[RedDevilCanuck]

Exit is not on him.

But he is not good and why does he ALWAYS aimlessly head the ball when he receives it in midfield. He can take it down or head it accurately easily.

These things matter. Just getting a head on a ball is Championship level.

He is being played to keep his value high for a Newcastle sale this summer. He will do well there too.

This is the only explanation.

 

[DickDastardly]

He's not bad, and many are looking to him as the problem, but he wasn't today. The biggest case from him was a moment where he stepped out of the defence and two Atletico players got behind him and ended up confusing themselves, so he got lucky.

However, many are seemingly looking to him as the biggest problem.
I guess he's synonymous with our team at the moment. Overpaid for very average and limited players. Making him captain has put even more emphasis on him.

He's a decent defender. He's not awful, but he's not good either. He has severe mistakes in him, and would be starter for a midtable team. That's it, mid table. He is not anywhere near the level of a CL winning club player, nor Manchester United, who are trying to win trophies and failing dismally.

He has unwillingly become a representative of the club's failures in recent times. So, to an extent, he has become a scapegoat. He's become a scapegoat by the decision makers who signed him and immediately promoted him to captain of the club, which he has not earned nor shown to be anywhere near their level.

However, to throw hatred at him for all our failures is just ludicrous.

Why though?

He's the face of team. He's the reason we're shite.

He's our downfall.

He embodies failure.

You could put his face in the dictionary right next to "failure" and you would be spot on.

He's so bad, it's not actually funny anymore.

 

[Manncunian]

Awful player.

Even worse captain.

You could forgive him being one of the above, if the opposite was true for the other.

Stop defending the indefensible. He’s a lost cause now.

 

[Alejandro Angel]

You understand that he has to do that because we don't have a proper DM right? We have defense and a bunch of #8's who are so out of position Harry has to chase a striker that far as there's nobody to switch off with

Enough, yes other players make mistakes and did tonite but he had been in really poor form. He is not being used in his best position in a back three with a low block and a defensive screen infront of him. He is the captain of Man utd he gets abuse because he is not good enough, his positioning is shocking, his touch is poor he takes several touches and telegraph's where he is going to pass. He is a complete hospital pass merchant and we need a better leader. We don't need a person who has too have excuses, he needs a better partner (he got that in Varane has he got any better) then he needs a better defensive yes we all agree but he won't get any better.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

His armband was massive though wasn't it? CAPTAIN!!

 

[Manny]

Doesn't have composure or class for this level. He's shown it before.

Its panic stations as soon as he feels slightly uncomfortable.

 

[Lentwood]

he’s right. Maguire is the face of this season. Their goal opportunity came from him trying to pressure griezmann.Which he never does properly. Don’t know who’s worse though him or Rashford

This is just 100% wrong though, on every level. You can't argue with it, it's like me popping up and going 'my car runs on jam' or 'the moon is made of cheese'. It's just so wrong, you don't even know where to start.

The trouble is, I remember when this forum was well-policed and it was largely veteran members, people who actually go to games, people who actually play football. People didn't always agree, but arguments were presented logically and there was a general base level of understanding. Since it opened up and became more accessible to anybody, there are 10 idiot opinions shouting down anything and everything else.

All of the reasonable, nuanced discussion has been lost and it now the threads just resemble the comments under your average Twitter post.

If you watched that game tonight and concluded Maguire was the reason we lost/didn't win, I think you ought to take up snooker or darts or skittles or anything else.

 

[Anustart89]

You understand that he has to do that because we don't have a proper DM right? We have defense and a bunch of #8's who are so out of position Harry has to chase a striker that far as there's nobody to switch off with

That’s just plain false. What’s the danger if a striker is able to make a pass with his back to our goal 45 yards away from it without Maguire pressing? He never successfully pressures the player into making a bad pass, so is that pass back into midfield so dangerous that it’s worth repeatedly abandoning the defensive shape to pressure that pass (unsuccessfully, mind you)? He doesn’t have to switch off, since a player 45 yards from goal with his back towards our goal presents less of a danger than a huge hole in the middle of the defence.

