Doesn't matter that it's a game and it wasn't a crime, it was a foul and the goal was called off as a result. End off.
It is a thing..what are you taking about? Rules are rules remember?
Not ruined in my eyes. I enjoy football as much as I did when there was no VAR.
You’re not black and white at all
So if it’s ‘all’ about fairness why not review every tackle, throw in, corner?
But then if VAR was being used correctly they were denied one penalty and if we are being pernickety about infringements Laporte was held back a 2nd time preventing him from reaching a ball. So you could flip about what you’re saying and say Spurs got away with one by cheating.
No don’t you get it? VAR is perfect & those against it are ridiculous & living in the Stone Age.
Please, how often will last minute winners be ruled out? There'll still be plenty of them and those which are scored unfairly will be ruled out. You want more teams unfairly winning games by scoring from an offside position in the 95th minute? Liverpool almost won the lesgue last year because of how many offside goals they scored. The ball only got to Jesus yesterday because it hit Laporte on the arm. It's not as if every single winner will be ruled out. We've had VAR in MLS for 2 years now and we still celebrate like crazy as soon as the ball goes in. And then if it's ruled out we boo the ref but still move on. And in MLS the amount of time taken is horrific, looks way smoother in the Prem.
I mean this is true as the rule says something like any goal gained by an infringement or handball won’t be given.
I’m inclined to agree but I think lots of people are directing blame the wrong way. It’s the rule people don’t like here, not VAR.
I have my opinion and I respect others who disagree with it, I think both camps have their own solid arguments. I'd rather see a game where teams don't win by wrong decisions or by something referees missed, I don't care about the joy of goal celebrations but that's me, I'm kinda grumpy.
To me it works perfectly fine and even improves football.
Yes, there were a lot of mistakes being made. Now, less mistakes are made.
I enjoy proper goals. VAR ensure that's happening. I much prefer a couple of minutes of "wasted time" over the possibility of a team getting knocked out of a tournament because of a wrongful goal.
You should blame this on the rules, not on VAR.
I agree with this as well to an extent that the problem is with the rules and execution. If the ref could speak during it and if every ground had a big screens to show what they are looking at it might be better.
Yeah I get that. I’m not sure if it would work better where you only check something that the ref is unsure about. It is a bit like rugby at the moment where it feels like every goal is being checked for a mistake. I’m not sure that’s what we want VAR to be.
As someone who absolutely fits the definition of armchair neutral, I hate it. I don't think it improves the game as an entertainment product at all. It's like that scene in Funny Games where one of the guys gets shot and the other one just picks up the remote and rewinds 20 seconds. It worked as a shocking moment because it totally subverted audience expectations but if it happened in half the films you watched nobody would bother getting invested in the narrative. We're just over a year into it going mainstream and the deus ex VAR twist novelty has already worn off. Football from now on is just post-Sixth Sense Shymalan.
Alongside clearing up the rules, this has to be a priority. How come they don't have a direct feed plugged on the stadium screen that instantly shows the VAR screens ? Why aren't Sky & BT given direct access to that feed too. We had 45s of Pep hugging Aguero but we can't have an instant replay ?
I think part of the issue is people still have the mindset of being on "the wrong end of a VAR decision". Nobody should feel penalised as much as being shown what truly happened.
Well those happen maybe once a decade at best (and one of which had already been removed to the game prior to VAR). Unwanted VAR interventions are happening multiple times each weekend.
In your opinion... is that too hard to grasp? Why can't you just realise that people have different opinions and many people think VAR is a big step into the right direction for football? But nah, it's easier to just bash everyone who think differently than you.
Unwanted by you, not by me.
We live in the VAR era now. Subjectivity no longer exists.
Cry me a river.Game's gone.
That’s exactly my problem. The handball rule has been radically altered, for attackers and defenders, since VAR was introduced. Because VAR was introduced.
I think it’s still relatively new in football. Over time I’d like to think they’ll work to get it better and figure out when and how to use it. It’s like the NFL, which has video refereeing for some time. But still ends up tweaking the rules and implementation each year. I don’t think it’ll ever be exactly perfect, but in my view, what is for sure is that the game will be better for it and it’s use is long overdue. Hopefully, though, they aren’t as stubborn with accepting mistakes and tweaking its use, as they were with getting it in in the first place.
I don’t think you can say it’s been changed solely for the purposes of VAR.
I might be wrong but doesn’t a defender also get punished in exactly the same way if they prevent a goal with an accidental hand ball?
Yeah I thought Rashford was going to be called offside, so didn’t really celebrate. VAR for me is detracting from the game. Football was great before VAR, and I don’t think it was needed.
Game's improved.
Was it actually introduced because of VAR though?
Do you have any evidence that the rule was changed because of VAR?
No idea what sort of “evidence” you’re looking for but I sure as shit don’t think it’s a coincidence that the handball rule has changed radically in the last 12-18 months - at exactly the same time that VAR was being rolled out - having gone largely unchanged in the previous several decades.
Then do it. Isn’t the point of VAR to correct the mistake after all?
Lamela got away with one!
Honestly don’t give a fcuk about a poll. People voted for brexit which is insanity.
What a load of shit. Your posts in this thread are written like a kid who's parents took their toys from them. And no the rebuttal isn't always the same. I suggest you reread the replies and quit burying your head in the sand.
Comparing VAR to Brexit. Utter idiocy
