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I'll let you know when I reach hell.
I always come here to read about buy out news and find 12+ pages of Wumminator, best just to avoid anything that's not a tweet.
Oh yeah double standards will be at play now,particularly with the likes of Liew,this guy and scouse lover Lewis so siege mentality time.If only they were crying this much when City and Newcastle were bought too.
If there is one thing I can't stand even more than a totalitarian reign, it's double standard.
Siege mentality was Fergie and Mourinho's speciality.
Owners come and go, it’s irrelevant who owns the club when it comes supporting it. I’m pro Qatar, and never will ask people who are against them owning the club to stop supporting.
@Wumminator You're trying to be slick again with this comment playing the victim.
You belittled me as supporter of this club just because I'm not from Manchester. There's no coming back from that. It's a disgusting attitude to be shown to your fellow United fan and you should be ashamed of yourself.
In my book this is to cross a line.
If I was from Qatar or that region and if I was a Muslim I would be extremely offended by comments like this.
Wumminator has every right to be upset or disappointed and to defend his/her moral beliefs but it could have been done in a better and more appropriate way.
Participating in an online brawl is useless and fruitless. The ignore button is there for a reason. Use it brother and find peace.@Wumminator You're trying to be slick again with this comment playing the victim.
You belittled me as supporter of this club just because I'm not from Manchester. There's no coming back from that. It's a disgusting attitude to be shown to your fellow United fan and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I'm patiently waiting for the next cycle of 2-3 pages of calm takeover discussion, all too fleeting before then descending into a 20-page trainwreck.
Get over yourself, FFS@Wumminator You're trying to be slick again with this comment playing the victim.
You belittled me as supporter of this club just because I'm not from Manchester. There's no coming back from that. It's a disgusting attitude to be shown to your fellow United fan and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Not gonna lie it does feel like sometimes there's a double standard for wumminator. He's had a lot of shockers in this thread alone - generalizing people from ME, baiting people to get angry, arguing and that is on top of wumming in other threads, sometimes he does it blatantly to get reactions (key point, why is this allowed?) but he never seems to get warning points? surely wumming is frowned upon in this forum? there's a point where it stops being funny. I think if other poster did it they would have gotten warning points because some have received them for a lot less.
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If we're hell bent on calling Jassims bid the "Qatar" bid then isn't it fair to then stop calling the other one SJR's bid when it's infact INEOS bidding?
As it stands it's officially Sheikh Jassim Vs INEOS despite the fact we're sure it's a state backed bid.
As it stands it's officially Sheikh Jassim Vs INEOS despite the fact we're sure it's a state backed bid.
It is such a stupid argument. We have US owners, how much evil and death have they brought to the world? Or the investment banks that lend that money?
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
American and british, even some of the lefty british media were advocating the war on Iraq. I have zero respect to those two countries media. They were dancing to the tone of war that ruined the lives of millions.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211203-uks-new-gas-saviour-during-supply-crunch-is-qatar/
"The Gulf state already has $50 billion of investments in Britain and delivers 90 per cent of Britain's imports of liquefied natural gas, according to Qatar's Ministry of Energy. According to a report published by Financial Times, last month, Downing Street initiated LNG diplomacy talks with their Qatari counterparts on diverting four energy tankers to Britain."
Kudos to those principled people who want to boycott United if a Qatari/Qatar are successful in an ethical/principled stance. I think the boycott should also extend to using electricity and gas in their homes.
"The Gulf state already has $50 billion of investments in Britain and delivers 90 per cent of Britain's imports of liquefied natural gas, according to Qatar's Ministry of Energy. According to a report published by Financial Times, last month, Downing Street initiated LNG diplomacy talks with their Qatari counterparts on diverting four energy tankers to Britain."
Kudos to those principled people who want to boycott United if a Qatari/Qatar are successful in an ethical/principled stance. I think the boycott should also extend to using electricity and gas in their homes.
superior supporters don't need electricity and gas.
If you watched it and can't understand it, then you also will not understand a simple answer. Which is fine.
Thing is devilish we all are hypocrites it's just matter of scale .
Thats true. But some, more than others who are willing to show this lack of self-awareness in plain sight.
All the media folk saying - “Manchester United as an institution will fall if Qatar buys the club” - are being facetious. Everyone loves Roman right? Turns out he was an oligarch who’s buddies with Putin, who by the way enjoys murdering Ukrainians. Now I know it’s not that simple… and same is the case with any views on the PCness of Qatar. I have family who live there - we are not Muslims, but we do not feel as though an overlord state is running every inch of their lives drenched in propaganda of homophobia and forced labour. It is true that the inherent nature of the culture and the religion might have something to do with it but that is the world and peoples across it are different. It’s also true that people died making those stadiums, and it’s horrendous. But if we were to take a country’s human rights record and apply that to its citizens many European nations will fail the test.
The West had time to reform when they were the overlords. Many of the owners who held early ownership of popular American sports teams - some even today - explicitly believe that black people are inferior. In those days, some were even accepted! A blind eye turned. Society was not ready for change.
Morality of ownership is not black and white. There’s blood in every country’s hands. You ask certain nations in the world what they think of America and I mean normal folk who live in autocratic states who’ve gone to war with America and they’ll tell you of the Drone strikes that killed their family. These are crude and crass examples but there is truth in it and the nuances are far more complex.
The West had time to reform when they were the overlords. Many of the owners who held early ownership of popular American sports teams - some even today - explicitly believe that black people are inferior. In those days, some were even accepted! A blind eye turned. Society was not ready for change.
