Getting removed from the England squad had to happen really. He'll be back.
Be interesting to see what Man United do.
Be interesting to see what Man United do.
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There you go. As I said, you can morally be in the right and/or it can be a stitch up, but you still cannot expect commercial organisations to let their reputation be tarnished on your behalf. It’s going to be real difficult for him to keep the United captaincy.Tweet
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Safest way for him is to avoid GreeceIn practice, It means that Maguire must behave really nicely when he´s in Greece the next 3 years. If he does just the smallest thing, he will go to jail. After 3 years - and if Maguire during those 3 years has behaved like an angel (while in Greece, that is) - the charges will be dismissed.
Yeah, too much noise round him for this break plus Southgate is supposed to be zero tolerance on stuff like this.Getting removed from the England squad had to happen really. He'll be back.
Be interesting to see what Man United do.
Yep. Thought that was what he would do. He actually shouldn't have picked any City or United players.Southgate hung him out to dry with that today. Shouldn’t have included him in the first place and just said due to the ongoing situation it’s better if Harry sits these games out.
But if he was paying them off I assume he’d pay enough not to be found guilty and have his entire reputation destroyed?I dunno, United, Maguire himself?
Either way it's a total sham, I mean, it's nothing more than a punch up between drunks, it happens every weekend. If they bothered this much with every fight there'd be hundreds of Brits serving time in Mykonos.
At the end of the day it's their word against his.
It happened to me in this country, dodgy copper picked a fight with a couple of lads, got his ass kicked then picked my name off a list and pinned it on me.
I ended up in court charged with affray and assaulting a copper. The prick even stood there and lied about it.
I only got away because he had not a shred of evidence to prove it despite me not even being in the same town that night. That's how easy it is.
Maybe he didn't have enough money even on Manchester United wages. Greece has a big debt.But if he was paying them off I assume he’d pay enough not to be found guilty and have his entire reputation destroyed?
Neither of us can say what you just wrote, you don't know what they had prepared and in that type of cases it's generally just about bringing witnesses and using precedents. Also the way you are supposed to work as a jurist means that you will also have the precedents for upgraded or downgraded cases. There is nothing strange or fishy here, that's how things work in and around court.They downgraded the charges a couple of hours before trial, and so whatever they could have been preparing for in the previous days were not relevant and they had to battle completely different charges in 2 hours.
You don't start things with if when you decrete that something is fishy. And I don't know the procedure, so I'm not going to have an opinion on it.If they have requested certain evidence to be released to help their case and it hasn't, it could be seen as dodgy.
The timing’s certainly unfortunate.Southgate hung him out to dry with that today. Shouldn’t have included him in the first place and just said due to the ongoing situation it’s better if Harry sits these games out.
I don't think so. It makes sense for him to be withdrawn from the squad given the matches are next week.Ohh things have gotten interesting. His England career in doubt?
As others have said he should not have picked him. Now the papers will be all over it. Lad has enough to think about.I don't think so. It makes sense for him to be withdrawn from the squad given the matches are next week.
It will blow over eventually and he'll probably be in the next squad, I'd think.
Looking at what you write about when you answer a post about captain qualities and leadership, I understand that you don’t really know what such words normally refer to. You have an idea it might have to to with ‘being popular’, ‘part of the in group’, ‘being older’, ‘having won titles’, ‘being the best player’, and apart from that leadership seems like something vague and magical to you. Starting from there it’s a long way to go to explain my opinions. It’s more to do with things like how you in word or deed show and inspire team mentality in good and particularily in bad times, on the pitch, in the dressing room, in the training ground and outside of the football surroundings.Ashley Young was a terrible captain for us so i don't know what qualities you speak of. He was regularly our worst player and was quick to blame others. He might have been popular in the dressing room though so maybe thats the influence you speak of. I don't believe it's only nationality, but i think it plays a part.
Pogba is twice the leader and player Maguire will ever be and yes for the record i'd have him as captain of man united any day of the week. De gea has seniority and titles over maguire as well having been world class. When you say leadership and command what exactly do you mean? Is the fact that Maguire is generally fawned over by the English football press a factor in his good leadership? Is his decent defensive heading what makes him commanding? Please be specific what what Maguire offers as a captain and avoid using vague phrases like leadership and command.
We did not have many characters in the team, i've already admitted that but you're gonna have to tell me these magical qualities that are worth 10 million pounds apparently.
