So what trophies are we going to win this season.That 2nd place trophy. Get in.
And the answer is Fcuk all.
So what trophies are we going to win this season.That 2nd place trophy. Get in.
As if anyone would have stopped City last seasonYeah I don't believe a word he says. Sorry.
A short-term manager like him should have won the league within the first 2 years where he was backed.. His short-term game simply wasn't good enough to beat Pep or win the CL, and so his cycle has come to an end.
The short-term game of any manager would not have been enough to best City last season.
Maybe true, maybe not. But Mourinho has certainly proven himself to be short of the mark.As if anyone would have stopped City last season
Of course, it's not as if Ole is some unknown quantity like Guardiola or Zidane who took a short time in the B team to move onto their first big job. Ole is a standard coach, relegated with Cardiff, went to a smaller league and did very well with Molde. He's not a miracle worker.Sure seems like Mourinho was right. And maybe that also explains why he’s been so calm, he knew the truth would come out and OGS would eventually fall into the same pit?
Agree, some or most of these would have been shown the door, just goes to show player power has taken over. Sadly our club is the poster boy at present of having to many egos which are not good for the club.A robber can tell you robbery is wrong. The fact Mourinho is an ass shouldn't get in the way of seeing he had a point. A lot of our players have reputations much better than their performances. The club is indulging average players who have not got us close to a major trophy. Amazing some of these have been given leverage the likes of Beckham never were.
I'm fairly certain we are shit well before he came on board.Mourinho got us into this position in the first place. Just because he's been gone a few months doesn't absolve him of anything.
True. Maybe I should say the upper management got us into this position. But he didn't help with his transfers and training methods, which have left us in this state.I'm fairly certain we are shit well before he came on board.
Look I know it's hard to to admit that we are shit and our toxicity has forced away the best thing that happened to us since Fergie retired, but you don't call the grapes sour just becuase you are sticking them up your arse instead of your mouth.
Uhhh no. Even if he was right about a few things about the squad (which quite frankly, didn't take a special one to work out), he was the worst of all the United managers in handling the ego problem. It fecking exploded in his face, and ours.I'm fairly certain we are shit well before he came on board.
Look I know it's hard to to admit that we are shit and our toxicity has forced away the best thing that happened to us since Fergie retired, but you don't call the grapes sour just becuase you are sticking them up your arse instead of your mouth.
No one is saying he didn’t deserved the sack. He behaved that way to get the sack so that he can walk away from this failing organization with a proper compensation.Jose might have been right but the way he went about addressing the problem is wrong and hence deservedly got the sack.
Sorry but no. Mourinho was also a problem and a bad appointment. He wanted the likes of Willian or Perisic who would have added to our collection of non-performers. So while he was wise enough to attack the board, he himself did not have a vision that would improve us significantly. He was just wrestling with Woodward for power, and neither of them had an outlook that would be favorable for us.Mourinho was right and did everything he could to put the club in the right track. He was getting attacked in 3 fronts, fans, players and board. He lost it and started firing in every direction. Was he right in doing so? Probably not. But it looks like even shock tactics dind't work.
Now, only 2 from the bunch will suffer. The club and the fans. Mourinho will get another job, players will get other clubs, the board will keep doing money. It will take sometime until one of the greatest clubs ever to get back on his feet again.
Uh no...it didn’t explode in his face. He did what he did fully knowing he wanted to get the sack. It was to expose the players and the club hierarchy to the public. If you didn’t get that, you wouldn’t get it even if we tried to explain it. He had nothing to lose. He was going to get his sack and compensation either way.Uhhh no. Even if he was right about a few things about the squad (which quite frankly, didn't take a special one to work out), he was the worst of all the United managers in handling the ego problem. It fecking exploded in his face, and ours.
I think you sell Willian and Perisic short. These are players with a will to play and fight. It is what our team needs. We have too many on our team that are happy to just lay down when the going gets tough.Sorry but no. Mourinho was also a problem and a bad appointment. He wanted the likes of Willian or Perisic who would have added to our collection of non-performers. So while he was wise enough to attack the board, he himself did not have a vision that would improve us significantly. He was just wrestling with Woodward for power, and neither of them had an outlook that would be favorable for us.
Once the season ended he will start chopping heads. The honeymoon period is over and it goes both ways. The players that stopped putting in effort for him will feel his ruthlessness, and surely he will have the full backing of the board doing so.I think it's clear that we've created a massive problem with the Sanchez wages. We've also got a lack of strong, committed personalities in the dressing room. And we've got players who are prone to downing tools in Pogba and Martial.
