RedDevil@84
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SAF shielded us from the incompetency at the board level. And Woodward coming in when SAF was going out was the worst thing that happened to the club.
I think Liverpool fans thought exactly the same when they dominated in the 80's.Honestly I have no problems struggling a bit. It will feel that much nicer when we move forward again.
Yup. But we had warning signs with the Glazers even before. Their and their minion's clutch only strengthenED after Gill and Fergie moved on. At first I thought Moyes was the issue. I started to shift my concern after LVG and the Disneyland comments. And then firmly confirmed after the way Jose was managed.SAF shielded us from the incompetency at the board level. And Woodward coming in when SAF was going out was the worst thing that happened to the club.
Agree with the lot, especially the bolded.I feel this gets overlooked a lot. How many games in that 2013 season were won by a Carrick long ball over the top to RVP? We (your closest competitors) also totally imploded that season, our signings were Rodwell and Sinclair ffs. Combined with teams giving us a lot more respect, we never really learnt to break down teams that parked the bus and just fell away really quite early on.
But for so long after Moyes was employed all we heard was, "this was a title winning squad".
As it is however, I never thought your decline would last this long. You've been Unlucky having City and Liverpool be the best they've been in year, but the fact you haven't even managed to put together a coherent style yet is shocking. I really thought Mourinho would be able to grind you together a real title push, ala Chelsea and was surprised he was sacked for Ole.
I don't think Sir Alex is that narcissistic. Wasn't it widely reported that hae had dinner with Pep, we approached Klopp and he definitely had a conversation with Jose who was on the charm offensiveMaybe, he picked Moyes because he wanted the club to fail after he left. He could have picked anyone but he picked Moyes? So, now everyone remembers his tenure as the golden era.
I'm trying to get my head around the fact that he was here 26 years but his time breached 4 decades.I was thinking top 4 for Moyes with a squad that just won the league by 11 points and scoring 86 goals but at the same time deep down I knew the club being run by someone like Fergie for 26 years there would be a huge chasm left and probably a long transition.
Fergie's time actually breached 4 decades from the 80s to the 2010s.
If you did't found it yet, 80s, 90s, 2000s and 2010s.I'm trying to get my head around the fact that he was here 26 years but his time breached 4 decades.
Maths is not my strongest suit.
I know! But 2013-1986 = 27 years. But his United time spanned 4 decades. Just trying to get my head around that.If you did't found it yet, 80s, 90s, 2000s and 2010s.
Ah yeah, it's an incredibly long time, I don't think people realize that consequences of that type of tenure when the man was the alpha and omega at the club, you virtually lose everything in a second when he leaves.I know! But 2013-1986 = 27 years. But his United time spanned 4 decades. Just trying to get my head around that.
Because Moyes banned chips in the canteen and the players downed tools.At the time I fully expected a title challenge under Moyes, I mean we were league champions, had RVP up front, Carrick in midfield, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and De Gea in the back 5 I mean why would there be such a drop off?
At the very least...But how many fans feared it would be as bad as it has been, and how many thought all these years later post SAF, we would be as bad as we are now?.
I mean taking into account how big we are, the fanbase, the deals, the sheer money generated, should we really of dropped as much as we have post SAF?. Was he really 'That damn good' that its going to take us a decade to recover?.
I think all the last few years have proven to us is just how good SAF really was, if we ever needed any 'proof'.
They aren't as good as you are making them out to be. None of them have won the treble, for example...or won the league 3 times in a row, as we did. Had SAF been here, I have absolutely no doubt, we'd be finishing top 3 in each of the last 6 seasons.It had to be expected but what caught me off guard was the massive improvements from our rivals (city and liverpool). Even at our peak we were never so dominant.
That first summer was clearly the worst. I don't think any other manager in professional football could have done worse, unless specifically aiming for sabotage.It actually makes me shudder a bit when you look at how much money we have spent post SAF, then look at how bad our squad currently is. I also dont think we could of done a worse job than we have post SAF.