Or maybe they demanded a bribe and were told to piss off? That would explain an awful lot.But if he was paying them off I assume he’d pay enough not to be found guilty and have his entire reputation destroyed?
Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Artemis conspiring to make that happen, as we speak.The gods spoke.
Disagree, innocent until proving guilty so I don't see any issue including him. Given the verdict and charges I can now understand the decision to drop him. I think we should also remove the captaincy, hopefully he wins the appeal in the future but he certainly wasn't beyond reproach.Bit weird to include him, and then withdraw him. Especially in light of what seems a dodgy court case. Surely it would have been better for all to leave him out before all this was decided. Just say that it isn't the right time to play him and his head isn't in the right place? Fair enough he was found guilty but weird move to drop him considering the weird circumstances, if not to keep the press focus off him.
They would be all over it anyway, but agree that he shouldn't have included him. If it was huge couple of games maybe, but not for Nations League.As others have said he should not have picked him. Now the papers will be all over it. Lad has enough to think about.
It was a joke based on another news item from today about the British Armed Forces.Don’t the UK have the best/second best military in Europe? Not sure which it is relative to France.
I say notI'd say we should withdraw his captaincy and we should pull him out of any sponsorship adverts etc. Any fines etc should wait after the appeal.
He can rest for 21 months.For us it s better, he needs a rest
It's not a claim. It's well documented by multiple organizations, including Transparency International among others.Here is the thread: As I said, I admire and rate him as a player more than many on here.
If he is serious about representing OGS and his values and culture, he's an idiot for choosing this destination, and for being drunk on the town near gangsters who can goad and abuse his fame.
This is no longer ifs and buts. The incidents sound very plausible. He was very angry with the police for whatever reason, and then acted out. I believe the Greece police and the court. He was found guilty.
Only evidence you have is a claim that "Greece is corrupt". If the police were so corrupt, why didn't they accept the bribe? I find such claims quite xenophobic.
Ole is famous for standing up for his players, and I´d be really surprised if this will have any consequences at United. My money on Maguire being the captain also the coming season (unless he him suggests to pass it to someone else). I can´t see Ole wanting to punish him for this.Getting removed from the England squad had to happen really. He'll be back.
Be interesting to see what Man United do.
Won't have been his decision alone.Southgate is an idiot.
I’m not denying there are precedents; I’m saying that when you put everything together it doesn’t look great for integrity. You even said in France that if such a situation happens they have the right to delay and ask for more time. I would assume that’s a right; as in it cannot be rejected, and would be automatically granted. Such a request made by Maguire’s legal team was rejected. Therefore there’s no right for a defendant to do that in Greece; only to request it. Is that not strange to you?Neither of us can say what you just wrote, you don't know what they had prepared and in that type of cases it's generally just about bringing witnesses and using precedents. Also the way you are supposed to work as a jurist means that you will also have the precedents for upgraded or downgraded cases. There is nothing strange or fishy here, that's how things work in and around court.
I have already said that the UK is also a joke in this thread.. so well done.Oh nice generalisation for the whole nation. What about the foreigners who claimed that Maguire was indeed the aggressor? Perhaps, Maguire is an alcohol addict like all the English? Honestly, what a shitty alcoholic joke of a nation, cnuts. Maguire should perhaps get a trial in UK, like Assange. Is Greece having problems with corruption? Yes. Does this mean that everything and everyone is corrupt? No.
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I think they built the case but without the evidences shared early enough, they were basically building in the blind. If you have 3 witnesses out of nowhere that you could not find but somehow the police could find, it's most likely kind of hard to defend against.I'm not sure if I follow, he was arrested Thursday, his lawyers have been on the case since at least Friday, they had more than two hours to build their case and find witnesses. Now they may use the fact that the prosecution confirmed the charges and provided their own evidences yesterday but there is nothing special about it and there is nothing fishy about it either, it's fairly normal for that type of basic cases pretty much everywhere. If they want to appeal, they can and that's what they have done but without more elements I don't see where is the fishy part.
I would bet there will be a behind the scenes chat and Maguire will give up the captaincy "voluntarily".Ole is famous for standing up for his players, and I´d be really surprised if this will have any consequences at United. My money on Maguire being the captain also the coming season (unless he him suggests to pass it to someone else). I can´t see Ole wanting to punish him for this.