Both the goals that Atletici scored tonight (the offside one too) came immediately after Maguire went out of his way to leave the back four, abandon the defensive shape and put pressure on a guy far away from our goal who was able to make his pass anyway. Is it a coincidence that we look like a mess at the back every time he does it and concede goals as a result? And if it’s not a coincidence, why persist with it if it leads to danger at the back?

Is Maguire’s desire to be proactive more important than the rest of the team’s defensive organisation? Because that’s the only conclusion I can draw from people who are of the opinion that Maguire should keep doing that move. Given how often that particular piece of defending leads to Maguire-shaped holes in the defence that the rest of the team can’t adapt to quick enough you’d think that he should cut it out. It’s not like that move leads to any attacks either with him making interceptions and turnovers, so is the risk of a defensive disruption really worth it?

 

[DickDastardly]

If you watched that game tonight and concluded Maguire was the reason we lost/didn't win, I think you ought to take up snooker or darts or skittles or anything else.

He's the reason we lost every game we lost this season.

He's a walking failure.

And its plain to see.

You win the games before you walk out that tunnel.

We lose them.

 

[Suedesi]

Absolute donkey. Sick of the sight of him

 

[Stobzilla]

Carthorse.
A shite one at that.

 

[Reapersoul20]

He's not bad, and many are looking to him as the problem, but he wasn't today. The biggest case from him was a moment where he stepped out of the defence and two Atletico players got behind him and ended up confusing themselves, so he got lucky.

However, many are seemingly looking to him as the biggest problem.
I guess he's synonymous with our team at the moment. Overpaid for very average and limited players. Making him captain has put even more emphasis on him.

He's a decent defender. He's not awful, but he's not good either. He has severe mistakes in him, and would be starter for a midtable team. That's it, mid table. He is not anywhere near the level of a CL winning club player, nor Manchester United, who are trying to win trophies and failing dismally.

He has unwillingly become a representative of the club's failures in recent times. So, to an extent, he has become a scapegoat. He's become a scapegoat by the decision makers who signed him and immediately promoted him to captain of the club, which he has not earned nor shown to be anywhere near their level.

However, to throw hatred at him for all our failures is just ludicrous.

He is absolutely awful and needs to be gotten rid of. Jones is better. Smalling was better. He is the face of failure. Every time he receives the ball the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. He is so awkward on the ball. He is literally the worst purchase ever made in world football IMO.

 

[V.O.]

Exit is not on him.

But he is not good and why does he ALWAYS aimlessly head the ball when he receives it in midfield. He can take it down or head it accurately easily.

These things matter. Just getting a head on a ball is Championship level.

He is being played to keep his value high for a Newcastle sale this summer. He will do well there too.

This is the only explanation.

Him and Rashy having enough English press bluster around them to still be able to charge Newcastle a few quid for them is about our only hope at this stage.

 

[V.O.]

He is literally the worst purchase ever made in world football IMO.

If Chelsea hadn't bought the black Maguire to stick up front for even more, you might be right.

 

[Reapersoul20]

If Chelsea hadn't bought the black Maguire to stick up front for even more, you might be right.

Yeah, fair, a good contender. At least Lukaku could probably be re-sold to Italy for £40-50mill though. Nobody would touch Maguire.

 

[Strats]

Bojan Djordjic wanted to leave the studio when Maguire was brought up after the spurs game but decided to stay and deliver a huge rant on him. Calling him fridge etc

Shame his network doesn’t have CL rights anymore since we’d have clips of Bojan tearing the studio apart by now.

I was fuming to see Maguire start today , you just knew he’d in some way have a big part in us conceding tonight

 

[Anustart89]

I just can’t understand how people defend him charging up the field when so many goals and goalscoring chances immediately follow upon that action. Both atletico’s goals tonight (offside one included) came after Maguire unsuccessfully charged up the pitch, left the defence and attempted to put pressure on a player who wasn’t even slightly impeded in passing the ball.

Regardless of whether you think that the rest of the team should be able to adapt to Maguire randomly leaving the defence, it’s obvious that him leaving his designated area causes problems for the team and that should really be the end of the discussion as to whether he should keep doing it or not. Maguire’s desire to play the way he wants should not be more important than the performance of the team.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Oh dear. Out of everything that he did wrong today, it’s the aimless headers into the opposition half when he has time to bring the ball down. Only started doing it this season. Pisses me off no end.

