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VAR - Love or Hate?


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Why change the rules of the game just to suit a fecked up VAR introduction. This keeps getting better, I’m amazed
the offside rule has been a mess for a decade, they dick around with it seemingly every summer, it needs a total rewrite to change the emphasis of it, also to clearly define phase of play, which is a relatively new addition to it
 
There is no competition anymore, VAR is taking the soul out of football and turning the game into a perpetually re-run series of needless dramas.

And decisions/results and awards will be forever overshadowed by people not even in the place of play.
 
Having an argument with a Liverpool supporting mate about all the VAR decisions that have gone their way this season. He has asked me to name three aside from today. I know they have had plenty of decisions go their way but can’t think of any off the top of my head. Anyone able help me out?!
man city arnold handball went up other end and fabino scored.
 
I said it in the other thread, but it's almost as if this is being done on purpose to eventually scrap VAR. This implementation is by far the worst I've seen. Not only does it take too long for a review but they are relying on this sometimes misleading frame by frame analysis for exact measurements.
that's pretty much down to Mike Riley who is insistant of refs not using the screens, the English Refs that work in the CL and EL have no issues using them and I suspect the others wouldn't either, it would help the fans be more accepting of it but Mike Riley was an arrogant prick as a ref and is still the same and the boss of PGMOL
 
I said it in the other thread, but it's almost as if this is being done on purpose to eventually scrap VAR. This implementation is by far the worst I've seen. Not only does it take too long for a review but they are relying on this sometimes misleading frame by frame analysis for exact measurements.

I've thought this for a while. They dont want it to work too well or it will highlight how poor they are.
 
Having an argument with a Liverpool supporting mate about all the VAR decisions that have gone their way this season. He has asked me to name three aside from today. I know they have had plenty of decisions go their way but can’t think of any off the top of my head. Anyone able help me out?!

Liverpool beat Palace 2-1 away. The winner comes shortly after Palace's winner disallowed by VAR for a 'push' on Lovren:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50443051

Liverpool's opening goal given vs City despite VAR looking at it and not penalising TAA for handball:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50278816

Liverpool awarded a penalty against Leicester by VAR in the 90+5th minute after Mane 'fouled':

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49861470

Azpilicueta's equaliser ruled out by VAR:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49705147

These were all close games that turned the tide in Liverpool's favour.
 
the offside rule has been a mess for a decade, they dick around with it seemingly every summer, it needs a total rewrite to change the emphasis of it, also to clearly define phase of play, which is a relatively new addition to it
It doesnt matter what it is, was or will be, people always complain.
If youre offside then youre offside, simple and unpeachable.
Tv companies and pundits have used slow mo, fecking 3d technology to show if anybody was an inch offside and shaming officials over it for years, all the refs are doing is using the same principle so Souness can stick his entertainment business crap (rant over)

I remember Keys and Gray crying about phases of play 15 years ago
 
VAR is a complete and utter mess. If anyone with half a brain looks at any of them 3 offside decisions this weekend and agrees with VAR then you need help . Singlehandedly ruining football
 
VVD handled the ball for Liverpool's goal. Before passing to Lallana.

Var just pretended it didn't happen. Like wtf.
 
I keep saying it, its not VAR's fault, its the imbeciles that are using it that's causing all the issues.

The standard of officials in the premiership is beyond inept, they have been getting away with it for years as none of them were ever held accountable for being rubbish.

VAR has found many of them out.

Other leagues are not having these issues because they have officials that have a brain cell or two.
 
I would welcome a change in the offside rules. This "arm a millimeter in offside" is so impossibly detrimental to the game.

I'd welcome a change in tune of "Did this give the attacking team unfair advantage".

Or a more easily enforcable rule, only blow offside if a players whole foot or whole head is offisde during a VAR review. Arms and torso have a free pass. Anything else is just miniscule and offers no advantage and no real advantage on the play.

