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We need our left side locked down. We can't depend on Martial but the season is long and hard so both will get plenty of game time. I'm all for this happening.
Yep. Like the fact he could use both feet equally good.He is much better then what we have
I don't think that Martial was a "flash in the pan" but I do worry about his ability to become a Jose playerI said in the Martial thread that the guy was a flash in the pan and I got ridiculed. I still stand by my statement somewhat. He is a good player but I think last season he exceeded his potential. It's not outlandish to think that.
Thing is,they wont accept 35 mil euros,they want 55 mil plus35 million is a squad players price
Seems the coaches at top clubs disagree with youYou probably forgot by now what it takes to compete on the highest level (not a trolling attempt, just don't know other way to phrase this).
Perisic is a better, more complete player then Mata, and probably twice the player in Mourinho's team.
At this point in time, United shouldn't care about money, but getting the right players to make the next step.
Sorry, why is this shite being created already?He is much better then what we have
and how many leagues did Mata won for us?Seems the coaches at top clubs disagree with you
Mata - Valencia, Chelsea (€27m), ManUnited (€46m)
Perisic - Sochaux, Brugge (€200k), Dortmund (€6m), Wolfsburg (€8m), Inter (€19m)
Perisic has never competed at the highest level. He hasn't played in the CL since he left Dortmund in Jan 2013 while Mata has started CL games for both Chelsea and United.
Mata has played for bigger and better clubs and was almost a guaranteed starter for most of his career. The best club perisic ever played for was Dortmund and he couldnt nail down a starting shirt. In fact, before he was linked to United, I doubt most people knew who Perisic was.
Perisic is more physically gifted (taller, faster more physical etc) but when those physical attributes dont give him an advantage, then he becomes average to below average.
Football is 80% in the head and no amount of skill can fix faulty decision making. Mata is a far more intelligent player than Perisic. If Mata played for Inter, they would have qualified for Europa and Icardi would have been top scorer.
If we had a strong core and first IX assembled, then maybe I can see how Perisic fills a niche, but at the stage we are, I wont believe our genuine interest until we have lodged an actual offer. Whatever Mourinho could see in him, I am yet to get a glimpse of.
They can feck off then tbh. He is not worth even close to 55.Thing is,they wont accept 35 mil euros,they want 55 mil plus
He'll be 40 in twelve years.
We can do better than that.
It's a positional thing. A 28 year old DM or target man is fine for 3-5 years normally, but out wide you need pace.I've never known a forum that has such an issue with 27/28/29 year olds. Every single player in that age range is met with the same concerns regarding being too old.
That settles itThought he was supposed to be shite? Ran the show today.
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How many PL titles has Sanchez won for Arsenal?and how many leagues did Mata won for us?
EPL titles are won because the team in question has a better system (or balance if you wish it) then the rest. Hence why SAF was able to win the league comfortably with a couple of old players backed by workhorses.
I am not a big fan of signing Perisic due to his age (its difficult to settle down in the EPL at age 28) and the fee asked. However I understand why Mou wants him. He's a top class traditional winger who'll give us width. We're too narrow at the moment
I spat out my drink when I read the post you are replying toSurely the Bravo signing is the perfect example for why not to sign him rather than the other way round.
The default defense of this signing seems to be "If Jose wants him, and with him being a world class manager who knows what he wants, then it must be a good thing"
Thats exactly what Pep did with Bravo. Sometimes even the best get it wrong, and it doesnt take a genius to see that.
Hey you're the one speaking out of your arse by claiming that Mata would have dragged Inter to Europa league qualification etc. Perisic played 56 games this season (club and country), scoring 16 goals with 10 assists. Saying that he could do better is quite ridiculous since they are better stats then Mata and most of our players producedHow many PL titles has Sanchez won for Arsenal?
How many titles has Griezmann won for Atletico?
How many league titles has De Bruyne won for City?
There are several wingers that can also give width, but will likely be younger, better and/or cheaper as well.
There is nothing special about Perisic that I have seen that warrants our interest in him, and to say he is a 'Mourinho player' or 'Mou wants him' is not enough justification. Mou also wanted Quaresma, and we all know how that worked out.
Tell me moreI for one am excited that he's coming if he's coming.
Fellaini was just voted Man of the Match by the fans here for the final we won, and people are still saying this? C…Except that Fellaini has essentially proved over the course of his United career that he isn't up to the required level. Therefore if Perisic turns out to be of a similar ilk it will be deeply disappointing and by extension people will be entirely justified if and when they do criticise his performances.
We played a mid epl table level club with a team made of kids. If fellaini couldnt do well against ajax then i wonder when he willFellaini was just voted Man of the Match by the fans here for the final we won, and people are still saying this? C…
Smalling was also great in that final. People want him sold too.Fellaini was just voted Man of the Match by the fans here for the final we won, and people are still saying this? C…
You are overating our players if you think Perisic wont start for Utd on the wing.I would suggest you to see a actual game before commenting that he will only be a squad player.He's a good addition as a squad player, not as an immediate starter. Specially because we don't have any player with his characteristics, and he would add variety to our attacking options. I wouldn't be too disappointed if we signed him and both Griezmann and Belotti, for instance. Getting rid of Martial for him would be sheer madness, though.