Morality of ownership is not black and white. There’s blood in every country’s hands. You ask certain nations in the world what they think of America and I mean normal folk who live in autocratic states who’ve gone to war with America and they’ll tell you of the Drone strikes that killed their family. These are crude and crass examples but there is truth in it and the nuances are far more complex.
Its hilarious to see the citizens of a country who became rich by literally colonising/ruin half the world and is now the hot bed of ME investors and oligarchs pointing the finger at Qatar 'corruption'. Its the same country who keep voting to the thieving Tory Party ie the party of the tax evaders again and again. I wonder what would happen to the UK economy if these demonised ME/oligarchs had to pull all their investments out of the UK and these countries refuse to sell anything to the UK.
But hey each for his own. At least we're all genuine United fans who love the club. Imagine if we were some moralist journalist whose teaching us morals while working for a Russian Oligarch and a ME investor close to the Saudi family.
So according to Kaveh the Qatari delegates where focusing quite s bit on our youth team and women's team and want to invest heavily in to them as well.
All very good signs. Invest in the youth and facilities and let the club use its own revenue to buy players.
All very good signs. Invest in the youth and facilities and let the club use its own revenue to buy players.
The thing is that in the West there is a time bar to crimes against humanity. Slavery... too long ago that its doesn't count. Even Jim Crow's law which was within a generation ago has been conveniently swept under the rug. An illegal war, just 20 years ago doesn't even count in any discussion of morality any more. Happened before many were born.
Time bar = whataboutism here.
is this literally you posting a load of horrendous anti Islamic messages and explaining why comparing this with the western powers is nonsense?
Well, if you're going to claim to do something, do it. Before the INEOS takeover, Nice were more competitive towards winning the league than they have been post the takeover. Surely, they should have progressed in their pursuit of PSG, and not regressed?It's been three and a bit years,
I get fans want instant gratification, but that really isn't possible!
I'd say Nice are now on the right path with steady progress being made.
Not really sure I understand the greenwashing element, as INEOs are already introducing several aspects which reduce their environmental impact.
What do they have to gain in terms of greenwashing from owning a football club where football is already under scrutiny for being carbon heavy and having a detrimental impact on the environment?
Again, of you'd actually read my post you'd see I stipulated every bid is from a business person.
I stated: All bids are from business people, people that will want to make money from this venture.
Please read properly next time.
A quick simple search on Google will show you why Greenwashing is important to INEOS. Not open and honest as they claim to be.
Yes, so, if the bid is from businessmen, that also applies to SJR. Don't make it sound as though it's only Jassim that line is exclusive, too.
Read all your post clearly this time, did I? Haha.
And then we have a mod reacting to his post with a laughing emoji
What's exactly is wrong in all I said Oh superior one?
True
Basically, people who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
Unless you're part of the Aryan race version of Manchester United supporters of course...
No member of the American (or any Western Government) is currently trying to buy Manchester United. If they were and trying to use it to cleanse their image, most (if not all) would be against it. This is ultimately what we're talking about here.
The various "wars on Terror" have been horrendous and most of the people who were involved in the Iraq war should be in prison for life. As I say though, they aren't currently trying to buy MUFC. In the context of this debate, its pointless bringing it up.
Wider point of order. People who don't want Qatar don't all want Ratcliffe/INEOS.Well, if you're going to claim to do something, do it. Before the INEOS takeover, Nice were more competitive towards winning the league than they have been post the takeover. Surely, they should have progressed in their pursuit of PSG, and not regressed?
A quick simple search on Google will show you why Greenwashing is important to INEOS. Not open and honest as they claim to be.
Yes, so, if the bid is from businessmen, that also applies to SJR. Don't make it sound as though it's only Jassim that line is exclusive, too.
Read all your post clearly this time, did I? Haha.
You can be critical of them both. The twerking for either party is rather undignified.
These countries has a finger in everything from hotels right to the media. They have political parties in their pockets, they supply the UK with things it can't live without (electricity and gas) and they bought the media which is far more influential then a football club. The UK/US arm these regimes to remain in place. So really what's so special in them buying football clubs? Its not as if they can't be forced to sell if the tide turns against them.
So what do these people want exactly? Do they want Elliott? Do they want the Glazers to remain? Do they want Pope Francis to buy the club? Oh wait, the Vatican is also a state
Poor Wumminator being provoked and all..
No, Manchester United is a self sufficient club, one of the very few, the club generated top 3 revenues every year without any problems, our handicap was the Glazers Ownership which saddled the club with a huge debt from their leveraged buyout debt plus them taking dividends, had the Glazers not owned us we wouldn't need huge investment to re-build the ailing infrastructure .
@Wumminator stop your grandstanding and behaving in an ostentatious manner by trying to attract favourable attention. Going by your posts you are intelligent enough to better present your opposition to the purchase.
I understand people have opinions on ownership but to call Qatar a murderous nation is going too far and uncalled. I can bring up many instances where far more atrocities have been committed by the very nation in which Manchester is based. Going onto the LGBTQ question and based on Abu Dhabi and Qatar owning City and PSG they both have thriving ladies' teams and from my understanding, there are no rules barring work recruitment or entry into the stadiums for any such groups.
The simple fact is the future owners will need to work within the framework of UK laws in all aspects of the governance of the club.
I understand people have opinions on ownership but to call Qatar a murderous nation is going too far and uncalled. I can bring up many instances where far more atrocities have been committed by the very nation in which Manchester is based. Going onto the LGBTQ question and based on Abu Dhabi and Qatar owning City and PSG they both have thriving ladies' teams and from my understanding, there are no rules barring work recruitment or entry into the stadiums for any such groups.
The simple fact is the future owners will need to work within the framework of UK laws in all aspects of the governance of the club.