So in a sense Mourinho is right, yeah. But his attempt to handle those personalities was genuinely shite.
The problem is that Solskjaer seems to be too far the other way. Mourinho looked for confrontation at every opportunity, Solskjaer seems determined to be nice to everyone.
Surely we need to find some middle ground.
If you're making excuses for him downing tools and being a quitter, I have nothing to say. If he has acted as you described, he is the chief mercenary out of all of them and quite frankly, good riddance.Uh no...it didn’t explode in his face. He did what he did fully knowing he wanted to get the sack. It was to expose the players and the club hierarchy to the public. If you didn’t get that, you wouldn’t get it even if we tried to explain it. He had nothing to lose. He was going to get his sack and compensation either way.
Willian is just a slightly better lingard. Chelsea wanted what, 50m?I think you sell Willian and Perisic short. These are players with a will to play and fight. It is what our team needs. We have too many on our team that are happy to just lay down when the going gets tough.
This is the same thing as not backing the manager fully. If you trust in him to hire him, back him and don’t stop half way.
He absolutely has to be ruthless.Once the season ended he will start chopping heads. The honeymoon period is over and it goes both ways. The players that stopped putting in effort for him will feel his ruthlessness, and surely he will have the full backing of the board doing so.
These are the players Jose took to 2nd place and still wanted to upgrade but was blocked by the board. If you really think he wanted to sit there with Valencia and Young as his fullbacks last season you are deluded. Look at the calibre of teams and players he has managed and ask yourself if he knew the real standard of our current players.These are the players Mourinho kept and bought. This is his team that Ole is trying to motivate. He made it
He bought most of them and kept others. His 75m striker can't control the ball. His defensive midfield is finished in less than 2 year. He brought mkhitaryan and when he flopped replaced him with a bigger flop which ruined the wage structure. He said Young shall be playing 50 games this season. He didn't buy an experienced RB for 2 year and seemingly had no intrest. Why should his failure in the squad building be ignored?Of course he was right for many things but fecked up many things as well. If I could choose between Mourinho and most of this spineless sack of shits playing for our club I would have chosen him in a heartbeat. But we all know things don’t work like that in football.
What a shambolic post.Jose turned his nose up at Johnny Evans for £3.5 million and Harry Maguire from Hull for £17 million. He had plenty of windows to fix the defense but with Jose it's like if the player is costing less than £80 million than he's not interested.
Exactly! That’s why he kept saying taking this team to 2nd with the quality of other teams around us was his biggest achievement of his career. This group of players are truly not good enough.These are the players Jose took to 2nd place and still wanted to upgrade but was blocked by the board. If you really think he wanted to sit there with Valencia and Young as his fullbacks last season you are deluded. Look at the calibre of teams and players he has managed and ask yourself if he knew the real standard of our current players.
The genius fan base decided that all we had to do was attack more though.
Let's hope so!Jose was every bit as rotten as Pogba. 2 giant egos who crave the attention in every moment. Neither belong at clubs like Utd. We all predicted at the start of the season that both would be gone by summer 2019 and that looks like it's a certainty to happen.
He was right but he couldn't fix anything and only added to the rot. His own solutions are failures - Matic, Lukaku, Pogba, Baily, Lindelof, Sanchez - all Mourinho's doing.
Why is this point being totally ignored?These are the players Mourinho kept and bought. This is his team that Ole is trying to motivate. He made it
Imagine that your post is subject to someone elses whims. So instead of getting to say what you want to say, you get to say some of what you say and the rest is edited by someone else. Thats how I see united over the past 6 years. I dont think any of our managers have had the total control that we all think they did. Thats just my opinion of course. But I think its woodwards backs seat driving thats drove us off the cliff. Not moyes, not LVG, not jose, and not Ole.Why is this point being totally ignored?
The revisionism going on in this thread regarding Jose's management of our club is frankly mind-boggling. He's been dressed up to be some sort of prophetic visionary when the reality of the situation is completely the opposite.
Are we forgetting the soul-destroying football that we were forced to endure in favour of positive results on the pitch that never came?
Or how he relentlessly attacked the history and ethics of the club in an effort to save his own hide on numerous occasions throughout his tenure?
Or how he never smiled or showed any emotion before, during or after games, sending out an ever-present stream of negative vibes?
The guy was an absolute disaster in every sense of the word.