Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch

[Alex99]

But look at the part where he says the fullbacks have done well, only a liverpool supporter would praise their defence.

The fullbacks comment is especially bizarre considering near every Liverpool fan I've encountered views it as a problem area. Clyne's disappeared, Flanagan's being locked up, and their only other options there are Gomez, Moreno and Alexander-Arnold, none of which are exactly shining. Milner was basically a full back for them last season.

The mentioning of Wijnaldum and Can was odd too, because Wijnaldum is regularly criticised by 'pool fans for going AWOL and they're all washing their hands of Can.

 

[Thisistheone]

I've never seen Keita play but I find it unlikely he'll fill the creative void (to the extent) left by Coutinho, I also find it unlikely he'll be the shield that helps protect the back 4. Then there's the fact that it seems like he'll just be a like for like replacement for Cann who is currently Liverpool's best central midfielder

From the little I've seen he's an all-action attacking midfielder. Great at dribbling and beating a man. He appears to be miles ahead of what they now have in that regards.

You're right in that it won't help their back 4. They'll still need to play (assuming Can is off)

-------Henderson
---------Ox -- Keita
Salah---Firmino---Mane

I think the balance of the team will be so different they'll have to play a different way. LPool don't have a specialist DM which is a big factor in a) why they are usually great going forward b) sporadically awful in defense. They could sign the best back 4 in the world but without a DM I think you'll always leak goals in the Prem + strong defenses win the league.

The problem now is if they do transition to having a specialist DM, no matter how dynamic Keita is, it places more emphasis on their attacking players to create. I think they have a good group but it will be harder to isolate defenders one on one (you would assume they'll have one extra body back/one less forward) and defenses will sit deeper next season as everyone knows Salah's danger. Coutinho was one of those rare players who scored a good number of goals and assists so replacing him will be ultra important.

I haven't seen Liverpool linked with a DM so just assuming Klopp will continue with the current system. And Keita will take Can's spot.

 

[Xaviesta]

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[Coxy]

But look at the part where he says the fullbacks have done well, only a liverpool supporter would praise their defence.

Ah sorry missed that part!

 

[Coxy]

Where would Firminho fit? On this seasons form Mane wouldn't get in. Salah has been great, but even then you're dropping one of Martial, Lingard or Sanchez.

I'd drop Martial or Lingard for Salah in a heartbeat. Far more goals and slightly more assists.

 

[fishfingers15]

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But liverpool would have conceded one more if they have played 10 mins more

 

[RedRom]

I'd drop Martial or Lingard for Salah in a heartbeat. Far more goals and slightly more assists.

Not for me, Martial and Lingard both suit our style far better, and both I think are better players, me thinks Coutinho had a big hand in most of Salah's stats this season, I will be very interested in seeing quite how he goes along in the rest of the season without Coutinho to help him out.

 

[Grylte]

What the...?
Did he actually say they "needed to play 10 minutes longer"?
Didn't watch the match, was there any injuries, or anything special that happened?

 

[AltiUn]

What the...?
Did he actually say they "needed to play 10 minutes longer"?
Didn't watch the match, was there any injuries, or anything special that happened?

There was a lot of time dedicated to VAR, highly doubt it was 10 minutes worth though. West Brom would've probably scored another if they'd played for another 10 minutes.

 

[IAmAWinner]

Not for me, Martial and Lingard both suit our style far better, and both I think are better players, me thinks Coutinho had a big hand in most of Salah's stats this season, I will be very interested in seeing quite how he goes along in the rest of the season without Coutinho to help him out.

Controversial statement to say the least. Salah is exactly the player that our right wing is missing. Goals+Assists+Pace
Martial and Lingard have been good this season, but Salah has been a level above imo.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Seems Klopp is going to be relying heavily on Keita coming in and transforming the team. Almost to the point of Keita or bust.

If he flops (even if it seems unlikely it is possible) then Liverpool could be in big trouble next season.

Does it really seem that unlikely?

