Our fixture is just quite obviously a bigger risk? I don’t get how painfully blind some of you lot are being over this. It’s us vs Leeds for fecks sake.
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Our fixture is just quite obviously a bigger risk? I don’t get how painfully blind some of you lot are being over this. It’s us vs Leeds for fecks sake.
Ah yes. The great West Ham and Everton rivalry. One for the ages.
It is pretty big aggro wise TBF.
my point is that it’s not near the level of United and Leeds.
Doesn't matter if you don't buy it, it's a blatant fact.
There were officers from Liverpool that I saw in London today ….. and South Yorkshire…… and Essex.
just saw this about those two lower league teams that decided to still play a friendly game. Ffs.
Despicable is very strong! The league could and should have just turned a blind eye to it but instead are doubling-down on a decision by the FA which - a weekend full of respect in other sports later - looks even worse than it did at the time.
I think we clearly share quite a lot in terms of a world view. I feel that, yes, things may very likely get worse before they get better. But I still cling to the vestiges of hope and I don’t think it’s necessarily unrealistic to do so.
I don’t see the removal of the monarchy as leading us to Trumptown. In many ways, we’re there already. But there are a lot of people in this country who do not support the dominant powers and their narratives,, and history has a funny way of working itself out. You mention the symbolic role of the monarchy: I see that as, like the belief in a divine President/King, a force that prevents us from confronting reality and our own agency. If you like, from growing up. I do not think it unites us, but rather legitimises inequality. It also helps us to do what so many Britons love to do, which is to live in an imagined past.
And just how do they explain the London derby at Brentford going ahead on Sunday?
explain the Brentford vs Arsenal game getting the go-ahead...
it's still a game that needs policing presumably. Also how come a London derby can get the go-ahead on Sunday?
you miss my point, I think. All games need policing, it's utter nonsense that some can be played (including one PL in London on Sunday) and some are not. Either play all games or none. How many Manchester police officers are down in london because if it's that money, they'd better not let any burglars know...
I don’t know how many times it needs to be said to you that United vs Leeds is one of the most high risk games on the football calendar. Far more than any other game on this weekend. At this point you’re just trolling.
so why is a London derby going ahead?
so why is Chelsea v Liverpool off but Brentford v Arsenal on? Either all games should be on or all games should be off. Either the police can't cope with a game before the funeral or they can
Because Chelsea have a stadium which is twice the size of Brentford and Chelsea and Liverpool both have a supporter mass which is far greater than Brentford. Brentford have had the game moved forward in order to compensate for the game too.
There are many reasons.
Because Brentford Vs Arsenal is a low risk game.
It really isn't hard to grasp. Games are tiered based on risk. What are the likelihood that there is crowd trouble at that game? I'd say very slim. United/Leeds on the other hand; the chances are much higher there would be trouble.
It's annoying but understandable.
You willfully ignoring all the reasons why and stomping around like a toddler over it is a bit pathetic.
Police take to rooftops and manholes ahead of funeral for massive security operation
"The most complex security operation London has ever seen is under way."
Still believe the operation is comparable to Notting hill carnival @Ludens the Red ?
"The most complex security operation London has ever seen is under way."
Still believe the operation is comparable to Notting hill carnival @Ludens the Red ?
Because its Brentford v Arsenal, not Spurs v Arsenal.
They'll need about 2 coppers.
Are you deliberately dense ? I genuinely can’t work it out. I’ve already said twice and acknowledged it’s a different kind of operation. You’re obviously not going to get snipers or the army at Notting hill carnival. As already explained previously it is the number of officers being used that I am questioning as it is in relation to the actual risk . Why are you not understanding this? How can somebody be this big headed in an area of something they know little about? The amount of actual criminal offences and victims at the carnival will absolutely dwarf the amount at the funeral.
Not every single police officers is skilled or trained to the same level. The risk at the carnival is different to the risk at the queens funeral. Pretty much every single police officer in this country is able to deal with the risks that present itself at the carnival of which the pure number is higher than at the funeral no matter how many times your brain tells you it isn’t. Not every police officer is armed, not every police officer is trained in covert or close protection policing.
If you have a football team that requires two specialist holding midfielders and you sign 900 strikers you haven’t suddenly solved your problem. What you’ll have is 900 strikers sat on the bench doing nothing.
Don't even know where to start with that tbh, was going to go in to detail as to why you're wrong but there's absolutely no point. For example, you still can't see why there might be a higher security presence in a state funeral with world leaders and royalty, than there would be at carnival. That's actually such a simple concept that if you don't understand, there really isn't any point getting into it with you.
Funny thing is, you've actually said in that post exactly why theres a need for police officers to be drafted in and you don't even realise it.
FYI, I don't need to research carnival. Funnily enough I'm actually from Acton, next door. Research that. Don't really know what kind of event you think it is but hey ho.
Christ, you’re really struggling to get this aren’t you.
A higher security presence based on pure numbers does not automatically equate to managing the risk better if that higher security presence and numbers aren’t qualified to deal with the risk. Why can’t you get that? Please get it, it’s so simple.
