Murder on Zidane's Floor
You'd better not kill Giroud
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That's because they're a good team who make people look better*Well then buy the good ones? City manage to do that just fine.
That's because they're a good team who make people look better*Well then buy the good ones? City manage to do that just fine.
Not without apologyAnd that's totally fine and probably was fair to do. But all of this means that EtH decided to enforce this read line by completely banning Sancho. He could have suspended him for two weeks as well for example.
No i think you're logic is inconsistent now. I can cite countless examples where managers do what ten hag did, often more harshly, but very few examples of a player reacting as sancho did. The fact that ten hag doesn't publicly call out countless underperformers doesn't strengthen your argument, it weakens it - we have live real time proof that he sets a high bar for public criticism and somehow sancho has passed it despite being surrounded by poor players. He all but called the manager a liar and made an insinuation about him that can only be interpreted in a negative light. Its just not negotiable - you apologise to any boss if you do thatWell that's all well and good but Tan Hag was the one who lowered the standard by talking about him in the media in the first place. Sancho simply responded, this is the main reason why this almost never happens.
Also everyone has underperformed, and he's definitely not been the laziest one on the pitch, yet Ten Hag says and does nothing about it.
One simple but big factor at play to me there: the media attention and ability for players to get distracted by a life of glitz n glamour are far greater at United.What's also curious is that all of this happened before at Dortmund without escalating. Their manager and DoF both publicly made similar statements about Sancho (multiple times!) and we even had the "I feel like a scapegoat" post from Sancho once. The reaction from the club was basically "feel whatever you want, perform better and than there won't be any problem". If you make a public statement and get a public reply that you don't like, you shouldn't be surprised.
Dortmund had no problem getting him in line while United had. Of course we can repeat all the points about how United is so much of a bigger club that couldn't accept these little issues etc, but in the end we have a club that was carried for four seasons by Sancho and then sold him for 85m, and another club that got almost nothing out of him and made themselves a laughing stock by the terms of this loans.
Or you look to part ways because you won't get on common ground with that boss again.No i think you're logic is inconsistent now. I can cite countless examples where managers do what ten hag did, often more harshly, but very few examples of a player reacting as sancho did. The fact that ten hag doesn't publicly call out countless underperformers doesn't strengthen your argument, it weakens it - we have live real time proof that he sets a high bar for public criticism and somehow sancho has passed it despite being surrounded by poor players. He all but called the manager a liar and made an insinuation about him that can only be interpreted in a negative light. Its just not negotiable - you apologise to any boss if you do that
That is all irrelevant, if a manager calls out someone publicly, then that person can respond publicly and disagree.No i think you're logic is inconsistent now. I can cite countless examples where managers do what ten hag did, often more harshly, but very few examples of a player reacting as sancho did. The fact that ten hag doesn't publicly call out countless underperformers doesn't strengthen your argument, it weakens it - we have live real time proof that he sets a high bar for public criticism and somehow sancho has passed it despite being surrounded by poor players. He all but called the manager a liar and made an insinuation about him that can only be interpreted in a negative light. Its just not negotiable - you apologise to any boss if you do that
This point doesn't get hammered enough. You can make a first 11 of failed attacking players with 5 subs that were signed in the last 10yrsHe is good. United is the problem. No successful attacking signing at United since RVP.
That's highly unprofessional. Sanction him and be done with it if you feel that's absolutely necessary. No need to make it personal.Not without apology
Completely disagree. He needs to go to the manager and admit he made a stupid mistake, commit to it not happening again - then sit and have a frank conversation like adults. It doesnt surprise me at all that an instagram footballer took to instagram to hype up his conspiracy theories. He was playing shit, by all accounts training shit, and got mildly called out for that. Then behaved like a child.That's highly unprofessional. Sanction him and be done with it if you feel that's absolutely necessary. No need to make it personal.
That’s nice. Hopefully they stump up the cash for him in the summer and he can feck off there permanently. Everyone’s a winner.But he did yesterday for Dortmund.
Technically a tougher testOne couldn't dream of an easier start for his loan. Playing against the 18th and last placed team last week, now against the 17th.
That's my point, starting with the weakest opponent and slowly increasing is a dream scenario.Technically a tougher test
Yep, fits right into that weak Dortmund team.Hasn't done much so far.