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

Not for me, Martial and Lingard both suit our style far better, and both I think are better players, me thinks Coutinho had a big hand in most of Salah's stats this season, I will be very interested in seeing quite how he goes along in the rest of the season without Coutinho to help him out.

Oh come on. I don't even rate Salah that highly and I like Lingard a lot but there's no way Lingard's the better player. Martial is more talented for sure but his production isn't at Salah's level this season (we'll see how Salah's insane form holds up). Although I think he benefits a lot from Klopp's system, Salah would still be great for us. We have noone with his skillset down the right currently, although Sanchez could very well be there

 

[RedRom]

Controversial statement to say the least. Salah is exactly the player that our right wing is missing. Goals+Assists+Pace
Martial and Lingard have been good this season, but Salah has been a level above imo.

We have Sanchez that can play on the right if necessary, and he is also a far better player than Salah, so again I don't see where Salah gets into our team other than on the bench at best.
Lingard and Martial are far better players, and as said previously, Salah was made to look better than he is, by having Coutinho next to him, lets see how he does without him there, the signs in games against Swansea and West Brom so far do not look too good.

So I would not have him anywhere near our club, especially not when we already have superior players.

Edit: @ValenciasDrilledCrosses
Lets see how the rest of the season pans out, to me his game relied a heck of a lot on Coutinho's, and without him there, I have a feeling we will see a decline in his numbers both goals and assists.

Martial and Lingard are both great players in their own right, and are showing that this season, no way would I drop either for Salah.

 

[charlenefan]

We have Sanchez that can play on the right if necessary, and he is also a far better player than Salah, so again I don't see where Salah gets into our team other than on the bench at best.
Lingard and Martial are far better players, and as said previously, Salah was made to look better than he is, by having Coutinho next to him, lets see how he does without him there, the signs in games against Swansea and West Brom so far do not look too good.

So I would not have him anywhere near our club, especially not when we already have superior players.

Fecking hell, you're the type of poster that will have the likes of RAWK in stitches and give us all a bad name

 

[RedRom]

Fecking hell, you're the type of poster that will have the likes of RAWK in stitches and give us all a bad name

Why so?? Because we have better players, and I am not willing to include a player who has had a good start to the season, but who has dramatically declined since Coutinho left??

Again lets wait and see how the rest of the season pans out without Coutinho there, if his numbers are steady then fair enough, he will have proved that he is indeed a very capable player who didn't need Coutinho to make him look good, but if they don't........well then my point doesn't need adding to.

 

[charlenefan]

Why so?? Because we have better players, and I am not willing to include a player who has had a good start to the season, but who has dramatically declined since Coutinho left??

Again lets wait and see how the rest of the season pans out without Coutinho there, if his numbers are steady then fair enough, he will have proved that he is indeed a very capable player who didn't need Coutinho to make him look good, but if they don't........well then my point doesn't need adding to.

Salah has scored twice in the 3 games since Coutinho left, hardly a decline is it

The fact you said you wouldn't have him anywhere near our club is just stupid

 

[Thisistheone]

Does it really seem that unlikely?

Well he looks the business. But then so did Mkhitaryan & Kagawa. So I take your point.

 

[IAmAWinner]

Why so?? Because we have better players, and I am not willing to include a player who has had a good start to the season, but who has dramatically declined since Coutinho left??

Again lets wait and see how the rest of the season pans out without Coutinho there, if his numbers are steady then fair enough, he will have proved that he is indeed a very capable player who didn't need Coutinho to make him look good, but if they don't........well then my point doesn't need adding to.

Salah already had a couple of class seasons at Roma where he didn't have Coutinho though. It's ridiculous to think he wouldn't be a starter for us. He's miles better than Lingard. Martial-Sanchez-Salah-Lukaku would be a superb attacking line..

 

[RedRom]

Salah has scored twice in the 3 games since Coutinho left, hardly a decline is it

The fact you said you wouldn't have him anywhere near our club is just stupid

I only have a few posts left today so this will be my last on this so as to save some for later if needs be, but what did he do against Swansea's amazing defence, when Liverpool needed a big player to step up he well blazed a shot well over the bar and didn't do much else.

