1. You can't complain about the government if you never vote.
2. There needs to be a strong majority to get rid of the sniping opposition backbenchers during the EU negotiations.
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2. There needs to be a strong majority to get rid of the sniping opposition backbenchers during the EU negotiations.
This isn't about the opposition, this is about controlling her parties back benches. She's hoping the new intake of MPs to the Cons won't have so many lunatic right wingers who'll revolt when the EU deal isn't a hard Brexit
Who's going to stop me complaining about the government if I don't vote?
Going to a polling station and voting anything other than Tory when it's beyond obvious they're going to win is a waste of oxygen, time, effort and electricity/paper depending on how your vote is cast.
It's such a crap argument that you can't complain when the whole game is rigged against you to begin with. You don't get extra credit and a participation medal for voting.
Feck me, what a thread. I was tagged in on page 1 by @Charlie Foley although I have absolutely no idea why. 
I'm just disappointed that I missed the @Dwazza kicking. If anyone should kick that Canadian fruitcake around it should be me, and he knows it too. Biatch! HHAH! Love ya really dude. x
Although I take it @sammsky1 has left the thread, and not one to kick a man when he's down, but I am shocked at his posts. His posts in the US election and Trump threads certainly do not fit with what he has posted in here, not at all. In here he came across as a Republican and someone he would berate daily in the Trump threads.
As for the actual election, it was obvious May was going to call one sooner rather than later because she's an opportunistic bitch. Everyone talks about Labours leader or the trouble at UKIP or the Lib Dems but I think May is as incompetent, feckless and as weak as any of them. She was pathetic when she visited the US and fawned over Trump, and her track record in her previous cabinet positions are nothing to shout about either. She also wasn't elected and would never have been if Cameron hadn't stepped down. It's just an unfortunate shit show and unfortunately the real working class and the poor of this country are being seriously shafted and we are hurting, this election wont help at all, I think it will just make things worse for many and prolong the suffering.
I'm just disappointed that I missed the @Dwazza kicking. If anyone should kick that Canadian fruitcake around it should be me, and he knows it too. Biatch! HHAH! Love ya really dude. x Although I take it @sammsky1 has left the thread, and not one to kick a man when he's down, but I am shocked at his posts. His posts in the US election and Trump threads certainly do not fit with what he has posted in here, not at all. In here he came across as a Republican and someone he would berate daily in the Trump threads.
Not if you need them it's not. I think Jobseekers allowance is about £75 a week, I wouldn't know how anyone could even begin to live on that.
For someone who says he is highly educated this is a stunningly ignorant statement. I have no Idea where you have this misguided misconception that only the poor or less educated voted to leave the EU because that is most certainly 100% incorrect.
Wow. What many people have to live on and you flippantly say it will pay for your lunch. I completely agree with your argument about Corbyn and can see your point about paying more tax, I could debate with you about many things you have said, but comments like this are just offensive, seriously offensive. It's just not a nice attitude and to be completely honest, from your posts in here, voting Tory should be a given for you.
So much, they are the GOP of the UK, just they are slightly more educated, have better vocabulary and they are not as open about their prejudices or their corruption and dishonesty, but their goals, attitudes and objectives are the same. Just look at the fecking mess Gove left the schools in, or just look at Boris. That should say it all really.
As for the actual election, it was obvious May was going to call one sooner rather than later because she's an opportunistic bitch. Everyone talks about Labours leader or the trouble at UKIP or the Lib Dems but I think May is as incompetent, feckless and as weak as any of them. She was pathetic when she visited the US and fawned over Trump, and her track record in her previous cabinet positions are nothing to shout about either. She also wasn't elected and would never have been if Cameron hadn't stepped down. It's just an unfortunate shit show and unfortunately the real working class and the poor of this country are being seriously shafted and we are hurting, this election wont help at all, I think it will just make things worse for many and prolong the suffering.
Think it's a disgrace that they have supposedly brought in fixed term parliaments, and yet the PM can still call for an early GE when it's to the governing party's advantage. What a swizz.
...and 5 years is too long anyway. Should be following the US model. 4 years, fixed.
...and 5 years is too long anyway. Should be following the US model. 4 years, fixed.
US model 4 years is so short. It takes 18 months for a presidential campaign, so a President hardly gets 2 and a half years in office before starting to campaign for reelection. 5 years is the standard term length in majority of places in the world. Elections are expensive affairs too. Cannot be holding them that frequently. Every 5 years is ideal.
No where really, there's little gains here and there - Mass Labour Membership, Sanders campaign and his popularity,small chance of Melenchon doing something in the French election, Podemos, Syriza(At the start anyway). It's not great but it's the
the only place where there's seem to be some sort of energy and an alternative.
