[el3mel]

No, of course its not unimportant. I just believe that there are way more important structural issues with how we play that should be addressed before discussing if we would perform better with a single or double pivot.
And I am not going to bring up City, we play a completely different system and I am very much against comparing us to teams that play a completely different type of football structurally.
I do think that players like Lingard and Pogba would do better in a more offensive system though.

I don't disagree we have more strucural issues. No one will disagree about that.

However, in order to get 100% of all your players you will need to play them in position they are familial with and that will require you to sacrifice some for others. It's pointless to play all your best players while putting them out of position, you will get about 50% of them.

Lingard is better centrally, but since we need Pogba in 4-3-3 and Lingard output is underwhelming anyway, the more logical choice is to sacrifice him for a proper RW to still get the best out of Pogba, instead of changing the formation that doesn't suit your arguably best player.

Of course you'll need to have a coherent system with all this but these are also important.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I have really warmed to the guy over the past few years. He is fantastic for England and United. He is not the most technically gifted footballer in the world but he has a fantastic work rate and he seems to up his level in the big games unlike many of our squad. Didn’t think it was fair for Jose to include him in the list of players lacking character.

Fantastic for United? This is the kind of rubbish I was saying earlier about some people's standards being so low that they regard him as a 'fantastic' player.

Lingard is the same age as Christian Eriksen, just let that sink in for a minute.

 

[Litch]

Complete lottery of what you get from him and more times than not, no where good enough. Energy and busyness makes him appear to be active but often lots of meaningless rubbish

 

[TheGame]

He is a good sqaud player but does not show the consistency to be a constant starter for us.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Why is he so much better for England? We have better players here, makes no sense.

 

[haram]

Why is he so much better for England? We have better players here, makes no sense.

He isn’t better for England, total myth.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

He isn’t better for England, total myth.

I watched him play for them twice last week. He massively is.

 

[haram]

I watched him play for them twice last week. He massively is.

So 2 good games for England means he plays better for his national side? Was he not playing better for United just last season?

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

So 2 good games for England means he plays better for his national side? Was he not playing better for United just last season?

He's better for England overall.

 

[haram]

He's better for England overall.

No he isn’t.

 

[matt23]

A lot of players in the current England set up are now playing better (if anything) for their country than their club. In Jesse's case I'd put this down to the contrasting coaching philosophies of Southgate and Mourinho. Personally I'd mark it down as another example of our manager failing to get from his players, what other coaches seem able to.

The irony of United players presumably looking forward to international breaks these days, where they join a more progressive and modern thinking coaching team who seem to encourage the players to play football with pride and maybe even take some risks is huge. Funny how football can change.

 

[haram]

His best form came in a United shirt though . Why are people trying to push this myth .

 

[ivaldo]

No he isn’t.

He is. His movement off the ball is superb, and with England moving the ball a lot quicker, we get to see the fruits of that.

 

[haram]

He is. His movement off the ball is superb, and with England moving the ball a lot quicker, we get to see the fruits of that.

We saw him playing better for United last season though. Literally his best football has been played at United.

 

[ivaldo]

We saw him playing better for United last season though. Literally his best football has been played at United.

Was that when he was played centrally?

 

[haram]

Was that when he was played centrally?

That’s where he is best yeah.

 

[ivaldo]

That’s where he is best yeah.

Yup. And now he’s being an played out wide as a traditional winger, which isn’t getting the best out of him. It isn’t even strictly that he’s being played wide. For England, he plays as part of a fluid front line, and can use that sharpness and movement to great effect. When build up play is slow and his position is rigid, invariably you aren’t going to see him at his best.

 

[drdoityourself]

Yup. And now he’s being an played out wide as a traditional winger, which isn’t getting the best out of him. It isn’t even strictly that he’s being played wide. For England, he plays as part of a fluid front line, and can use that sharpness and movement to great effect. When build up play is slow and his position is rigid, invariably you aren’t going to see him at his best.

His position isn't rigid. He's not being played as a traditional winger. He rarely stays out wide, spending most of his time centrally. Passing it to the guy next to him.

He just isn't good enough for United. His passing lacks any kind of inspiration, he is good for a quick one-two but that's about it.
He has no strength, that's why he goes down to try to win a free kick every time there is pressure.
Granted, options for the right are few. But he has done nothing this season to warrant these starts he's getting.

 

[ivaldo]

His position isn't rigid. He's not being played as a traditional winger. He rarely stays out wide, spending most of his time centrally. Passing it to the guy next to him.

He just isn't good enough for United. His passing lacks any kind of inspiration, he is good for a quick one-two but that's about it.
He has no strength, that's why he goes down to try to win a free kick every time there is pressure.
Granted, options for the right are few. But he has done nothing this season to warrant these starts he's getting.

Theres a big difference between hugging the touchline and given freedom to pop up on the other flank, or interchange with the striker. You've even stated you see him as a right winger, which clearly he isn't. He'd play equally well on the left or better centrally, providing the team players with pace and fluidity.

No he isn't a pass master or strong as a bull, but neither are other players of his Ilk. His biggest strength is his movement and his ability to find space, which is why all of a sudden he becomes one of the best players on the pitch for England. You're judging him on entirely the wrong traits.

 

[drdoityourself]

Theres a big difference between hugging the touchline and given freedom to pop up on the other flank, or interchange with the striker. You've even stated you see him as a right winger, which clearly he isn't. He'd play equally well on the left or better centrally, providing the team players with pace and fluidity.

No he isn't a pass master or strong as a bull, but neither are other players of his Ilk. His biggest strength is his movement and his ability to find space, which is why all of a sudden he becomes one of the best players on the pitch for England. You're judging him on entirely the wrong traits.