 

[Born2Lose]

He's so laborious and clumsy, shouldn't be anywhere near the team on current performances, but then he's not the only one.

 

[BlahRules]

I just can’t understand how people defend him charging up the field when so many goals and goalscoring chances immediately follow upon that action. Both atletico’s goals tonight (offside one included) came after Maguire unsuccessfully charged up the pitch, left the defence and attempted to put pressure on a player who wasn’t even slightly impeded in passing the ball.

Regardless of whether you think that the rest of the team should be able to adapt to Maguire randomly leaving the defence, it’s obvious that him leaving his designated area causes problems for the team and that should really be the end of the discussion as to whether he should keep doing it or not. Maguire’s desire to play the way he wants should not be more important than the performance of the team.

He charges up because he does not have the agility, pace or capability to defend 1v1.

I have never seen such a shit player. Why is being played every game regardless of being the captain?

 

[Chief123]

That has to be a career low to be cheered off by your own fans. He is shit though.

 

[Oranges038]

Him getting sucked into midfield and the ball going around him happens too often for it not to be a deliberate ploy to suck him out. He clearly doesn't have the brains to just hold his position and not get pulled out.

It clearly something that is targeted at him, Athletico did it at least 2 times and got 2 goals from it tonight.

 

[goptun]

It's startling how little confidence the captain of Man Utd has. It's so, so wrong. He looks panic-stricken whenever the ball progresses towards his area of the pitch and whenever he's under the slightest bit of pressure. Desperately need to get rid of him.

 

[big rons sovereign]

Not watched him in the flesh before.
He's absolutely shit.
No pro footballer should be that poor at doing the basics, regardless of pricetag, but definitely not a premier League defender and especially not Manchester United captain.
Utter utter shite.

 

[Hugh Jass]

As the poster above says, it is most frustrating that he cannot control the ball or head it to one of our players, instead of aimlessly heading it to an opposition player.

 

[Castia]

Needs stripping of the captaincy and making a squad player he’s just not good enough I don’t care what price we paid.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

He just makes everything so frantic.

There is zero calmness to his game.

 

[Irwin99]

The scapegoating never stops. Im hearing Goldbridge blaming Maguire now on TheUNitedStand and the muppets here are repeating whatever he says

I don't like it and it's not nice to see but he does have some serious criticism that could be thrown at him (Varane too by the way). Varane did it a few weeks ago, and Maguire tonight: if you're gonna make that move to intercept high up then you have to get it right otherwise you're in big trouble. I mean, Dalot was looking round almost to say 'Help me, I don't know who to pick up" as the entire defence was thrown into chaos.

Also, that moment when he turned twice in the second half to try and lose the pressing player in his own half was just so awkward to see. He turns so slowly, my god!!!

I just hate the circus surrounding him at the moment and I hate seeing him get such stick but i also kinda don't like seeing him start anymore. Leicester absolutely took us to the cleaners with that price (not his fault) and making him captain after a few months was just ridiculous (again, not his fault).

 

[Andrew7582]

Even as a squad player there's not much point in keeping him around, he is far too immobile and that's always going to be a problem. Your third choice centre back still needs to have the right set of attributes for the way you want to play.

 

[thegregster]

He should never have played again after the mistakes v Watford and Leicester. He just isn't good enough. But no doubt he will be indulged along with a load of others for a few more years.

 

[Heinzesight]

I thought he was excellent for us when he first arrived, had a decent season last year until his pre-Europa final injury but now he just looks appalling in every department. The anxiety around the stands when he’s on the ball is mental.

 

[DickDastardly]

He's a serial loser.

He's never won a game that matters in his life.

And that's in a TEAM sport!!! Imagine being so fecking bad, you lose every single game that matters, despite the other 10 players on your team.

That's how bad Harry fecking Maguire is.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

He's the reason we lost every game we lost this season.

He's a walking failure.

And its plain to see.

You win the games before you walk out that tunnel.

We lose them.

I agree 100%. It's lost before the game. You can just feel it.

