I'm not an LvG fan, never have been but I thought we would have faired better (slightly) than we have so far this season.It's amusing that generally the most pro-Van Gaal posters are the ones who were completely arrogant that we would make top 4. Almost suggests that they expected things to be going a lot better than they currently are.
I thought we would too and my point was a generalisation but at this stage I can't see us making top 4 at all. I think it's a lot more likely that Chelsea will finish above us.I'm not an LvG fan, never have been but I thought we would have faired better (slightly) than we have so far this season.
Wow just wow.. That's terrible. Villa and Swansea form.Since beating Watford, after which we went top of the league. We have picked up 7 points from 8 games.
Calamity.
Werent we all quite arrogant about making top 4 at the start of the season? Before a ball had been kicked, with all the signings we had made, how many people were worried we wouldnt at least equal last season's result?It's amusing that generally the most pro-Van Gaal posters are the ones who were completely arrogant that we would make top 4. Almost suggests that they expected things to be going a lot better than they currently are.
Spot onI'm now certain we won't be making top 4.
We'll do what we did with Moyes, do nothing and wait until the season is totally fecked and ruined and then sack him.
The club is ran by totally incompetent idiots.
WowSince beating Watford, after which we went top of the league. We have picked up 7 points from 8 games.
Calamity.
So what? The Board doesnt seem worried about football and result.A defeat to the scousers on Sunday could leave us in a pretty precarious position come the end of the weekend.
Well I know. It means feck all really.So what? The Board doesnt seem worried about football and result.
They were talking about the title . Didnt dare listen when some people said that the football we were playing would catch up with us.It's amusing that generally the most pro-Van Gaal posters are the ones who were completely arrogant that we would make top 4. Almost suggests that they expected things to be going a lot better than they currently are.
Maybe not 7th, but I honestly don't see us making 4th.he's killed the team. 7th maybe.
There is nothing optimistic to consider when you concede 3 goals to a team who are in the bottom 3 and who haven't scored in the last 4 games.Anyone would think we are the only team to have dropped points all season.. and remember we still have the traditional Arsenal "second half of season melt-down" and City's "we don't like playing when its cold" periods to come. I actually saw a couple of reasons for optimism yesterday - one of which was the general youthfulness of the team we put out with the only "senior" players starting being Rooney and Young. I reckon we will beat the scousers this weekend and things will look a whole lot brighter.
Both are no longer relevant to us this season.and remember we still have the traditional Arsenal "second half of season melt-down" and City's "we don't like playing when its cold" periods to come.
A win against Liverpool won't change anything. Even if we we smash them 3 or 4 nil. We're not changing. There will be no improvement under van Gaal no matter what.Anyone would think we are the only team to have dropped points all season.. and remember we still have the traditional Arsenal "second half of season melt-down" and City's "we don't like playing when its cold" periods to come. I actually saw a couple of reasons for optimism yesterday - one of which was the general youthfulness of the team we put out with the only "senior" players starting being Rooney and Young. I reckon we will beat the scousers this weekend and things will look a whole lot brighter.
I appreciate I am being a bit pedantic here but I think this is excessively gloomy. We tried something different last night, something a bit more adventurous, and it didnt work out. If we go on and do the same at the weekend (which I doubt we will, and in that sense I agree with the sentiment behind your post) and smash Liverpool 4-0, that WILL be evidence of change. A one off game doesnt prove anything - two games back to back doesnt constitute proof either, but it at least suggests the beginning of a trend. If we did that I would be looking at the Southampton game with a bit more optimism. I am talking fine margins of hope here, not booking a parade or anything, but a chink of light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps, at least.A win against Liverpool won't change anything. Even if we we smash them 3 or 4 nil. We're not changing. There will be no improvement under van Gaal no matter what.
I'm not going to defend our defensive performance last night, it was poor, but 2 of their goals were pretty lucky, especially with the last one's deflection, and Newcastle are over-due some luck in that department, they've been creating chances of late, just not finishing them, until last night. That said we were kinda lucky to get our pen and they were unlucky not to get theirs.There is nothing optimistic to consider when you concede 3 goals to a team who are in the bottom 3 and who haven't scored in the last 4 games.
And there's lots of games against average teams in that 8 as well.Since beating Watford, after which we went top of the league. We have picked up 7 points from 8 games.
Calamity.
Fair enough. Some will be positive others have resigned to defeat (in the sense that LvG is done and dusted). However, I have seen enough from this reign to know that one or two (or even six) good performances mean nothing. I will revert back to the City game, last season, where we may have held a slight hope of winning the league (just a tiny ray) and it proved to be nothing but a mistake. A run of 6 accidental wins. What seemed like a great foundation to build upon has not been seen since.I appreciate I am being a bit pedantic here but I think this is excessively gloomy. We tried something different last night, something a bit more adventurous, and it didnt work out. If we go on and do the same at the weekend (which I doubt we will, and in that sense I agree with the sentiment behind your post) and smash Liverpool 4-0, that WILL be evidence of change. A one off game doesnt prove anything - two games back to back doesnt constitute proof either, but it at least suggests the beginning of a trend. If we did that I would be looking at the Southampton game with a bit more optimism. I am talking fine margins of hope here, not booking a parade or anything, but a chink of light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps, at least.