Patrick Owomoyela of course says it's a stonewall pen.Just made a ridiculous dive and actually got a penalty rewarded
Laughable pen. He was hit, but then ran another 3 meters only to throw himself down golden raspberry style after a featherlight tug. VAR should have taken it back, guess they are starstruck that such a big name like Sancho is back in the league so starved of big names.Patrick Owomoyela of course says it's a stonewall pen.
It was a pretty soft penalty, but it wasn't a severe referee mistake (which is the threshold for VAR overruling it). Still lucky for Sancho, that he got it.Laughable pen. He was hit, but then ran another 3 meters only to throw himself down golden raspberry style after a featherlight tug. VAR should have taken it back, guess they are starstruck that such a big name like Sancho is back in the league so starved of big names.
Amazing penalty won by Sancho few minutes ago, dribbled past 2 players as it was the easiest job in the world.
Sad they didnt let him take despite I did read "please please please" on his lips, probably he wanted to score.
Aye it's some weird kind of confirmation bias. Somehow almost every player who leaves us people think suddenly does great but every half decent player at this level has his moments.Let's not start obsessing every time he plays about we may or not have wasted. Him performing well is a positive. We can get more money from a sale.
I sometimes wonder if it’s to do with the general mismanagement of the club as much as anything else. How can so many players who did well elsewhere turn up at Old Trafford and suddenly drop their level so significantly. It just seems a bit crazy.A great player who can't hack it with the athletes of the PL. Same with Antony, Facundo and Hopefully not Amad.
Incredible how our recruitment team can't see you need pace, power and stamina in this league with very few exceptions.
I agree with you on that point, there’s no way this is a coincidence and ultimately the Glazers are yet again to blame.I sometimes wonder if it’s to do with the general mismanagement of the club as much as anything else. How can so many players who did well elsewhere turn up at Old Trafford and suddenly drop their level so significantly. It just seems a bit crazy.
It was incredibly soft. Less of a penalty than Garnacho vs. Spurs. No way he gets that in the PL.Amazing penalty won by Sancho few minutes ago, dribbled past 2 players as it was the easiest job in the world.
Sad they didnt let him take despite I did read "please please please" on his lips, probably he wanted to score.
BullshitNot really a shock he is a great player that we wasted as usual
And never really recover when they leave too. You could make a list of players that have left here in the past ten years and gone on to do really well and enhance their careers and it would be a very small list. Even some of the players you could include who went on to do some good things and win titles or reach champions league finals-Lukaku, Herrera, Smalling, Young etc. didn't really play that much better than their time here. Di Maria is probably the only one i can think of who left and did much better.I sometimes wonder if it’s to do with the general mismanagement of the club as much as anything else. How can so many players who did well elsewhere turn up at Old Trafford and suddenly drop their level so significantly. It just seems a bit crazy.
I don't fully disagree but Zlatan was a successful signing. The only good for one season argument doesn't work, because that can also apply to RVP. Martinez, Lake Shaw, Bissaka, Varane, Casemiro, all proven to be important. Eriksen was very important last season. Matic had a good first season. Cavan was very important in his first season. Martial was very good his first season. Herrera, Malta both ended up being pretty important.This point doesn't get hammered enough. You can make a first 11 of failed attacking players with 5 subs that were signed in the last 10yrs
Even seasoned EPL buys like Alexis Lukaku Maguire
He was just as unimpressive with England as he was with United. Dortmund and the Bundesliga are his level, not to belittle his ability but you can see it in the penalty he won, I don't know much about Koln but the defending was comical. His style of play suits the Bundesliga far better than the premier League as well.I sometimes wonder if it’s to do with the general mismanagement of the club as much as anything else. How can so many players who did well elsewhere turn up at Old Trafford and suddenly drop their level so significantly. It just seems a bit crazy.
Sancho didn't drop his level. He was making a step up and didn't raise his level to meet the demands of the PL. It doesn't seem that he was interested in doing that or recognised that he'd have to work a lot harder to be successful in the PL. Now he's looking good again because he's dropped back down where he gets more space and time.I sometimes wonder if it’s to do with the general mismanagement of the club as much as anything else. How can so many players who did well elsewhere turn up at Old Trafford and suddenly drop their level so significantly. It just seems a bit crazy.