Even if those are his biggest strengths, what he does is just the last thing this team needs right now. His movement and the spaces he finds, are always in front of the defense, so as I said he lacks the vision to pick out a killer pass, what does it actually bring to a team that is struggling to create? He finds space, and then because of his creative shortcomings, he passes it back.
At least in this moment in time, we are so lacking in creativity, that a player of his ilk is just not needed right now.
His movement isn't opening things up for anyone either, as teams now know how he operates.

The tales of his exploits for England are getting out of hand really, they drew or lost to every team that can be considered a good one at the World Cup.

He'll be 26 years old in two weeks. When he's fit he's selected in the starting eleven more times than not. That's been going on for three years. What he has delivered at this time is unacceptable.
The club should move on, but we are addicted to squad players, never let them go and then act all surprised when we end up with a busload of squad players making up a Manchester United starting eleven.

 

[Johan07]

Even if those are his biggest strengths, what he does is just the last thing this team needs right now. His movement and the spaces he finds, are always in front of the defense, so as I said he lacks the vision to pick out a killer pass, what does it actually bring to a team that is struggling to create? He finds space, and then because of his creative shortcomings, he passes it back.
At least in this moment in time, we are so lacking in creativity, that a player of his ilk is just not needed right now.
His movement isn't opening things up for anyone either, as teams now know how he operates.

The tales of his exploits for England are getting out of hand really, they drew or lost to every team that can be considered a good one at the World Cup.

He'll be 26 years old in two weeks. When he's fit he's selected in the starting eleven more times than not. That's been going on for three years. What he has delivered at this time is unacceptable.
The club should move on, but we are addicted to squad players, never let them go and then act all surprised when we end up with a busload of squad players making up a Manchester United starting eleven.

Nah, he struggles creatively in our side, but so does does Pogba, Mata and Sanchez. The main reason is that we dont commit people in front of the ball when in possession. It must be very difficult to try to be creative when you essentially just have Lukaku in front of you. Lingard is a very, very good player who will shine in a more offensive system being played centrally.

 

[ivaldo]

@drdoityourself what @Johan07 said.

Unless you think this is a functioning team, or that every player we possess lacks creative quality, or that our system is set up to suit the players we have at our disposal, you're judging him entirely out of context.

And how successful have we been in those three years? With the exception of DDG, how many players have shined in our set up?

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

The state of United - arguing about Jesse freaking Lingard.

 

[el3mel]

Fecking sick of him. Again our most pointless forward.

 

[Giant Midget]

He’s an absolute abomination, should be nowehere near the first team. I’m sick of seeing him go game after game without making any sort of contribution. Sanchez on the right till the end of the season please.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Scored one goal since February.

He's a complete passenger, why does he keep fecking playing him?

 

[All 3 United]

When you give a player £100k a week he will be a first team player. Let that sink in when thinking we should be giving smalling £120k per week.

This lad wouldn’t even be back up for Everton.

 

[VeevaVee]

Adds absolutely nothing of quality.

I couldn’t believe it when Rashford was flying up the pitch (to nowhere) and Jesse was still jogging near the centre circle.

 

[An Irish Red]

When Mourinho is sacked (hopefully soon) and we start interviewing managers for the job; they should be asked what they would do with Lingard if they get appointed.

If they say anything other than 'transfer him' they shouldn't get hired because their judgement isn't good enough.

 

[Andycoleno9]

4th start since he is back from injury. 4th game that he plays shit. Why he starts? Why? Why? Why? I just can't find any fecking logic. Like he is Messi.
Edit: and he will be 26 in few weeks??! Bloody hell. And people say that he is young(ish)

 

[Minimalist]

I actually find Lingard amusing as a person but he was fecking dreadful for long periods tonight.

Seems like he has been poor for United for months now.

 

[Kostov]

Will Mourinho award this “performance” from Lingard with a start for the weekend? He probably will. Disgraceful.

 

[Devil may care]

Poor game from Jesse, he's usually pretty tight recieving the ball to feet but he had some Lukakuitis tonight.

 

[Robbie Boy]

He’s having a mare of a season.

 

[All 3 United]

He’s having a mare of a season.

He’s having a mare of a career, give or take a month.

 

[BrianMcClair'sBarnet]

One little flick for Rashford is not going to hide the fact he put in a poor showing tonight.

 

[drdoityourself]

Man Utd- Young Boys- Taken off at 0-0, we win
Man Utd- Crystal Palace- Taken off, 0-0
Man Utd- Man City- Taken off, we lose, 1-1 after he goes off.
Man Utd- Juventus- Taken off at 0-1, we win
Man Utd- Derby, Taken off at 1-1, 2-2 draw and we lose on penalties. One assist.
Man Utd- Wolves, Taken off at 1-1, no goals after that.
Man Utd- Watford, we win, 2-1, he went off at 2-1
Man Utd- Burnley, we win 2-0, he went off at 2-0
Man Utd-Tottenham, we lose 0-3, he plays 90 mins.

Those are his starts this season. Consume this with his 0 goals scored. He has one assist in the Carabao Cup.
The last win he was a part of was in middle of September.
Yet since returning from injury he has now started four games in a row. He has done nothing with his opportunities this season, he should be buried behind Mata and Alexis after this. How we can start such an ineffective player in a front three is just absurd at this point.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Poor tonight. Nothing like the player that turns up for England. Saying that, never thought I'd say this, but United don't play anything like England at the moment.

 

[golden_blunder]

This lad wouldn’t even be back up for Everton.

Back to this shit again. Fletcher was only good enough for championship I recall
You’re a joker fella. It’s the way you tell em

 

[All 3 United]

Back to this shit again. Fletcher was only good enough for championship I recall
You’re a joker fella. It’s the way you tell em

Yep. I’m the joker.