He is actually right footed I think but took the free kick with his left; just like Ousmane Dembele, insane those two feet.Yep. Like the fact he could use both feet equally good.
If he wont solve any of our problems I don't see what the point of him is, we all know he's Jose's type of player but that is part of the problem,, Jose was supposed to going to respect United's profile. I dunno, to me even the articles and comments being nice about him are fairly backhanded, kinda like being the only girl left in the club at closing time.I was talking today to a friend, who is a journalist for a site called Telesport, very good sports site with some of the best writers and journos in Croatia.
He is from the town of Omiš, just like Perišić, in fact Perišić is his neighbor, not only that he had a fling with his sister in primary school.
I've send him a message after I read an article about Perišić as a player.
I will write the best bits. Will jump over the part about his childhood and his days in Sochaux and then in Brugge where he scored most goals in one season.
I'll start with difficulties at Dormund, without the part about gegenpressing and what is it:
Perišić was too often a foreign body on the ground, not perceiving what others perceived. In key situations he moved either too early or too late, he was far from the required game, and he tried to go solo in wide positions, where no counter-presing was possible because the lost ball was not close to anyone. For this reason, he gave the impression of a lazy and selfish player, someone who did not survive the game philosophy and tasks that were put before him. In addition, statements in the media in which Perišić expressed dissatisfaction with the status of the team led Klopp to fine Perišić as a first player Klopp has done that to.
Klopp immediately let him go, he did not have the will nor needed to wait for him to adapt. He brought Marcus Reus, and for Perišić he said he was a valuable player in making a surplus and that he would always be in the game, only when football could be played with 12 players. Our sophisticated media rushed to interpret it as a praise for Perišić's technical and physical capacities, which ultimately was partly true. In fact, it was never as questionable as he was a powerful soccer player in creating surplus. However, it was a questionable compulsory game, co-operation with teammates and the ability to be just part of the system. He had to learn to be a part of the system from which he would draw constantness and he would be able to improve his unpredictability.
Nevertheless, Perišić remembered very well the feeling of sitting on the bench. He also knew how good it was to score goals and carry a team. The episode in Borussia has taught him how small a difference is between one and the other. Klopp gave him a fairly cheap reminder, and numerous dinners with Ivica Olić in Wolfsburg awoke the need to adapt. After all, through training and matches with Olić, he got an example of how teamwork and teammate responsibility means more than talent. From a dead blower in the octane team of Borussia, he became a busy locomotive that wound a dead Wolfsburg team. Suddenly, Perišić went head where others would not walk. And literally, combining further in action with teammates.
Through the game in Wolfsburg and Inter it became obviously the most visible in the Croatian national team.
As a winger, Perisic does not create the difference through driblings that require technical supremacy. He simply pushes the ball and crosses the opponent, maximally effective. Ivan Perisic is not the creator who creates for himself and teammates in a situation when he's against a organized defense. He is an excellent player who is ready to take advantage of what his teammates offer inside the system. In fact, he is the exhaust valve of the attack and it works on an elite level. Even in questionable systems such as those in Inter and Wolfsburg, Perisic realizes the surpluses prepared by his teammates.
When playing for a team with creators such as Luka Modric, then his effectiveness jumps into the sky, whether it is playing as a classic wing weor attacking space as a secondary striker. Having a solid technique, fantastic speed, but first and foremost, wants to cooperate with teammates and play their system without having to play the ball and trying to show their individual quality.
The problem is, of course, the price. No system player is worth EUR 55 million, and such a figure is not a mitigating circumstance for neither the club nor Perisic, as the public will raise the ladder of expectations. It is not negligible that both Chelsea and United have great competition in their position, meaningless about the left wing position in United or the left wing and left-side position in Chelsea. Wherever he comes, he will not have an easy task to break into the starting line, despite the paid figures.
However, as he has already pointed out, Perišić is a player who is prepared to adapt to the underlying circumstances because he is capable of learning. With demonstrated sacrifice there is enough technical and physical capacity to be utilized in every team in the world. Perišić is no longer a player who has been penalized by Klopp, but there is a question as to how he can raise that team to a higher level, whether he can give the upgrade what it implies the compensation he will have to pay for him.
my apologies if some things sound odd, it's from google translate, I was too lazy to read the whole thing translated.
Also he said Ivan is definitely leaving Inter, 80 percent that's he's going to United, 15 to Chelsea, 5 to PSG.
He said that although Martial's Idontgiveafu.kness is pissing him off that he's still a better player. And although Ivan is a good player he won't solve any of United's problems. And United would do better if they would spend 80 mil on Griezmann and 50 mil on Veratti (if only).
Ivan is a kind of player Jose likes.
Take from it what you will, I mean especially the percentages.