 

[Paxi]

That’s just plain false. What’s the danger if a striker is able to make a pass with his back to our goal 45 yards away from it without Maguire pressing? He never successfully pressures the player into making a bad pass, so is that pass back into midfield so dangerous that it’s worth repeatedly abandoning the defensive shape to pressure that pass (unsuccessfully, mind you)? He doesn’t have to switch off, since a player 45 yards from goal with his back towards our goal presents less of a danger than a huge hole in the middle of the defence.

Both the goals that Atletici scored tonight (the offside one too) came immediately after Maguire went out of his way to leave the back four, abandon the defensive shape and put pressure on a guy far away from our goal who was able to make his pass anyway. Is it a coincidence that we look like a mess at the back every time he does it and concede goals as a result? And if it’s not a coincidence, why persist with it if it leads to danger at the back?

Is Maguire’s desire to be proactive more important than the rest of the team’s defensive organisation? Because that’s the only conclusion I can draw from people who are of the opinion that Maguire should keep doing that move. Given how often that particular piece of defending leads to Maguire-shaped holes in the defence that the rest of the team can’t adapt to quick enough you’d think that he should cut it out. It’s not like that move leads to any attacks either with him making interceptions and turnovers, so is the risk of a defensive disruption really worth it?

There’s no point in talking to him. He was saying Maguire was right to go and pressure Werghorst vs Burnley. Clueless really.

 

[V.O.]

There’s no point in talking to him. He was saying Maguire was right to go and pressure Werghorst vs Burnley. Clueless really.

Which is great when you consider that playing against a big shithouse striker is the one fecking thing he's supposed to actually be good for.

 

[Anustart89]

Him getting sucked into midfield and the ball going around him happens too often for it not to be a deliberate ploy to suck him out. He clearly doesn't have the brains to just hold his position and not get pulled out.

It clearly something that is targeted at him, Athletico did it at least 2 times and got 2 goals from it tonight.

Kane did it at least 3-4 times in the game against spurs as well. So easy and completely disrupts the entire shape and then we go around blaming Elanga, Dalot and the man on the moon for not adapting on the fly instead of blaming the root cause.

 

[VidaRed]

Giving him the captains armband was a MASSIVE mistake.

Now he cannot be dropped, how can you drop the captain without taking him armband away ?

If you take his armband away its going to increase toxicity in the dressing room.

Best solution is cut losses and to sell him for half his price to newcastle.

 

[RedDevil250]

Somebody said it earlier

We wanted him to be our vvd
Instead he's our lovren

Harsh on Lovren. He was better at Liverpool than this shite.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Nothing more to say or analyze honestly, legitimately hate him as a player and would be happy to give him away. Complete loser of a player and an embarrassment of a captain.

 

[A-man]

That’s just plain false. What’s the danger if a striker is able to make a pass with his back to our goal 45 yards away from it without Maguire pressing? He never successfully pressures the player into making a bad pass, so is that pass back into midfield so dangerous that it’s worth repeatedly abandoning the defensive shape to pressure that pass (unsuccessfully, mind you)? He doesn’t have to switch off, since a player 45 yards from goal with his back towards our goal presents less of a danger than a huge hole in the middle of the defence.

Both the goals that Atletici scored tonight (the offside one too) came immediately after Maguire went out of his way to leave the back four, abandon the defensive shape and put pressure on a guy far away from our goal who was able to make his pass anyway. Is it a coincidence that we look like a mess at the back every time he does it and concede goals as a result? And if it’s not a coincidence, why persist with it if it leads to danger at the back?

Is Maguire’s desire to be proactive more important than the rest of the team’s defensive organisation? Because that’s the only conclusion I can draw from people who are of the opinion that Maguire should keep doing that move. Given how often that particular piece of defending leads to Maguire-shaped holes in the defence that the rest of the team can’t adapt to quick enough you’d think that he should cut it out. It’s not like that move leads to any attacks either with him making interceptions and turnovers, so is the risk of a defensive disruption really worth it?

Fully agree: many of the chances we concede, tonight and before, happen when Maguire leaves his position to unsuccessfully put pressure on a player. He leaves a gaping hole behind. And it doesn’t help that him and Varane have zero chemistry between them.