the reason it takes so long is they use a computer program which does it, even though they have the same pictures, that's why often the line doesn't look like it is straight.Does it? Because they show us the pictures that VAR use... And its the same angles as the TV
I said it in the other thread, but it's almost as if this is being done on purpose to eventually scrap VAR. This implementation is by far the worst I've seen. Not only does it take too long for a review but they are relying on this sometimes misleading frame by frame analysis for exact measurements.It's an absolute disgrace and it has nothing to do with the tech itself but the way its being implemented by the morons in charge. You cannot fecking rule out goals by millimeters when the tech isn't 100% ffs. Absolutely horrendous and fecking up the game.
IFAB requirement to have it, they can't make the referee check them though...Why do they have the VAR monitors on the sidelines but the PL refs never use them?
the offside rule has been a mess for a decade, they dick around with it seemingly every summer, it needs a total rewrite to change the emphasis of it, also to clearly define phase of play, which is a relatively new addition to itWhy change the rules of the game just to suit a fecked up VAR introduction. This keeps getting better, I’m amazed
man city arnold handball went up other end and fabino scored.Having an argument with a Liverpool supporting mate about all the VAR decisions that have gone their way this season. He has asked me to name three aside from today. I know they have had plenty of decisions go their way but can’t think of any off the top of my head. Anyone able help me out?!
This probably would lead to teams defending too deep, because an offside trap with an high line would be dangerous.The Lallana shoulder pass was correct.
The offsides need reviewing a ASAP because they've disallowed 4 perfectly good goals over the last couple of days.
that's pretty much down to Mike Riley who is insistant of refs not using the screens, the English Refs that work in the CL and EL have no issues using them and I suspect the others wouldn't either, it would help the fans be more accepting of it but Mike Riley was an arrogant prick as a ref and is still the same and the boss of PGMOLI said it in the other thread, but it's almost as if this is being done on purpose to eventually scrap VAR. This implementation is by far the worst I've seen. Not only does it take too long for a review but they are relying on this sometimes misleading frame by frame analysis for exact measurements.
I've thought this for a while. They dont want it to work too well or it will highlight how poor they are.I said it in the other thread, but it's almost as if this is being done on purpose to eventually scrap VAR. This implementation is by far the worst I've seen. Not only does it take too long for a review but they are relying on this sometimes misleading frame by frame analysis for exact measurements.
Liverpool beat Palace 2-1 away. The winner comes shortly after Palace's winner disallowed by VAR for a 'push' on Lovren:Having an argument with a Liverpool supporting mate about all the VAR decisions that have gone their way this season. He has asked me to name three aside from today. I know they have had plenty of decisions go their way but can’t think of any off the top of my head. Anyone able help me out?!
It doesnt matter what it is, was or will be, people always complain.the offside rule has been a mess for a decade, they dick around with it seemingly every summer, it needs a total rewrite to change the emphasis of it, also to clearly define phase of play, which is a relatively new addition to it
it may well have hit his hand but that video is hardly proof as his body is in the wayThe ball hit VVD's hand in the build up, ergo no goal. But wouldn't expect a deluded dipper to understand that.
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Yes but they didn't even check it. So therein lies the problem. Var has been suiting one team in particular.it may well have hit his hand but that video is hardly proof as his body is in the way
they may well have checked it as they checked Lallana, they have more than one screen and an assistant VAR watching the gamesYes but they didn't even check it. So therein lies the problem. Var has been suiting one team in particular.
The balls momentum pauses where his hand would be when he moves it far away. I'd argue it hit his hand and feel comfortable blowing. But that's just meit may well have hit his hand but that video is hardly proof as his body is in the way
One of the main concerns I had with Var is that they would be handing out penalties for negligible contact, all the contact that happens inside the box would make set pieces a farce(The Smalling argument effectively) Hasn't really been a major problem, but this offside issue just shows how insidious this technology can be. Once you have it how do you justify not using it? Technically all these goals might be offside, end of the argument for some, but in the spirit of the game that we knew they are not.VAR is a complete and utter mess. If anyone with half a brain looks at any of them 3 offside decisions this weekend and agrees with VAR then you need help . Singlehandedly ruining football
so you're ok with VAR guessing so long as it goes against Liverpool?The balls momentum pauses where his hand would be when he moves it far away. I'd argue it hit his hand and feel comfortable blowing. But that's just me
Show it then cause the current angle makes it look like it hit his arm. Very convenient if there is no other angle to make it conclusive.they may well have checked it as they checked Lallana, they have more than one screen and an assistant VAR watching the games
I would have but I'm not the director and they would have had the reverse angleShow it then cause the current angle makes it look like it hit his arm. Very convenient if there is no other angle to make it conclusive.
It seems to me, all they do is guessso you're ok with VAR guessing so long as it goes against Liverpool?
what needs to stop is people claiming anyone is being given offside due to the position of their hand ...Seriously this has to stop.
Whoever is making these calls clearly has no actual clue about the game.
You are not gaining any advantage if your f*cking hand is a cm offside about 30 seconds before the goal goes in.