Yes this isn't perfect, but it's far better than "players heel was offside" 20 second before the ball was passed into the box.
 
it may well have hit his hand but that video is hardly proof as his body is in the way

The balls momentum pauses where his hand would be when he moves it far away. I'd argue it hit his hand and feel comfortable blowing. But that's just me
 
VAR is a complete and utter mess. If anyone with half a brain looks at any of them 3 offside decisions this weekend and agrees with VAR then you need help . Singlehandedly ruining football

One of the main concerns I had with Var is that they would be handing out penalties for negligible contact, all the contact that happens inside the box would make set pieces a farce(The Smalling argument effectively) Hasn't really been a major problem, but this offside issue just shows how insidious this technology can be. Once you have it how do you justify not using it? Technically all these goals might be offside, end of the argument for some, but in the spirit of the game that we knew they are not.

Better training for officials, experiment with additonal assistants on the pitch, keep video reffing for goal line decisions.
 
The balls momentum pauses where his hand would be when he moves it far away. I'd argue it hit his hand and feel comfortable blowing. But that's just me
so you're ok with VAR guessing so long as it goes against Liverpool?
 
they may well have checked it as they checked Lallana, they have more than one screen and an assistant VAR watching the games

Show it then cause the current angle makes it look like it hit his arm. Very convenient if there is no other angle to make it conclusive.
 
Seriously this has to stop.
Whoever is making these calls clearly has no actual clue about the game.
You are not gaining any advantage if you're milimetres offside about 30 seconds before the goal goes in.

I knew this was going to happen, I don't even blame VAR, all its doing is highlighting the fact that a lot of referees are clueless killjoy idiots.

Perfect opportunity to try this theory of ex-players refereeing.
Get them in that VAR room ASAP, because some of these guys are clearly out of their depth.

If it was used properly it could actually help make the game more entertaining by playing the advantage in these tight offside calls.
These clueless idiots don't have the intelligence to figure that out though, now a goal goes in and they get a hard-on looking for the slightest reason to rule it out, even if the attacking team has gained literally no advantage from it.

Sorry for ranting, but it's simply not good enough, I've had enough .
 
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Seriously this has to stop.
Whoever is making these calls clearly has no actual clue about the game.
You are not gaining any advantage if your f*cking hand is a cm offside about 30 seconds before the goal goes in.
what needs to stop is people claiming anyone is being given offside due to the position of their hand ...
 
Liverpool beat Palace 2-1 away. The winner comes shortly after Palace's winner disallowed by VAR for a 'push' on Lovren:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50443051

Liverpool's opening goal given vs City despite VAR looking at it and not penalising TAA for handball:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50278816

Liverpool awarded a penalty against Leicester by VAR in the 90+5th minute after Mane 'fouled':

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49861470

Azpilicueta's equaliser ruled out by VAR:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49705147

These were all close games that turned the tide in Liverpool's favour.

I would add the Van Dijk foul on Calvert-Lewin. 100% a penalty. Could have made the game 2-2.
 
Seriously this has to stop.
Whoever is making these calls clearly has no actual clue about the game.
You are not gaining any advantage if your f*cking hand is a cm offside about 30 seconds before the goal goes in.

I knew this was going to happen, I don't even blame VAR, all its doing is highlighting the fact that a lot of referees are clueless killjoy idiots.

Perfect opportunity to try this theory of ex-players refereeing.
Get them in that VAR room ASAP, because some of these guys are clearly out of their depth.

If it was used properly it could actually help make the game more entertaining by playing the advantage in these tight offside calls.
These clueless idiots don't have the intelligence to figure that out though, now a goal goes in and they get a hard-on looking for the slightest reason to rule it out, even if the attacking team has gained literally no advantage from it.

Sorry for ranting, but it's simply not good enough, I've had enough .
A hand can't be offside. Try getting a clue next time you rant about "clueless idiots."
 
what needs to stop is people claiming anyone is being given offside due to the position of their hand ...

Why do you keep arguing with anyone about offsides? We know the offside rule but it’s shit under VAR and needs changing.

You were the same one that posted for weeks that Maguire wouldn’t move to us and then he eventually did.

Wind your neck in.
 
Why do you keep arguing with anyone about offsides? We know the offside rule but it’s shit under VAR and needs changing.

You were the same one that posted for weeks that Maguire wouldn’t move to us and then he eventually did.