Drafting in normal police constables from all over the U.K. who are not skilled, qualified or don’t have the armour to deal with the highest relevant perceived threats/risks this week poses doesn’t automatically equate to better risk management or the best use of resources. It just means you have lots and lots of police officers on show.
Oh you think you know about the policing and crime behind the carnival because you live two central line stops away from Notting hill
I’ll try one more analogy to help you understand.
If a gunman walks into a bank everyday and robs the bank.
Would that bank be better equipped dealing with him by having 20 unarmed security guards or 2 armed security guards?
Now if 20 people walk into that same bank unarmed looking for a punch up, what would be more appropriate to deal with that, 20 unarmed security guards or 2 armed officers?
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I agree. Just making the point that for some kids who'd seen a big fuss made of the Jubilee it may be the first experience they have had of someone dying and actually having to think about what that means.
This is hilarious.
Kill them.
we were told there weren't enough coppers in London so some were being drafted in from elsewhere. meanwhile they have enough to cover a game, low risk (whatever the hell that means today - there's no knowing what will happen) or not which is 200 miles closer.
You can come up with pathetic insults but you can't explain away that if something smells like rotting fish, it's likely to be rotting fish. Either play all games or cancel all games, period - either they have enough officers or they don't. also no explanation why taken so many from Manchester but not, for instance, closer forces such as Cambs of Beds or Herts, where the games must surely be "lower risk"
Brentford have moved the game forward? It's on Sunday - the same 24 hours before the funeral as our game would have been. The police still have to work. And police aren't present just in case of crowd trouble but also in event of something worse. And if this country doesn't have enough police (which is my main point) then we are in a mess... I do however get the bit about stadium sizes and therefore numbers of people inside
It has been explained, numerous time. Just because you don't understand why doesn't mean there isn't a reason.
You trying to make out like it's some larger conspiracy is pathetic. If you can't grasp the difference between United/Leeds and Arsenal/Brentford I suggest you read up on histories, policing and crowd issues at the respective games.
Staggering FA weren't competent enough to rearrange Palace game for Sunday,especially when they are available due to Brighton match being postponed.
I suggest you try to be less condescending - I don't need to read up on anything legal or historical, thank you. Maybe you missed my point again - I'm saying it is pathetic that we don't have enough police to do a job two days running. I am saying if some games are postponed maybe all should be. No allegations of conspiracy, which, you seem to have dreamt up.
I am saying, people paid for trips and made arrangements and because of inefficiencies are being punished. Not to mention, as a supporter of this club, there are no extra pressures to fulfil fixtures. If you think the PL will be helpful when it comes to re-arranging the game, maybe it's you who needs a history lesson. maybe you should check how many games we have in the next few weeks: 13 games between the beginning of next month and the end of November. That includes what is likely to be a crunch tie in Spain. Then the WC and straight back in on Boxing Day. That's twice a week every week.
But yes, we were told it would be impossible for games to go ahead in London and that there weren't enough Met Police so officers were being drafted in from elsewhere. And yet a London game goes ahead. And please don't tell me the Brentford game means less to Arsenal fans (or Brentford's) the game does to us.
If you don't think it's a scandal that the Met Police can't cope, well there's very little else to be said
Well I suggest you take your posts to the CE forum if your argument is about police funding and cuts.
You're in a thread specifically about postponed games and you've displayed repeatedly an ignorance and lack of understanding of why certain games have been postponed while others haven't. That's your problem, no-one elses; as I and many others have attempted to explain, but each time you appear to stick your fingers in your ears.
It has already been announced when these games will be made up, but once again you venture into conspiracy about how the FA are screwing us. I prefer to debate in facts, not fiction.
If you abolish monarchy you'd just have a president with nearly the same expenditure. The president would always be some greasy boot licking politician anyways.
Does anyone seriously think the president as a new head of state would live like a pauper ? Some people are just delusional or too young.
The queen would have made a better pm than the current pm at the helm or the previous or the one before him, so much for the electorate being enlightened.
I've come to the conclusion that you can't read.. again the only person using the word conspiracy is you. you can pretend that my argument doesn't fit this thread but, again, that reading thing is proving tricky for you. The hint is in the title. But you clearly think you make the rules to life clearly so I must bow down.
So, go ahead with your delusions of greater intellect if it makes you happy. I'll happily make you only the second person I've ever blocked on social media
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I feel honoured.
Is this really how it will be done? Sandwiched in a week where we are already playing PL on the weekend on Europa on a Thursday with 48 hours to prepare and another 48 hours to recover?
If that's the plan I hope we challenge it and make a huge deal of this, pretty mental.
How would the Queen stop that? Did she stop Boris, or Brexit? And Trump was voted out, after repeatedly failing to overturn Obama’s flagship policy. Pretty shit God king.
Why? I genuinely do not understand why people think we’d have to replace a non-political, largely ceremonial monarch - whose main function is to open events and visit places - with a functioning politically active President… Why do you think this?
And if it was just someone we were paying to live in some castles and do a speech at Christmas, what does it matter eitherway? At least we wouldn’t be paying their kids and grandnieces too.
So the Queen should be the PM? The person who actually fulfils the political role the kind of US-model President does? But also we shouldn’t vote for her? What are you guys talking about?
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We're better off playing behind closed doors. Ridiculous.