Perisic created only 2 chances per 90 mins while Mata creates 2.5 playing in a better league. Mata+ Icardi would have been enough to win at least an extra game which would have qualified Inter for EL.Hey you're the one speaking out of your arse by claiming that Mata would have dragged Inter to Europa league qualification etc. Perisic played 56 games this season (club and country), scoring 16 goals with 10 assists. Saying that he could do better is quite ridiculous since they are better stats then Mata and most of our players produced
Regarding managers making bad decisions, our legend spend 7m for some Championship level player with a funny name (Bebe)
Criticise Perisic for his age (ie no experience in the EPL at age 28) or the rumoured fee not his talent or stats.
That's his opinion. I think he would be a good addition. For a good price of course. We're lacking a good, true winger, none of the players who played on the wing this year are in fact wingers.If he wont solve any of our problems I don't see what the point of him is, we all know he's Jose's type of player but that is part of the problem,, Jose was supposed to going to respect United's profile. I dunno, to me even the articles and comments being nice about him are fairly backhanded, kinda like being the only girl left in the club at closing time.
Not trying to start any fresh arguments. Just saying that if we were playing Blind/Darmain money for him as a tactical sqaud option I could see it, but even £30M is overpriced for what he is.
The thing is we didn't had really starters and bench players on the wings this year. Everyone of them had a point in which they were playing regularly. Even in the final, not many were dead sure Mata would start instead of Lingard. That didn't happen just because no one was perfect, but also due to the number of games. I'm not seeing Mourinho going back to his old ways of playing just his 13-14 preferred players. If I had to say, I would guess Mata and Mkhitaryan would have a chance early in the season to establish themselves in the starting lineup. Also, since I see us switching to 4-4-2, specially if Griezmann comes, Martial will probably be more of an option as Rashford's sub upfront.Will be interesting to see which winger Mourinho demotes to a squad role or even sells this Summer.
- Mkhi has had an abysmal league campaign only made forgettable by scoring some important goals in Europe for us
- Mata seems to have gained Mourinho's appreciation, even getting a start in the most important game of our campaign with next to no match fitness but his weaknesses are some of the things that Jose hates the most in an attacking player
- Martial has put up some of the best numbers out of the lot of them but looks a shadow of his former self and Jose doesn't seem to rate him. If he leaves then it's 100% nailed on that he will be put on a list with KDB and Lukaku in a year or two
- Lingard is a good player to have in the squad
Perisic is a decent winger but it's hard to say that he offers a massive improvement on our other options. Feel like a Lemar or a Forsberg would be a much bigger boost to our starting 11 but hopefully it's because Mourinho wants to sign someone a bit older with our younger lads in mind, although i doubt it taking Mourinho's hate for rotation into consideration.
- Rashford is probably the only player out of the lot of them without much to worry about, Mourinho loves him.
That awkward high five moment at the beginningHe is much better then what we have
Ask any inter fan whose the best player between ibra and icardi and youll be surprised. Inter has many problems but perisic is not onePerisic created only 2 chances per 90 mins while Mata creates 2.5 playing in a better league. Mata+ Icardi would have been enough to win at least an extra game which would have qualified Inter for EL.
Perisic played with one of the most clinical strikers in the world in Icardi and all he could get was 8 assists in a weaker league. Even Icardi himself, who is weak in every other aspect of his game except finishing had 24 goals and 8 assists. Candavera led Inter with 10 assists, and even he is an average player. Even players like Tello look good in the serie A.
If Perisic is so talented, why is it that no other club, not even in Serie A has been linked to him? Are all those clubs also blind?
I suspect Inter are simply marketing a player that they need to sell due to FFP so as to get as much money for him as possible. If we are truly interested, we should have at least put in a formal bid.
I agree that we are lacking a good winger as an option due to Pogba, and the part about him thriving with Mordic, something seen the Euros where he was better than in any Inter game I've seen him play, could possibly be replicated to some degree with Paul.That's his opinion. I think he would be a good addition. For a good price of course. We're lacking a good, true winger, none of the players who played on the wing this year are in fact wingers.
As for backhanded compliments, I don't see it that way, but maybe you're right. He doesn't think he's a bad player or only decent, he thinks his transfer to United isn't the right one for him or for United.
Wishful thinking mate, Mourinho's way has brought him success at every club he has managed and in every league. Why is he going to change now? Irrespective of his claims to respect our traditions, when the chips were down at the end of the season (suspensions, injuries, fixture pile-up) he simply reverted to type and got the job done the best way he knows how. Attacking or defensive? Mourinho is only interested in building a winning team.I hope Mourinho still want's to build an attacking side with us and not turn us into his Chelsea or Inter clone, it felt a bit like he reverted back to his old tactics a few months ago and the players that we are linked with suggest that he wants to build a defensive team.
Ibra is better than Icardi not cos Ibra is clinical. Icardi is more clinical than Zlatan, in fact that is Icardi's best attribute.Ask any inter fan whose the best player between ibra and icardi and youll be surprised. Inter has many problems but perisic is not one
So how do you juxtapose your posted stats with:Feels like we're going to be seeing the 6 at the back a lot more often next season.