He is clearly a talented chap, it is just that we have more talented players, there is nothing wrong with saying such things.

In the decisive and tight games, that is when you need your big players to do well, look at Lingard away at Arsenal for example, he stepped up big time there, until Salah does such things without Coutinho, then we can talk about him possibly being good enough and consistent enough in these tight games to come to us.

Edit: @IAmAWinner

He did well at Roma, and fair play to him on that, however we have yet to see if he can continue that sort of high performance level at Liverpool without Coutinho in close games where you need your big important players to stand up and do something important.

All of the goalscoring and assist burdens will now be fully on his shoulders, lets see how he handles it.

For me I am still sticking by Lingard and Martial, they have shown that they are excellent players when called upon to do so in games when we needed them most.


Edit 2: @mav_9me

You say that Salah is among the players of the season, and fair enough there, but also could a case not be put forward or made that Lingard is also in that kind of category?

He has done very well for us, and I think has gone somewhat underappreciated in this sense.

Edit: @charlenefan

You could ask where was Salah in the games where Liverpool dropped points and gone out of cup competitions?

Of course players will not do well all of the time, that is obvious, however in the games where we have needed them (just look at Burnley away recently) they have been there more often for us, then I would say Salah has been for them.

Again he is a talented chap, no one is saying otherwise, however there isn't anything wrong with saying that we just have more talented players at this moment in time.

 

[mav_9me]

Salah already had a couple of class seasons at Roma where he didn't have Coutinho though. It's ridiculous to think he wouldn't be a starter for us. He's miles better than Lingard. Martial-Sanchez-Salah-Lukaku would be a superb attacking line..

Sanchez might be the most proven player of them all but Salah is clearly among the players of the season right now.

Hilarious to suggest Lingard is better than Salah. Even in this red hot form, he is not better than Salah, forget about how he would be when his form tails off.

 

[charlenefan]

For me I am still sticking by Lingard and Martial, they have shown that they are excellent players when called upon to do so in games when we needed them most.

where were Martial and Lingard when we needed a goal against Huddersfield?
where were Martial and Lingard when we needed a goal against Southampton?

If you want to crucify Salah for not scoring in one game against Swansea use your own argument against our players as well, not even Messi and Ronaldo can rescue their sides every week

You're literally mental

 

[Liver_bird]

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

Shocking.

 

[Donk87]

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

Shocking.

That you're the 4th biggest spenders of the last 5 years?

 

[Sassy Colin]

I like laughing at Liverpool as much as the next man, but you can't possibly argue that West Brom (2nd from bottom) are, somehow, better than, or the equal of, Liverpool in 4th.

 

[Sassy Colin]

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/pre...tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

Shocking.

I don't get it, Liverpool have spent £471M, but Southampton have only sold £285M.

 

[Liver_bird]

That you're the 4th biggest spenders of the last 5 years?

Yes because that's the primary objective of that table.
The problem is we are constantly replacing and rebuilding rather than adding quality to what we already have, it's why we're stuck in this perpetual cycle of winning nothing.
Does anyone think any Liverpool fan is happy about being outspent by the likes of Bournemouth, nobody wants to win the net spend trophy.
We cannot afford to keep weakening ourselves and yet we always do.

 

[Liver_bird]

I don't get it, Liverpool have spent £471M, but Southampton have only sold £285M.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Yes because that's the primary objective of that table.
The problem is we are constantly replacing and rebuilding rather than adding quality to what we already have, it's why we're stuck in this perpetual cycle of winning nothing.
Does anyone think any Liverpool fan is happy about being outspent by the likes of Bournemouth, nobody wants to win the net spend trophy.
We cannot afford to keep weakening ourselves and yet we always do.

There well up for it over on RAWK, tbf

 

[Liver_bird]

There well up for it over on RAWK, tbf

The same place that spun Charlie Adam and Fabio Borini as good signings

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

I only have a few posts left today so this will be my last on this so as to save some for later if needs be, but what did he do against Swansea's amazing defence, when Liverpool needed a big player to step up he well blazed a shot well over the bar and didn't do much else.