Isn't he in charge of some kind of movement to bring people together?Feck me, what a thread. I was tagged in on page 1 by @Charlie Foley although I have absolutely no idea why.
Although I take it @sammsky1 has left the thread, and not one to kick a man when he's down, but I am shocked at his posts. His posts in the US election and Trump threads certainly do not fit with what he has posted in here, not at all. In here he came across as a Republican and someone he would berate daily in the Trump threads.
Not if you need them it's not. I think Jobseekers allowance is about £75 a week, I wouldn't know how anyone could even begin to live on that.
For someone who says he is highly educated this is a stunningly ignorant statement. I have no Idea where you have this misguided misconception that only the poor or less educated voted to leave the EU because that is most certainly 100% incorrect.
Wow. What many people have to live on and you flippantly say it will pay for your lunch. I completely agree with your argument about Corbyn and can see your point about paying more tax, I could debate with you about many things you have said, but comments like this are just offensive, seriously offensive. It's just not a nice attitude and to be completely honest, from your posts in here, voting Tory should be a given for you.
So much, they are the GOP of the UK, just they are slightly more educated, have better vocabulary and they are not as open about their prejudices or their corruption and dishonesty, but their goals, attitudes and objectives are the same. Just look at the fecking mess Gove left the schools in, or just look at Boris. That should say it all really.
As for the actual election, it was obvious May was going to call one sooner rather than later because she's an opportunistic bitch. Everyone talks about Labours leader or the trouble at UKIP or the Lib Dems but I think May is as incompetent, feckless and as weak as any of them. She was pathetic when she visited the US and fawned over Trump, and her track record in her previous cabinet positions are nothing to shout about either. She also wasn't elected and would never have been if Cameron hadn't stepped down. It's just an unfortunate shit show and unfortunately the real working class and the poor of this country are being seriously shafted and we are hurting, this election wont help at all, I think it will just make things worse for many and prolong the suffering.
I think he's anti Trump mainly because of Trump's anti Islam views.
You don't see the point in voting once every 5 years because you dont think it will change anything but youre then happy to spend hours complaining about it to no-one in particular?
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Obviously voting patterns would change somewhat if people knew they were voting under PR.
The political environment of the UK is weird. Plenty of fairly far left policies poll really well, but the reality is the public want to be governed by right-wing authoritarians.
I think the British public deserve a government to the left of Blair, but clearly that is a massive fight to achieve. As Corbyn demonstrates, there isn't a silent majority simply waiting for those ideas to be presented by anyone. You need personal charisma and competence as a minimum.
Dealing with the likes of fecking Brenda, we get what we deserve, innit.
Well that's just not true is it?
If he holds a religious view but abstains or votes in favour of individual liberty then it's perfectly in line with liberalism. It's the people who expect everyone to hold the same ideology that are illiberal.
You don't need to be atheist to be liberal.
Pathetic headlines. What's next? Will they demand that Ms Maydogan sets up a referendum to gain power without checks and balances, label the opposition as terrorists and throw them in jail?
All the talk of the lib dems in the coalition missed one very important point, their biggest act of destruction.
They, to a man, voted for Lansley's 2012 health and social care act, the result of which is today's crippled NHS, creeping privatization that is leeching what extra funds are provided from patients into the pockets of foreign businesses, and led to the ludicrous situation we have now where richard branson's health company is suing us as taxpayers because he lost out on a contract (https://www.ft.com/content/297e7714-089f-11e7-97d1-5e720a26771b).
Feck them.
They, to a man, voted for Lansley's 2012 health and social care act, the result of which is today's crippled NHS, creeping privatization that is leeching what extra funds are provided from patients into the pockets of foreign businesses, and led to the ludicrous situation we have now where richard branson's health company is suing us as taxpayers because he lost out on a contract (https://www.ft.com/content/297e7714-089f-11e7-97d1-5e720a26771b).
Feck them.
Let me get this right, is the Daily Heil call everybody against Brexit saboteurs?!?! 48% of the electorate are saboteurs? The House of Lords, who's role is to keep parliament in check, are saboteurs? Feckin hell, what is the country coming to...
The mail loves a bit of fascism. Hitler's best friends the Rothemeres. Little has changed.
Shouldn't you blame the stories for that? I mean the Liberals had to compromise in order not to have the coalition government fall.
The very core of our healthcare is no place for compromise if they are truly 'liberal'. The 2012 health and social care act was designed to destroy the NHS, what is happening now is not an accident, it is the intended consequence of tory policy. They voted for it, they own it as much as the tories do.
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As much as it's an unsavoury publication I think the headline is referring to those with seats of power in the houses of Parliament and Lords.
As much as it's an unsavoury publication I think the headline is referring to those with seats of power in the houses of Parliament and Lords.