I would add the Van Dijk foul on Calvert-Lewin. 100% a penalty. Could have made the game 2-2.Liverpool beat Palace 2-1 away. The winner comes shortly after Palace's winner disallowed by VAR for a 'push' on Lovren:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50443051
Liverpool's opening goal given vs City despite VAR looking at it and not penalising TAA for handball:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50278816
Liverpool awarded a penalty against Leicester by VAR in the 90+5th minute after Mane 'fouled':
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49861470
Azpilicueta's equaliser ruled out by VAR:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49705147
These were all close games that turned the tide in Liverpool's favour.
A hand can't be offside. Try getting a clue next time you rant about "clueless idiots."Seriously this has to stop.
Whoever is making these calls clearly has no actual clue about the game.
You are not gaining any advantage if your f*cking hand is a cm offside about 30 seconds before the goal goes in.
I knew this was going to happen, I don't even blame VAR, all its doing is highlighting the fact that a lot of referees are clueless killjoy idiots.
Perfect opportunity to try this theory of ex-players refereeing.
Get them in that VAR room ASAP, because some of these guys are clearly out of their depth.
If it was used properly it could actually help make the game more entertaining by playing the advantage in these tight offside calls.
These clueless idiots don't have the intelligence to figure that out though, now a goal goes in and they get a hard-on looking for the slightest reason to rule it out, even if the attacking team has gained literally no advantage from it.
Sorry for ranting, but it's simply not good enough, I've had enough .
Why do you keep arguing with anyone about offsides? We know the offside rule but it’s shit under VAR and needs changing.what needs to stop is people claiming anyone is being given offside due to the position of their hand ...
firstly people clearly don't if they think players are being given offside by their hands, secondly one has nothing to do with the other, you are whining about offsides because they went for Liverpool had the same decisions gone against them you would likely be in here celebrating.Why do you keep arguing with anyone about offsides? We know the offside rule but it’s shit under VAR and needs changing.
You were the same one that posted for weeks that Maguire wouldn’t move to us and then he eventually did.
Wind your neck in.
Add up all those points they could/ should have lost and that's pretty much their entire lead on the PL. It's ridiculous.what needs to stop is people claiming anyone is being given offside due to the position of their hand ...
I’ve said for months offsides should favour the attacker. VAR has taken the rule too literally and has frankly fecked it up. It was to stop goal hanging not measure mm differences.firstly people clearly don't if they think players are being given offside by their hands, secondly one has nothing to do with the other, you are whining about offsides because they went for Liverpool had the same decisions gone against them you would likely be in here celebrating.
thirdly I at no point said Maguire wouldn't move I said we wouldn't lower our fee, which we didn't so wind your own neck in, you haven't got a clue
Can someone please confirm does the offside rule mention anything about benefiting the attacking player?
I always hear this from pundits and other fans but can’t see how this is true. Otherwise why would VAR rule a player offside for having their hand beyond the last defender?
I think it should come down to the attackers feet are beyond the last defender, with linesman only waving offside when it’s obvious. It’s worked well in the World Cup when there were no English officials. Then the officials from the ‘best league in the world’ can’t do something so basic when it has been tested.
Why do you claim to know the offside rule when your above post shows otherwise?Why do you keep arguing with anyone about offsides? We know the offside rule but it’s shit under VAR and needs changing.
You were the same one that posted for weeks that Maguire wouldn’t move to us and then he eventually did.
Wind your neck in.
You found a post from months ago. I know the basics of the offside rule. At the time I wrote the message pundits were saying the rule favoured the attacker, hence I asked the question.Why do you claim to know the offside rule when your above post shows otherwise?
I'm ok with VAR making a good judgement call based on all the facts available in the footage.so you're ok with VAR guessing so long as it goes against Liverpool?
possibly, but I assume one of the incidents mentioned earlier was the penalty against Leicester at Anfield, that was given by the ref not VAR so they still would have got the penalty without it, the hand ball against City would have stood without VAR, assistant refs have been told not to flag when its close as they can check with VAR so we don't know how many of those would have been flagged by a guessing assistant previously, so it's not quite as clear cut as it looksAdd up all those points they could/ should have lost and that's pretty much their entire lead on the PL. It's ridiculous.
Just in here clearly being a wumfirstly people clearly don't if they think players are being given offside by their hands, secondly one has nothing to do with the other, you are whining about offsides because they went for Liverpool had the same decisions gone against them you would likely be in here celebrating.
thirdly I at no point said Maguire wouldn't move I said we wouldn't lower our fee, which we didn't so wind your own neck in, you haven't got a clue
what it should do and what it currently does are different, I agree the emphasis needs to be changed but the FA and PL aren't allowed to change that themselves, that is down to IFAB, of which the FA is a memberI’ve said for months offsides should favour the attacker. VAR has taken the rule too literally and has frankly fecked it up. It was to stop goal hanging not measure mm differences.
I stand by they are using poor quality cameras to measure offsides by a line that usually doesn’t look parallel to the pitch. The whole system on offsides is crap.
