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I would say that's a shame because you could learn something, but it's pretty apparent by now that that ain't gonna happen, so continue to revel in your ignorance.Thanks for that. Im out of this thread.
I would say that's a shame because you could learn something, but it's pretty apparent by now that that ain't gonna happen, so continue to revel in your ignorance.Thanks for that. Im out of this thread.
I have great sympathy for people like your mum and it wasn't your father's fault either.I think most sensible people acknowledge those people and I certainly do. I just don't think their sins justify punishing the whole group.
It's also a both a societal issue and a state issue that neither wishes to properly tackle it seems.
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Also just to use myself as an example (well my parents) regarding the 'hard work' factor:
Dad was a fire fighter - had an accident on the job which later gave him early retirement on a 50% pension I believe (he was on pretty big money before he left, 80-100k I believe). Hasn't worked a day beyond his own hobbies since. State funded.
Mum is a social worker, a former nurse and ward sister. Loved her job but hasn't had a pay rise in 10 years (if not longer, I forget). Her work load has exponentially increased (as you will read in the papers all the time). So she's working harder, without any increase in pay.
Dad sits on his arse, earns a fortune. Mum busts her ass and it isn't reflected in her pay.
There's luck involved people.
True. Maybe it's their promise that Britain would be more stable under Cameron than Miliband.In fairness, I very much doubt it's their honesty he trusts.
They're having a go at him for saying shitty things about others, all while demostrating the kind of hyprocricy not seen since @Welsh Wonder turned up to an AA meeting with a crate of vodka.Indeed.
People are having a right old go at you for considering voting tory, but as an additional rate tax payer i think its a no brainer.
If nothing else its interesting to hear the other side
No. Maybe you should learn not abusing someone.I would say that's a shame because you could learn something, but it's pretty apparent by now that that ain't gonna happen, so continue to revel in your ignorance.
The grass roots members voted for him twice though. It was the party's inability to come up with an alternative candidate with any substance.No. Maybe you should learn not abusing someone.
And while Im at it, you should learn not to chase people away from your own party. This is simply a microcosm of the state of the labour party and it stinks. The party stinks. Corbtn has ruined the labour party.
If you don't wanna be called ignorant then don't act ignorant, pretty simple.No. Maybe you should learn not abusing someone.
And while Im at it, you should learn not to chase people away from your own party. This is simply a microcosm of the state of the labour party and it stinks. The party stinks. Corbtn has ruined the labour party.
If you don't believe in the redistribution of wealth through taxation the Labour Party really isn't for youNo. Maybe you should learn not abusing someone.
And while Im at it, you should learn not to chase people away from your own party. This is simply a microcosm of the state of the labour party and it stinks. The party stinks. Corbtn has ruined the labour party.
Who makes you the judge of ignorance???? What are your qualifications??If you don't wanna be called ignorant then don't act ignorant, pretty simple.
For someone who spends as much time as you do having a pop at the US right you're talking an awful lot like a GOPer in here.
No. Maybe you should learn not abusing someone.
I'm fed up paying for the whinging lazy assholes
He is a hard core left loon.
The argument should simply be I'll vote for whoever doesn't increase my tax rate. Be up front and honest about it. It's nothing to do with the state of Labour, hard work, access, Brexit etc. Those are all just attempts to justify it and make yourself feel better.People are having a right old go at you for considering voting tory, but as an additional rate tax payer i think its a no brainer.
I'm not sure what your talking about. I voted for Milliband in the last election and I will be voting for the Lib Dems in this election.True. Maybe it's their promise that Britain would be more stable under Cameron than Miliband.
And there is a fair point, even I am debating whether to vote Green (heart), Lib Dem (anti-Brexit head), or Labour (anti-Tory head).
But the idea that the Conservatives are a safer pair of hands than Corbyn's labour is nuts though. Equally useless.
Reading your posts.Who makes you the judge of ignorance???? What are your qualifications??
no need for you to know.
The problem with these discussion is instead of being about understanding others views, it become personal and about right or wrong. I dont have to justify myself here.
Lets put it this way then.not really. What they did has no relevance beyond they worked hard. Seems people on here are scared or incapable of working hard. ie: leave the EU.
I think that is excellent advice for Mr Sky. No one could have argued with that one. But to be fair, he did say he was voting tory "for the first time ever". Something has changed for him.The argument should simply be I'll vote for whoever doesn't increase my tax rate. Be up front and honest about it. It's nothing to do with the state of Labour, hard work, access, Brexit etc. Those are all just attempts to justify it and make yourself feel better.
They're having a go at him for saying shitty things about others, all while demostrating the kind of hyprocricy not seen since @Welsh Wonder turned up to an AA meeting with a crate of vodka.
-You're making yourself into Murdoch's lemming.Out of interest, what is wrong with voting Tory?
Amen to that.Wow. That escalated quickly.