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We had a huge black hole in our finances thanks to Labour so I'd blame the rise in VAT for that.
They cut tax for millionaires, which brought in more money, but they also cut tax for the poor.
How did the Lib Dems "back the Tories in the rise of Food Banks?"
The Tuition fee rises was a huge mistake
We've had "enemies of the people" and now "saboteurs". What's next when Brexit turns out not to be a panacea for all the UK's ills - "wreckers"? Demands for a show trial of Ken Clarke and Peter Mandelson?
Sadly this sort of stuff will only get worse when May inevitably wins a large majority in June.
As obvious as the referendum was really. They've got a tiny majority and the current polling doesnt really reflect what this GE will be fought on. It'll become clearer in the coming weeks
Interesting data- Labour are the real austerity party
It's the same for both parties and Labour need to support the motion for the snap election to pass, so it's hardly the Tories riding roughshod over due process.
Oh come on that's nonsense, no opposition party can refuse a GE. Certainly not under present circumstances. Secondly the controlling party has the advantage as only they can force it through which they've only done so because of their position in the polls.
The bill was brought in to stop exactly this kind of thing.
More detail is definitely needed there, but it's interesting stuff. I would imagine there are problems with this though, where the tories are elected in in harder times, and labour easier...
Jesus fecking christ. They really are declaring war.
No TV debates and already she's campaigning on the vague promise of 'the best possible deal' sigh.
They've both done it- obviously it's opportunistic, but I can imagine she wants to quell the voices of those pointing out she wasn't elected PM, given the magnitude of shit we're in. We should be more annoyed that the opposition seemingly can't mount a credible charge against this lot, despite the ample ammo they've been given.
Well yesterday has really changed my view on this election. I was thinking that it would be hard to summon the energy to campaign this time round (because Corbyn) but talking to friends yesterday, the sheer number of people who say they won't vote Labour has left me thinking this is a battle to save the party.
First I found that not one person in my immediate office (from 6) was planning to vote Labour, 5 of them having voted Labour 2 years ago. Then I had a Board meeting where three of my Directors who were Labour members said they might not be voting Labour this time. Then I discovered my parents - both activists, former councillors & members since the 70s - aren't sure if they can vote Labour this time.
The only person that said they'd definitely vote Labour was my wife, whose exact words were "I can't be fecked with another fecking election, can't I just fecking vote Labour now so I don't have to listen to Jeremy Corbyn and his freakish man-child voice for the next six weeks". Which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
I know that a handful of my mates & colleagues is not exactly a representative sample, but it still feels alarming.
First I found that not one person in my immediate office (from 6) was planning to vote Labour, 5 of them having voted Labour 2 years ago. Then I had a Board meeting where three of my Directors who were Labour members said they might not be voting Labour this time. Then I discovered my parents - both activists, former councillors & members since the 70s - aren't sure if they can vote Labour this time.
The only person that said they'd definitely vote Labour was my wife, whose exact words were "I can't be fecked with another fecking election, can't I just fecking vote Labour now so I don't have to listen to Jeremy Corbyn and his freakish man-child voice for the next six weeks". Which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
I know that a handful of my mates & colleagues is not exactly a representative sample, but it still feels alarming.
Been hearing similar things around the office i work in too.
It's probably reflective of the public mood, to be fair.
Just wanted you to have a front row seatFeck me, what a thread. I was tagged in on page 1 by @Charlie Foley although I have absolutely no idea why.
Labour are toast for the foreseeable.
I've voted Labour on many an occasion in the past and I'm one of those who won't be doing this time.
They fecked up when the Unions crowbarred Ed Milliband in instead of David and it's got even worse with Corbyn.
Sorry to say but Blair was right. In terms of electability, Labour should not have vacated the centre.
There is an argument to say Labour should now crash and burn & we should go back to how it used to be: a straight Liberal/Conservative fight, thus not splitting the centre/moderate left vote.
So are these people going to vote tory and are they happy about brexit?
Cos the one thing this thread is showing up is how divided people are and how remainers are not prepared to unite and oust this Tory govt
I would vote for Corbyn as he is the only mp I can relate to.
Haha. More traditionally Keynsian I guess, although not Keynsian enough under Blair.Interesting data- Labour are the real austerity party
I just find it interesting how trusted the Conservatives are on the economy. We can definitely have an argument about whether the UK economy would be in better position today if the government had invested (post-2008) to boost our poor productivity rather than cut to balance the books. Especially as balancing the books hasn't actually been achieved, and almost certainly won't be any time soon.
It's certainly an eye-opener and really shows that people buy into myths. I'm somewhat sceptical about the amount of influence governments can have on the economy tbh. They can tinker round the edges, eg cutting corporation tax or incentivising R&D, but the overwhelming driver is normally global trade and the world economy.