I understand the mood of pessimism around here, I feel as desolate as the next person, but for me it is always worth clinging to any shred of hope that presents itself. It is easy to dismiss it, of course. It would feel all too similar to that little run of games at a similar point of last season, where we played well for a short run of games and then reverted to type. So yes, even if we smash Liverpool, it would probably end up being something like that again. But still. Allow yourself a bit of hope. Its good for the soul.
I can see exactly where you are coming from. And you are right, it is probably more a question of personal disposition than anything else.Fair enough. Some will be positive others have resigned to defeat (in the sense that LvG is done and dusted). However, I have seen enough from this reign to know that one or two (or even six) good performances mean nothing. I will revert back to the City game, last season, where we may have held a slight hope of winning the league (just a tiny ray) and it proved to be nothing but a mistake. A run of 6 accidental wins. What seemed like a great foundation to build upon has not been seen since.
In fact, if we win our next 5 games 4-0, I won't be overly chuffed knowing van Gaal will probably do something stupid in the next 10.
Leciester - 2ndAnd there's lots of games against average teams in that 8 as well.
In the current form league there is only Sunderland and Southampton with fewer points than us. That's based on the last 6 matches.Wow just wow.. That's terrible. Villa and Swansea form.
What does that say about VG? that managers with limited resources are tactically outsmarting VG, we factor in Moyes, we have had the 2 worst managers in decadesAnd there's lots of games against average teams in that 8 as well.
It's amusing that generally the most pro-Van Gaal posters are the ones who were completely arrogant that we would make top 4. Almost suggests that they expected things to be going a lot better than they currently are.
TBF I dont think the majority of us saw how bad his tenure would turn out. I thought he would always keep us competing for the top 4 at least.I'm not an LvG fan, never have been but I thought we would have faired better (slightly) than we have so far this season.
Then the issue is who is hiring these managers. Our board and chairman have zero clue about football.What does that say about VG? that managers with limited resources are tactically outsmarting VG, we factor in Moyes, we have had the 2 worst managers in decades
Sums up how I feel to be honest. That spell last year looked like it might be the start of us clicking into gear - but clearly it wasn't. "Accidental" is the way I would describe it - occasioning by chance across something that worked - for a while.Fair enough. Some will be positive others have resigned to defeat (in the sense that LvG is done and dusted). However, I have seen enough from this reign to know that one or two (or even six) good performances mean nothing. I will revert back to the City game, last season, where we may have held a slight hope of winning the league (just a tiny ray) and it proved to be nothing but a mistake. A run of 6 accidental wins. What seemed like a great foundation to build upon has not been seen since.
In fact, if we win our next 5 games 4-0, I won't be overly chuffed knowing van Gaal will probably do something stupid in the next 10.
Agreed. Taking the same approach and winning by a convincing scoreline would at least suggest that the coaches are finding a way of maintaining the attacking intention whilst being more secure at the back. Yeah, it would need to happen over a much longer period to signify a 'change' but it has to start somewhere...I appreciate I am being a bit pedantic here but I think this is excessively gloomy. We tried something different last night, something a bit more adventurous, and it didnt work out. If we go on and do the same at the weekend (which I doubt we will, and in that sense I agree with the sentiment behind your post) and smash Liverpool 4-0, that WILL be evidence of change. A one off game doesnt prove anything - two games back to back doesnt constitute proof either, but it at least suggests the beginning of a trend. If we did that I would be looking at the Southampton game with a bit more optimism. I am talking fine margins of hope here, not booking a parade or anything, but a chink of light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps, at least.
I understand the mood of pessimism around here, I feel as desolate as the next person, but for me it is always worth clinging to any shred of hope that presents itself. It is easy to dismiss it, of course. It would feel all too similar to that little run of games at a similar point of last season, where we played well for a short run of games and then reverted to type. So yes, even if we smash Liverpool, it would probably end up being something like that again. But still. Allow yourself a bit of hope. Its good for the soul.
There is very little I am really, really sure about at the moment, when it comes to football. But if I have a conviction about anything, it is that we will revert to type on Sunday. I imagine Van Gaal would rank last night as one of our worst performances under his management.Agreed. Taking the same approach and winning by a convincing scoreline would at least suggest that the coaches are finding a way of maintaining the attacking intention whilst being more secure at the back. Yeah, it would need to happen over a much longer period to signify a 'change' but it has to start somewhere...
I am, however, utterly convinced we'll return to boredom on the weekend. Last night was a chance to be risky against a poor team and it highlighted how poor we are when we open up.
He probably thinks if we follow how Real Madrid do things, we can be just has successful, the guy is a clown. Or a better saying its like his dad was so stupid, he give the keys to the Ferrari to his kid, which woodward is the latter, a kid driving a Ferrari.Then the issue is who is hiring these managers. Our board and chairman have zero clue about football.
Ed acts like a fat kid in a candy shop during the transfer window...tossing money at players who have zero wish to play for us when we could be buying players like Griezmann and Aubameyang who have release clauses and would take us to the next level.
LVG tactically outsmarts himself........ last night aside, we have been completely toothless in attack due to LVGs safety first policy. We can expect a return to the boring shit now for the next few months. Thats if he doesn't get sacked, which he should have done a long time ago.......What does that say about VG? that managers with limited resources are tactically outsmarting VG, we factor in Moyes, we have had the 2 worst managers in decades
