to show tyrion as a bureaucrat do that, don't show him to be a shit advisor, and the reason they didn't show him as a bureaucrat is because he's the top advisor.
this is a show that had zombies, dragons, resurrection and shadow babies - that the story was based on medieval england doesn't mean shit, or that the romans had a bureaucracy doesn't meant shit, the text is the TV show, not your history books
Educate yourself on what the author based the position of the Hand on before calling me an idiot next time.
the books said:My shield, my stalwart, my strong right hand.
Was it because it was poor on its own right in your mind or because you had built an expectation in your mind of what it should be that it didn’t meet?Season 8 still makes me angry. Ruined the entire show for me. No desire to rewatch it or read the books
yo i'm still waiting for any justification for this what did ya boy do that wasn't thick as shit in season 5-8He was a great bureaucrat. That’s his niche.
And I’m waiting for you to learn what a bureaucrat even is.yo i'm still waiting for any justification for this what did ya boy do that wasn't thick as shit in season 5-8
bureaucracy:And I’m waiting for you to learn what a bureaucrat even is.
Looks like we are at an impasse.