He is clearly a talented chap, it is just that we have more talented players, there is nothing wrong with saying such things.

In the decisive and tight games, that is when you need your big players to do well, look at Lingard away at Arsenal for example, he stepped up big time there, until Salah does such things without Coutinho, then we can talk about him possibly being good enough and consistent enough in these tight games to come to us.

Such poor logic, since we drew against Southampton and Stoke or lost against Huddersfield while missing chances can our attackers not perform under pressure as well? Of course we have talented players, but there is nothing wrong with admitting Salah is better than some of them and would improve our team

 

[cyberman]

I'm still not sure about Salah, I'd prefer a Martial / Sanchez who opens up games and defences rather than a goalscorer who needs service to succeed.
In a Liverpool side without a recognised striker I would choose Salah but do we want Martial suffering down the left when Salah needs constant service to negate his wastefullness?
This time last year it was Mane who was the answer to all of our prayers

 

[shaky]

That you're the 4th biggest spenders of the last 5 years?

So we've spent an average of under £30m a season more than Liverpool in the past 5 years? Not that much really. The only other real difference is that they raked in £200m from selling Coutinho and Suarez. It's not like we haven't had plenty of crucial players to replace, Rooney, RVP, Evra, Vidic, Rio etc, only we didn't have any cash-in value on them.

 

[Donk87]

Yes because that's the primary objective of that table.
The problem is we are constantly replacing and rebuilding rather than adding quality to what we already have, it's why we're stuck in this perpetual cycle of winning nothing.
Does anyone think any Liverpool fan is happy about being outspent by the likes of Bournemouth, nobody wants to win the net spend trophy.
We cannot afford to keep weakening ourselves and yet we always do.

You haven't been outspent by Bournemouth. According to that table you've spent around 380m more than them.

Prior to this window that table would look very different (you'd be around 6th) just as it will next summer when the 60 odd million for Keita is added on (6th or 7th).

I know RAWK is obsessing over this at the moment but your net spend is distorted by the incredible figures you receive for your star players. Something like 60% of the money you've brought in has come from 3 players alone.

It's not as if you guys are paupers in the market, only spending what you earn in player sales. There's been huge investment in your team however you're fortunate that those tasked with negotiating outgoings on your behalf are bloody good at their jobs!

 

[el3mel]

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Great list of excuses that.

 

[Klopper76]

No it isn't, Ben Foster is better than either of their goalkeeper options, then you look at the defence options, and Evans/Gibbs are very much better in their respective positions than what Liverpool have already.
Then the options that West Brom have in midfield with Brunt/McClean/Burke/Krychowiak/Barry are still better than what Liverpool have respectively in similar positions to them.

It really is just Salah/Firmino/Mane that means that they are doing anything at all decent.

Without Coutinho, I have no clue where their main hub of creativity is coming from? Henderson? Chamberlain? Can??

Salah cannot do it all by himself, so I can see them struggling more often in coming matches.

Wow, genuinely...wow.

 

[Ban]

What makes you so sure that helped will get them top four??
If so, who is the team missing out of Chelsea and Spurs for the other spot??

I should have added probably. I think City obviously, us and Chelsea will be top 3 teams, 4th spot will be up for grabs.

 

[giorno]

I know RAWK is obsessing over this at the moment but your net spend is distorted by the incredible figures you receive for your star players. Something like 60% of the money you've brought in has come from 3 players alone.

What kinda arse-backwards logic is that . They only received a lot because they sold their star players but that has nothing to do with them spending a lot?

 

[mav_9me]

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Great list of excuses that.

He is very much pro united.

 

[Liver_bird]

What kinda arse-backwards logic is that . They only received a lot because they sold their star players but that has nothing to do with them spending a lot?

I was going to post words to this effect but it gets tiresome repeating the same thing only for people to churn out the same argument weeks later.

 

[Drawfull]

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Great list of excuses that.

The BT Sport one is fecking ridiculous. Can imagine Jake Humphrey picking up the phone a couple of minutes before half time and telling the fourth official not to play more than 4 minutes as they have Bet365 ads to run, naow.