If you are an employee with a high income (e.g. 100k+), you have to pay a crazy amount of taxes without any of these mystical “loopholes” or other cheating having significance for you. These people already pay a lion’s share of the tax burden. Just look it up. Sure, you can live a great life, but you are hardly not owning your own private jet, multiple apartments all over the world or drinking Champaign out of golden glasses (auxesis!). Somehow the caf manages to equate these people with billionaire investors, who are in no way representative for the “1%” (I hate this classification in the first place), but are more like the 0,001%.
The idea that taxing this group of people is the modern equivalence of playing Robin Hood is delusional.
Sorry, sammsky1, but please do not pretend that there's just the choice of Tories and Labour, and please don't shy away from accepting the full consequence of a Tory vote as I've outlined above but will repeat:Why should I vote Labour? Why shoukd anyone vote labour?
Especially, why should Leave voter's vote labour?
Learnt the other day that something like 75% of BBC executives (or maybe just employees) are ex-public school. Also that the BBC has employed a hell of a lot of out and out Tories, particularly over the past few years.Agree 100%. I think if sammsky1 was honest with himself then he'd come to the realisation that for most people, voting in their own best interest is what they'll do. No shame in that.
I was lucky enough to have private schooling for secondary school and trust me, even if your grades are only marginally better than what you would have got elsewhere, it gives you a huge leg up in lots of other ways.
Its why I'm currently working my nuts off trying to give my own kids the same leg up.
Absolutely nuts! And worse, I certainly wont labour if this is the reception I get.Wow. That escalated quickly.
If you are an employee with a high income (e.g. 100k+), you have to pay a crazy amount of taxes without any of these mystical “loopholes” or other cheating having significance for you. These people already pay a lion’s share of the tax burden. Just look it up. Sure, you can live a great life, but you are hardly not owning your own private jet, multiple apartments all over the world or drinking Champaign out of golden glasses (auxesis!). Somehow the caf manages to equate these people with billionaire investors, who are in no way representative for the “1%” (I hate this classification in the first place), but are more like the 0,001%.
The idea that taxing this group of people is the modern equivalence of playing Robin Hood is delusional.
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Oh it's about posters, who are different to the other people you abused because reasons.What did you prove? Name the poster I abusive about. Go one.
Seriously, the desire to 'be right' is so insecure. Have your own position and vote. Why are you so hellbent wanting 'to beat me'?
Thank you for your civility.Sorry, sammsky1, but please do not pretend that there's just the choice of Tories and Labour, and please don't shy away from accepting the full consequence of a Tory vote as I've outlined above but will repeat:
If you vote for the Tories, stop complaining in the future about anything they introduce and say which you have mandated them for, i.e. hard Brexit, bombings in the Middle East and beating the anti-muslim drum.
CryI feel completely pointless on the political side of things right now. I think I'd feel even worse if I didn't at least have indyref 2 to cling onto being a Scot. How the hell do left-leaning people down south cope when the outlook is so bleak?
I'd wager a guess that anyone who has 300k/year taxable income (all taxed by PAYE) over 30 years is closer to the 0.001% than they are to the 1%.Just to add some numbers to this whole debate
Net wage of £300k becomes a gross wage of £170k. Take home pay of 56.6%. Over 30 years, that's £4.5m
Of course you won't find a space considering you fundamentally disagree with them on a pretty major issue, which is fair enough. I'm amazed you haven't voted Tory before.Its not about me of course, there are many like me, I doubt we can find a space in Labour.
You wouldn't need to if we had an electoral system that allowed more than two successful parties.Absolutely nuts! And worse, I certainly wont labour if this is the reception I get.
Its not about me of course, there are many like me, I doubt we can find a space in Labour.
Victim?? LoL. OK then.Oh it's about posters, who are different to the other people you abused because reasons.
As for the second part of this, I hope you're kidding. Your entire posting history in this thread is how much harder you and your family have worked, so you're either kidding or one of the biggest hypocrites I've had the misfortune to come across. You're now playing the victim after labelling a vast number of people as being 'whinging lazy assholes'.
Our money doesn't though...Lazy whinging assholes deserve some respect, we easily make up about 90% of the world.
If you look at the current government and think that is a safe pair of hands I feel for youI'm not sure what your talking about. I voted for Milliband in the last election and I will be voting for the Lib Dems in this election.
It really isn't crazy to think that the Tories are a safer pair of hands than Corbyn. As a leader Corbyn is completely incompetent in every aspect which will see him crushed in this election.
Amen to that.
But good luck convincing @Mozza that these people aren't basically the devil incarnate.
They're low hanging fruit for the Corbynites, of course. Envy is a powerful emotion. Any policy that is intended to make people who are "richer than you" a little less well off will always appeal. Whether or not these people are already contributing more than their fair share to the exchequer.
Victim?? LoL. OK then.
Cheap shots. of course you have no valid or worthy opposition. Much too much hard work to type out an answer.