I don't like this '**** of SAF' stuff because it ignores a few important facts about his time at United/his role in our current predicament but perhaps more importantly, it suggests one man was responsible for our previous successes and therefore we could find another 'one man' who could get us out of this mess - which I strongly disagree with.But how many fans feared it would be as bad as it has been, and how many thought all these years later post SAF, we would be as bad as we are now?.
I mean taking into account how big we are, the fanbase, the deals, the sheer money generated, should we really of dropped as much as we have post SAF?. Was he really 'That damn good' that its going to take us a decade to recover?.
I think all the last few years have proven to us is just how good SAF really was, if we ever needed any 'proof'.
We never had a plan in place that was the main issue.All we had to do that summer was hire Mourinho, hire Luis campos and sign Thiago. We would still be at the top now.
And the last one might be the biggest. (mistake)We never had a plan in place that was the main issue.
The board and Gill knew that SAF was going to step down sooner than later, pretty sure most fans thought there was some kind of a plan in place to continue the club’s success after SAF was going to retire, turns out there wasn’t one.
By the time we tried for Pep and Jose they already gave their word to other club, that’s not a plan, that’s amateur bullshit.
We should’ve made sure we were Pep’s / Klopp’s / Mourinho’s first destination post Barca / Dortmund / Madrid, we didn’t.
Shit happens though, big companies make mistakes all the time, problem
is, we keep making mistakes time and time again.
Absolutely, after his Cardiff stint, Ole has no business managing at this level.And the last one might be the biggest. (mistake)
Talking about Cardiff..Absolutely, after his Cardiff stint, Ole has no business managing at this level.
Sorry - say that again, `we`ve become a joke`?I thought we would be competitive, I had no idea we would fall so far so fast. We look a million miles away from the top and, ironically, our wage bill is humungous. We're paying average players as if they were Figo, Zidane, Raul and Ronaldo. Its mind boggling.
The wilderness years have begun and they could go on for decades. That's the God's honest truth. We've become a joke.
Yes. We have become a joke.Sorry - say that again, `we`ve become a joke`?
Maybe if you actually are influenced by the sports media and tabloid hysteria that feeds an overblown narrative that the current problem of re-building and winning games with an inadequately experienced/skilled squad currently suffering from injuries but with a number of talented players who actually do care about what it is to play for Manchester United, is somehow the end for our club. What rot.
Did you really expect our current squad to be at the top by the end of this season? Or next? I didn`t. Fully fit players can gell together but the team United has fielded for the last few weeks has been notably affected by losing key players. That is harming the re-building process but the constant harping, sniping, sound the alarm narrative being pushed everywhere is to a large extent driven by other realities.
Jamie Carragher`s article, Steve whathisname on tv behaving as if United have been in the title wilderness like Liverpool for years - except not saying anything about Liverpool of course. Ole was appointed to get rid of those who didn`t want to be at United and he did, he was appointed to start the back-to-the-future process of re-establishing a Manchester United identity, to develop youth and give talented lads their chance.
It`s still early days and our squad is thin - Ole will need and will get more players. I for one will not trash our manager, squad and players such as Marcus Rashford. There is an urgent need for improvement and it will have to come but all the screeching of alarms by the anti-United sources should`t be joined by United fans. Maybe some of you need to go read about United from the 70s up to and including when Sir Alex took over.
Different situations but neverthess dire in some cases. This is a very different club now and the personnel we need are within reach because of United`s resources. I would be in favour of a new manager of great experience and silverware to their name if Ole was made Football Director.
I have never seen any MU fan saying they would have loved any manager of liverpool not even bill shankly and bob paisley except for Klopp. Guy is indeed very likeable. Now i dont think Klopp would not have joined you guys because i think he is very much into football fairytales of raising the phoenix again you were at top of your game then and liverpool was in ashes so maybe thats why he chose Liverpool.Hate to say it but have to agree on this, the blame here is surely in Woodward's hands. Bloody Disney land......