Wind your neck in.
firstly people clearly don't if they think players are being given offside by their hands, secondly one has nothing to do with the other, you are whining about offsides because they went for Liverpool had the same decisions gone against them you would likely be in here celebrating.

thirdly I at no point said Maguire wouldn't move I said we wouldn't lower our fee, which we didn't so wind your own neck in, you haven't got a clue
 
firstly people clearly don't if they think players are being given offside by their hands, secondly one has nothing to do with the other, you are whining about offsides because they went for Liverpool had the same decisions gone against them you would likely be in here celebrating.

thirdly I at no point said Maguire wouldn't move I said we wouldn't lower our fee, which we didn't so wind your own neck in, you haven't got a clue

I’ve said for months offsides should favour the attacker. VAR has taken the rule too literally and has frankly fecked it up. It was to stop goal hanging not measure mm differences.

I stand by they are using poor quality cameras to measure offsides by a line that usually doesn’t look parallel to the pitch. The whole system on offsides is crap.
 
Can someone please confirm does the offside rule mention anything about benefiting the attacking player?

I always hear this from pundits and other fans but can’t see how this is true. Otherwise why would VAR rule a player offside for having their hand beyond the last defender?

I think it should come down to the attackers feet are beyond the last defender, with linesman only waving offside when it’s obvious. It’s worked well in the World Cup when there were no English officials. Then the officials from the ‘best league in the world’ can’t do something so basic when it has been tested.
Why do you keep arguing with anyone about offsides? We know the offside rule but it’s shit under VAR and needs changing.

You were the same one that posted for weeks that Maguire wouldn’t move to us and then he eventually did.

Wind your neck in.
Why do you claim to know the offside rule when your above post shows otherwise?
 
Why do you claim to know the offside rule when your above post shows otherwise?

You found a post from months ago. I know the basics of the offside rule. At the time I wrote the message pundits were saying the rule favoured the attacker, hence I asked the question.
 
so you're ok with VAR guessing so long as it goes against Liverpool?

I'm ok with VAR making a good judgement call based on all the facts available in the footage.

It's like hockey. The puck can not be ruled a goal during review unless it can be seen cross the entire line. UNLESS the only obvious answer is that the puck is in the goalies glove, inside the net.

And I'd be ok with it if it went against my own team as well, yes. Unhappy that they caught it, but ok.
 
Add up all those points they could/ should have lost and that's pretty much their entire lead on the PL. It's ridiculous.
possibly, but I assume one of the incidents mentioned earlier was the penalty against Leicester at Anfield, that was given by the ref not VAR so they still would have got the penalty without it, the hand ball against City would have stood without VAR, assistant refs have been told not to flag when its close as they can check with VAR so we don't know how many of those would have been flagged by a guessing assistant previously, so it's not quite as clear cut as it looks
 
firstly people clearly don't if they think players are being given offside by their hands, secondly one has nothing to do with the other, you are whining about offsides because they went for Liverpool had the same decisions gone against them you would likely be in here celebrating.

thirdly I at no point said Maguire wouldn't move I said we wouldn't lower our fee, which we didn't so wind your own neck in, you haven't got a clue
Just in here clearly being a wum
 
I think the system is quite likely very accurate to within about 2cm or so depending on frame rate, I just don't care - it's shite and seems to create more misery than it removes.
 
I’ve said for months offsides should favour the attacker. VAR has taken the rule too literally and has frankly fecked it up. It was to stop goal hanging not measure mm differences.

I stand by they are using poor quality cameras to measure offsides by a line that usually doesn’t look parallel to the pitch. The whole system on offsides is crap.
what it should do and what it currently does are different, I agree the emphasis needs to be changed but the FA and PL aren't allowed to change that themselves, that is down to IFAB, of which the FA is a member
 
I'm ok with VAR making a good judgement call based on all the facts available in the footage.

It's like hockey. The puck can not be ruled a goal during review unless it can be seen cross the entire line. UNLESS the only obvious answer is that the puck is in the goalies glove, inside the net.

And I'd be ok with it if it went against my own team as well, yes. Unhappy that they caught it, but ok.
VAR cannot overrule without definitive proof, so a judgement call isn't allowed